On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>> > Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>> >> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>> >> >>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I had to look the last one up.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>> >> >> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>> >> > early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>> >> > sources of food.
>> >>
>> >> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>> >> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>> >> picking at a flattened rat.
>> >
>> > Rats are edible are they are.
>> > Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>
>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>> stage?
>
>That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,

But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
from one predator to another.

Eagles and condors were not sprayed with DDT, which accumulated
iin their bodies and caused deadly weakening of eggshells. The DDT
was passed from predator to predator.

I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
(chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.

--
Rich Ulrich

Op 23/04/2024 om 4:31 schreef Rich Ulrich:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander all over
>>>>>>>> the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite, Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>>>>>> sources of food.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>>>>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>
>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>
>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>> stage?
>>
>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>
> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
> from one predator to another.
>
> Eagles and condors were not sprayed with DDT, which accumulated
> iin their bodies and caused deadly weakening of eggshells. The DDT
> was passed from predator to predator.
>
> I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
> other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
> (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.

Chickens and pigs will gladly eat worms and alike.
Cows and sheep and horses will swallow whatever little beasties are in
and on their grass.
I've often wondered about the % protein input in the diet of herbivores...

--
guido wugi

In article <ml6e2j1i7smijfau0raent5e1kr0ueu7jc@4ax.com>,
rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
> I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
> other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
> (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.

!!! Every assassin knows the fastest way to dispose of
the corpse, is by throwing it into a pen of hungry pigs.

Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).

I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.

Janet

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 11:20:49 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <ml6e2j1i7smijfau0raent5e1kr0ueu7jc@4ax.com>,
>rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
>> I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
>> other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
>> (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.
>
> !!! Every assassin knows the fastest way to dispose of
>the corpse, is by throwing it into a pen of hungry pigs.

Oh! Yes, I've heard of that. I guess my head was filled
with background images of modern factory-farms. I hope
that particular diet doesn't happen often, in any case.

>
> Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
>will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
>eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).

I never realized what 'free range chicken' ought to include
a conception of a much wider diet. I started to ask, Is that
still a Thing -- so I Ngram'd: Started cllimbing in 1986 (AmE),
peaked in 2010, fell back some since then. Slightly earlier
for BrE.

>
> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
>mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
>hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
>babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
>others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
>are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.
>

--
Rich Ulrich

On 2024-04-23 15:21:21 +0000, Rich Ulrich said:

> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 11:20:49 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <ml6e2j1i7smijfau0raent5e1kr0ueu7jc@4ax.com>,
>> rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
>>> I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
>>> other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
>>> (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.
>>
>> !!! Every assassin knows the fastest way to dispose of
>> the corpse, is by throwing it into a pen of hungry pigs.
>
> Oh! Yes, I've heard of that. I guess my head was filled
> with background images of modern factory-farms. I hope
> that particular diet doesn't happen often, in any case.

Do the pigs chew up the bones? Even if they don't, it's probably much
easier to dispose of the bones than the whole corpse.
>
>>
>> Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
>> will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
>> eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).
>
> I never realized what 'free range chicken' ought to include
> a conception of a much wider diet. I started to ask, Is that
> still a Thing -- so I Ngram'd: Started cllimbing in 1986 (AmE),
> peaked in 2010, fell back some since then. Slightly earlier
> for BrE.
>
>>
>> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
>> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
>> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
>> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
>> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
>> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.

--
Athel cb

In article <l8q4b4F6vmcU1@mid.individual.net>,
me@yahoo.com says...
>
> On 2024-04-23 15:21:21 +0000, Rich Ulrich said:
>
> > On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 11:20:49 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <ml6e2j1i7smijfau0raent5e1kr0ueu7jc@4ax.com>,
> >> rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
> >>> I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
> >>> other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
> >>> (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.
> >>
> >> !!! Every assassin knows the fastest way to dispose of
> >> the corpse, is by throwing it into a pen of hungry pigs.
> >
> > Oh! Yes, I've heard of that. I guess my head was filled
> > with background images of modern factory-farms. I hope
> > that particular diet doesn't happen often, in any case.
>
> Do the pigs chew up the bones? Even if they don't, it's probably much
> easier to dispose of the bones than the whole corpse.

Yes they can easily grind up bones. Pigs have really
powerful jaws ( try not to get bitten by one) with a full
set of teeth, incisors ar the front, then canines, and a
large array of molars at the back for grinding.

In my rural youth, a local pig farmer used to collect
the bones from butcher shops and all the kitchen food
waste from schools (including ours),to feed his pigs. The
stench of his truck arrived ahead of him and hung in the
air long after he left.

Janet
> >> Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
> >> will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
> >> eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).
> >
> > I never realized what 'free range chicken' ought to include
> > a conception of a much wider diet. I started to ask, Is that
> > still a Thing -- so I Ngram'd: Started cllimbing in 1986 (AmE),
> > peaked in 2010, fell back some since then. Slightly earlier
> > for BrE.
> >
> >>
> >> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
> >> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
> >> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
> >> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
> >> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
> >> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.

Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
> >Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>
> >> > Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
> >> >> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
> >> >> >>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
> >> >> >>> Crow-eater, ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I had to look the last one up.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
> >> >> >> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
> >> >> > early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
> >> >> > sources of food.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
> >> >> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
> >> >> picking at a flattened rat.
> >> >
> >> > Rats are edible are they are.
> >> > Why would recycled rat be less edible?
> >>
> >> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
> >> stage?
> >
> >That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>
> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
> from one predator to another.

There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
All accumulating poisons are man-made.

But I don't really know.
Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.

Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
like livers and kidneys,

Jan

Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

> In article <ml6e2j1i7smijfau0raent5e1kr0ueu7jc@4ax.com>,
> rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
> > I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
> > other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
> > (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.
>
> !!! Every assassin knows the fastest way to dispose of
> the corpse, is by throwing it into a pen of hungry pigs.

At least authors of detective stories know that.
I think there is one in which in the end
the villain is thrown before his own hogs.

> Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
> will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
> eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).

They have to get their salts and calcium from somewhere.

> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.

Well, yes, but but those birds are not supposed
to be vegetarians to begin with,

Jan

On 23/04/2024 22:34, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>> Lodder) wrote:
>>
>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>>>>>>>>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>>>>>>>>> Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>>>>>>> sources of food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>>>>>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>>> stage?
>>>
>>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>
>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>> from one predator to another.
>
> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>
> But I don't really know.
> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.

That's certainly a thing with some insects -- monarch butterflies, for
example, or oleander aphids -- that accumulate poisons from their food
plants and in turn become toxic to potential predators.

>
> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
> like livers and kidneys,
>
> Jan
>

--
Phil B

On 2024-04-23 21:34:16 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> [ … ]
>>
>> Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
>> will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
>> eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).
>
There is a very impressive video out there somewhere (sorry, I can't
rember where) that shows a cat playing with a mouse (the way cats do
when they're not hungry and just want some amusement). When the cat
pauses for moment a hen walks quickly by and grabs the mouse before the
cat can stop it.

--
Athel cb

Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> There is a very impressive video out there somewhere (sorry, I can't
> rember where) that shows a cat playing with a mouse (the way cats do
> when they're not hungry and just want some amusement). When the cat
> pauses for moment a hen walks quickly by and grabs the mouse before the
> cat can stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwy4X4F3mB4

I just searched for "cat mouse hen" on Youtube.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

On 2024-04-24 06:10:04 +0000, Bertel Lund Hansen said:

> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
>> There is a very impressive video out there somewhere (sorry, I can't
>> rember where) that shows a cat playing with a mouse (the way cats do
>> when they're not hungry and just want some amusement). When the cat
>> pauses for moment a hen walks quickly by and grabs the mouse before the
>> cat can stop it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwy4X4F3mB4
>
> I just searched for "cat mouse hen" on Youtube.

Yes, that's it. Thanks. One of these days I must learn how to do a search!

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 2024-04-23, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>> Lodder) wrote:
>>
>> >Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>> >> >> >>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>> >> >> >>> Crow-eater, ...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I had to look the last one up.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>> >> >> >> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>> >> >> > early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>> >> >> > sources of food.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>> >> >> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>> >> >> picking at a flattened rat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rats are edible are they are.
>> >> > Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>> >>
>> >> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>> >> stage?
>> >
>> >That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>
>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>> from one predator to another.
>
> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>
> But I don't really know.
> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.
>
> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
> like livers and kidneys,

Some naturally occurring chemicals are harmful to some types of
animals but not others.

--
I'm after rebellion: I'll settle for lies.

In article <1qshq1d.18hb5ue1pnafbfN%nospam@de-
ster.demon.nl>, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl says...
>
> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <ml6e2j1i7smijfau0raent5e1kr0ueu7jc@4ax.com>,
> > rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
> > > I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
> > > other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
> > > (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.
> >
> > !!! Every assassin knows the fastest way to dispose of
> > the corpse, is by throwing it into a pen of hungry pigs.
>
> At least authors of detective stories know that.
> I think there is one in which in the end
> the villain is thrown before his own hogs.
>
> > Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
> > will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
> > eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).
>
> They have to get their salts and calcium from somewhere.
>
> > I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
> > mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
> > hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
> > babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
> > others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
> > are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.
>
> Well, yes, but but those birds are not supposed
> to be vegetarians to begin with,

Nor are chickens and ducks.

Janet

On 2024-04-24 12:03, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-04-23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>
>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>>>>>>>>>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>>>>>>>>>> Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used, and
>>>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>>>>>>>> sources of food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>>>>>>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>>>> stage?
>>>>
>>>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>>
>>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>>> from one predator to another.
>>
>> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
>> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>>
>> But I don't really know.
>> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
>> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.
>>
>> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
>> like livers and kidneys,
>
> Some naturally occurring chemicals are harmful to some types of
> animals but not others.

I am reminded of a death in the Vancouver BC area when a man had
collected some mushrooms and fed one to his dog. The dog was fine, so
the man ingested one, and died shortly after. The news article pointed
out that many mushrooms are benign for dogs, but not for humans.

--
ANAGRAMS
A DECIMAL POINT: I'm a dot in place.
ONE PLUS TWELVE: Two plus eleven.

On 2024-04-24 13:02, Janet wrote:
> In article <1qshq1d.18hb5ue1pnafbfN%nospam@de-
> ster.demon.nl>, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl says...
>>
>> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <ml6e2j1i7smijfau0raent5e1kr0ueu7jc@4ax.com>,
>>> rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
>>>> I suppose some fish and some game-birds consume insects and
>>>> other non-vegetable matter. But the most popular meat-animals
>>>> (chickens, cows, pigs, sheep) are thoroughy vegetarian.
>>>
>>> !!! Every assassin knows the fastest way to dispose of
>>> the corpse, is by throwing it into a pen of hungry pigs.
>>
>> At least authors of detective stories know that.
>> I think there is one in which in the end
>> the villain is thrown before his own hogs.
>>
>>> Chickens (and many other birds) and pigs love meat and
>>> will gobble it down any time they get chance. Even deer
>>> eat anything (bones, frogs, baby birds).
>>
>> They have to get their salts and calcium from somewhere.
>>
>>> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
>>> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
>>> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
>>> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
>>> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
>>> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.
>>
>> Well, yes, but but those birds are not supposed
>> to be vegetarians to begin with,
>
> Nor are chickens and ducks.

Add any other bird to that.
I was quite surprised to find out that even hummingbirds are not vegan.
They eat drosophila, and at least one hummingbird feeder takes advantage
of that.

<https://www.amazon.ca/Humm-Yumm-Protein-Nectar-Hummingbird-Feeder/dp/B07J46CG3H>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u7MNhx6_sY

--
____
√ -1 2³ Σ Π
It was delicious.

Remember when lar3ryca bragged outrageously? That was Wednesday:
> On 2024-04-24 12:03, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2024-04-23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>>>>>>>>>>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>>>>>>>>>>> Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>>>>>>>>> sources of food.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>>>>>>>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>>>>> stage?
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>>>
>>>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>>>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>>>> from one predator to another.
>>>
>>> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
>>> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>>>
>>> But I don't really know.
>>> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
>>> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.
>>>
>>> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
>>> like livers and kidneys,
>>
>> Some naturally occurring chemicals are harmful to some types of
>> animals but not others.
>
> I am reminded of a death in the Vancouver BC area when a man had collected
> some mushrooms and fed one to his dog. The dog was fine, so the man ingested
> one, and died shortly after. The news article pointed out that many mushrooms
> are benign for dogs, but not for humans.

You remind me of the definition of an expert on wild mushrooms: One
who hasn't been fooled /yet/.

-d

--
"That's a good sort of hectic, innit?"

" Very much so, and I'd recommend the haggis wontons."
-njm

lar3ryca wrote:

> On 2024-04-24 13:02, Janet wrote:
>> In article <1qshq1d.18hb5ue1pnafbfN%nospam@de-
>> ster.demon.nl>, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl says...
>>>
>>> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
...

>>>> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
>>>> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
>>>> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
>>>> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
>>>> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
>>>> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.
>>>
>>> Well, yes, but but those birds are not supposed
>>> to be vegetarians to begin with,
>>
>> Nor are chickens and ducks.

> Add any other bird to that.

Almost any. There are some birds that eat animal food only
incidentally, such as the kakapo, the hoatzin, the oilbird (I
think), and closer to home for you and me, the American
Goldfinch.

> I was quite surprised to find out that even hummingbirds are not vegan.
> They eat drosophila, and at least one hummingbird feeder takes advantage
> of that.

They eat the tiny insects and spiders they find in flowers.
If you have a chance to watch one for a while, especially away
from feeders and flowerbeds, you may see it hovering and
making short darts in open air--catching flying insects.

The reason you can feed hummingbirds plain sugar water is
that they get the rest of their nutrition from arthropods.

> <https://www.amazon.ca/Humm-Yumm-Protein-Nectar-Hummingbird-Feeder/dp/B07J46CG3H>

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u7MNhx6_sY

The reviews weren't good.

--
Jerry Friedman

jerryfriedman wrote:

> lar3ryca wrote:

>> On 2024-04-24 13:02, Janet wrote:
>>> In article <1qshq1d.18hb5ue1pnafbfN%nospam@de-
>>> ster.demon.nl>, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl says...
>>>>
>>>> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> ...

>>>>> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
>>>>> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
>>>>> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
>>>>> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
>>>>> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
>>>>> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.
>>>>
>>>> Well, yes, but but those birds are not supposed
>>>> to be vegetarians to begin with,
>>>
>>> Nor are chickens and ducks.

>> Add any other bird to that.

> Almost any. There are some birds that eat animal food only
> incidentally, such as the kakapo, the hoatzin, the oilbird (I
> think),

Capitalize as desired.

> and closer to home for you and me, the American
> Goldfinch.
...

And closer to home for our European participants, the Black
Grouse.

--
Jerry Friedman

On 2024-04-25, Snidely wrote:

> Remember when lar3ryca bragged outrageously? That was Wednesday:
>> On 2024-04-24 12:03, Adam Funk wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>>>>>>>>>> sources of food.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>>>>>>>>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>>>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>>>>>> stage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>>>>
>>>>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>>>>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>>>>> from one predator to another.
>>>>
>>>> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
>>>> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>>>>
>>>> But I don't really know.
>>>> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
>>>> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.
>>>>
>>>> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
>>>> like livers and kidneys,
>>>
>>> Some naturally occurring chemicals are harmful to some types of
>>> animals but not others.
>>
>> I am reminded of a death in the Vancouver BC area when a man had collected
>> some mushrooms and fed one to his dog. The dog was fine, so the man ingested
>> one, and died shortly after. The news article pointed out that many mushrooms
>> are benign for dogs, but not for humans.

I'm not surprised: there are quite a few human foods (chocolate,
garlic, onions, &c.) that are dangerous to dogs.

> You remind me of the definition of an expert on wild mushrooms: One
> who hasn't been fooled /yet/.

Heh. I eat wild fungi occasionally but only if I've made a positive ID
with at least one good book. I don't consider myself an expert, though.

--
In the fall when plants return, by harvest time, she knows the score,
ripe and ready to the eye, but rotten somehow to the core.

On 2024-04-25, jerryfriedman wrote:

> lar3ryca wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-24 13:02, Janet wrote:
>>> In article <1qshq1d.18hb5ue1pnafbfN%nospam@de-
>>> ster.demon.nl>, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl says...
>>>>
>>>> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> ..
>
>>>>> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
>>>>> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
>>>>> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
>>>>> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
>>>>> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
>>>>> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.
>>>>
>>>> Well, yes, but but those birds are not supposed
>>>> to be vegetarians to begin with,
>>>
>>> Nor are chickens and ducks.
>
>> Add any other bird to that.
>
> Almost any. There are some birds that eat animal food only
> incidentally, such as the kakapo, the hoatzin, the oilbird (I
> think), and closer to home for you and me, the American
> Goldfinch.
>
>> I was quite surprised to find out that even hummingbirds are not vegan.
>> They eat drosophila, and at least one hummingbird feeder takes advantage
>> of that.
>
> They eat the tiny insects and spiders they find in flowers.
> If you have a chance to watch one for a while, especially away
> from feeders and flowerbeds, you may see it hovering and
> making short darts in open air--catching flying insects.
>
> The reason you can feed hummingbirds plain sugar water is
> that they get the rest of their nutrition from arthropods.

It turns out that tomatoes are carnivorous, just in a much more subtle
way than Venus flytraps. Tomato plants have sticky hairs that trap
small insects, which later fall to the ground dead & fertilize the
plants: "passive carnivores".

--
Our function calls do not have parameters: they have
arguments, and they always win them.
---Klingon Programmer's Guide

Adam Funk suggested that ...
> On 2024-04-25, Snidely wrote:
>
>> Remember when lar3ryca bragged outrageously? That was Wednesday:
>>> On 2024-04-24 12:03, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find
>>>>>>>>>>> new sources of food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff
>>>>>>>>>> they eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>>>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>>>>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>>>>>>> stage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>>>>>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>>>>>> from one predator to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
>>>>> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I don't really know.
>>>>> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
>>>>> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
>>>>> like livers and kidneys,
>>>>
>>>> Some naturally occurring chemicals are harmful to some types of
>>>> animals but not others.
>>>
>>> I am reminded of a death in the Vancouver BC area when a man had collected
>>> some mushrooms and fed one to his dog. The dog was fine, so the man
>>> ingested one, and died shortly after. The news article pointed out that
>>> many mushrooms are benign for dogs, but not for humans.
>
> I'm not surprised: there are quite a few human foods (chocolate,
> garlic, onions, &c.) that are dangerous to dogs.
>
>
>> You remind me of the definition of an expert on wild mushrooms: One
>> who hasn't been fooled /yet/.
>
> Heh. I eat wild fungi occasionally but only if I've made a positive ID
> with at least one good book. I don't consider myself an expert, though.

Apparently there are some fungi that match the "good" pictures but
aren't "good".

/dps

--
"I'm glad unicorns don't ever need upgrades."
"We are as up as it is possible to get graded!"
_Phoebe and Her Unicorn_, 2016.05.15

On 26-Apr-24 0:25, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-04-25, jerryfriedman wrote:
>
>> lar3ryca wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-04-24 13:02, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article <1qshq1d.18hb5ue1pnafbfN%nospam@de-
>>>> ster.demon.nl>, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>> ..
>>
>>>>>> I've seen our chickens have a feeding frenzy among a
>>>>>> mass migration of toads and frogs; they are merciless
>>>>>> hunters of fieldmice nests to eat the helpless blind
>>>>>> babies. I've seen hen pheasants steal kill and eat each
>>>>>> others chicks. Right now the crows, seagulls and herons
>>>>>> are scoffing scores of newly hatched baby ducklings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, yes, but but those birds are not supposed
>>>>> to be vegetarians to begin with,
>>>>
>>>> Nor are chickens and ducks.
>>
>>> Add any other bird to that.
>>
>> Almost any. There are some birds that eat animal food only
>> incidentally, such as the kakapo, the hoatzin, the oilbird (I
>> think), and closer to home for you and me, the American
>> Goldfinch.
>>
>>> I was quite surprised to find out that even hummingbirds are not vegan.
>>> They eat drosophila, and at least one hummingbird feeder takes advantage
>>> of that.
>>
>> They eat the tiny insects and spiders they find in flowers.
>> If you have a chance to watch one for a while, especially away
>> from feeders and flowerbeds, you may see it hovering and
>> making short darts in open air--catching flying insects.
>>
>> The reason you can feed hummingbirds plain sugar water is
>> that they get the rest of their nutrition from arthropods.
>
> It turns out that tomatoes are carnivorous, just in a much more subtle
> way than Venus flytraps. Tomato plants have sticky hairs that trap
> small insects, which later fall to the ground dead & fertilize the
> plants: "passive carnivores".

Not to be confused with those other passive carnivores - couch potatoes.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2024-04-25 23:22:30 +0000, Adam Funk said:

> On 2024-04-25, Snidely wrote:
>
>> Remember when lar3ryca bragged outrageously? That was Wednesday:
>>> On 2024-04-24 12:03, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>>>>>>>>>>> sources of food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>>>>>>>>>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>>>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>>>>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>>>>>>> stage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>>>>>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>>>>>> from one predator to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
>>>>> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I don't really know.
>>>>> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
>>>>> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
>>>>> like livers and kidneys,
>>>>
>>>> Some naturally occurring chemicals are harmful to some types of
>>>> animals but not others.
>>>
>>> I am reminded of a death in the Vancouver BC area when a man had collected
>>> some mushrooms and fed one to his dog. The dog was fine, so the man ingested
>>> one, and died shortly after. The news article pointed out that many mushrooms
>>> are benign for dogs, but not for humans.
>
> I'm not surprised: there are quite a few human foods (chocolate,
> garlic, onions, &c.) that are dangerous to dogs.

I dose of aspirin (kg/kg, of course) that would have no effect on a
human headache, is enough to kill a cat.
>
>> You remind me of the definition of an expert on wild mushrooms: One
>> who hasn't been fooled /yet/.
>
> Heh. I eat wild fungi occasionally but only if I've made a positive ID
> with at least one good book. I don't consider myself an expert, though.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 2024-04-25 23:22:30 +0000, Adam Funk said:

> On 2024-04-25, Snidely wrote:
>
>> Remember when lar3ryca bragged outrageously? That was Wednesday:
>>> On 2024-04-24 12:03, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>> On 2024-04-23, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 23:25:54 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/04/24 22:09, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-04-15, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once you bring city names into the picture, the endings wander
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all over the shop. Australia has Sydneysider, Melbournite,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Crow-eater, ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to look the last one up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Crow-eaters' for South Australians is still commonly used,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> refers to the magpie on the coat of arms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's one theory. Another is that there was a food shortage in the
>>>>>>>>>>> early days of white settlement, and the new settlers had to find new
>>>>>>>>>>> sources of food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think crows are pretty cool, but considering some of the stuff they
>>>>>>>>>> eat [1] I doubt they taste good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1] A few weeks ago while biking to work I had to go around a crow
>>>>>>>>>> picking at a flattened rat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rats are edible are they are.
>>>>>>>>> Why would recycled rat be less edible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe meat is like plastic --- the quality degrades at each recycling
>>>>>>>> stage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not what my biology textbooks tell me,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But your biology textbooks ought to mention that some poisons
>>>>>> become more concentrated as they are passed up the food chain,
>>>>>> from one predator to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no accumulating poisons in my biology textbook.
>>>>> All accumulating poisons are man-made.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I don't really know.
>>>>> Perhaps, if you force-feed a chicken on a diet of poisonous mushrooms
>>>>> or something like that its muscle may become poisonous too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess not though, those biological poisons work by taking out organs
>>>>> like livers and kidneys,
>>>>
>>>> Some naturally occurring chemicals are harmful to some types of
>>>> animals but not others.
>>>
>>> I am reminded of a death in the Vancouver BC area when a man had collected
>>> some mushrooms and fed one to his dog. The dog was fine, so the man ingested
>>> one, and died shortly after. The news article pointed out that many mushrooms
>>> are benign for dogs, but not for humans.
>
> I'm not surprised: there are quite a few human foods (chocolate,
> garlic, onions, &c.) that are dangerous to dogs.
>
>
>> You remind me of the definition of an expert on wild mushrooms: One
>> who hasn't been fooled /yet/.
>
> Heh. I eat wild fungi occasionally but only if I've made a positive ID
> with at least one good book. I don't consider myself an expert, though.

In France pharmacists are required to know enough about fungi to be
able to give expert advice to customers.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.