Steve Hayes:

> A while back I was puzzled when a cousin of mine talked
> about "earls" in an inappropriate context, and it took me
> a while to realise she was treating "URL" as an acronym.

And I am not puzzled, but outright annoyed by this
malacroymisation. One of my ill-time favourites is
pronouncing `SQL' as `sequel'. The sequel to what? SQL is
no longer the Structured English QUEry Language.

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lar3ryca:

> For the linuxers out there, do you pronounce the file
> 'cshrc' as

What, is `linuxoid' considered harmful?

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lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> writes:
> On 2024-04-03 06:05, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> A while back I was puzzled when a cousin of mine talked about "earls"
>> in an inappropriate context, and it took me a while to realise she was
>> treating "URL" as an acronym.
>>
>> I ran a poll on Twitter to see if anyone else did that, and 100% said
>> they pronounced URL as "you are ell".
>>
>> So I wonder if anyone else has ever heard the "earl" pronunciation, or
>> if it was just my cousin's idiolect.
>>
>> Another instance was a man I met who pronounced "UFOs" as "you foes".
>>
>> I'm running a poll in Twitter and Mastodon on that too, but I wonder
>> if anyone here has heard that pronounciation.
>
> For the linuxers out there, do you pronounce the file 'cshrc' as
> 'cashrock' or 'seashark'?

As someone who's only ever used cshrc on SunOS and Solaris, that's
a not-as-well-aimed-as-it-could-have-been question. There's more to
Unix than just Linux.

When I did have to refer to it (well over 30 years ago) I, and everyone
around me used the former, with both vowels schwaed into almost
nothingness. Anyone know any czechs, I guess they'd have a pretty good
grip on pronouncing such clusters.

I'm somewhat perturbed by the latter. You've broken it in a completely
illogical place. It's the csh's rc, not the c's shrc. Anyone pronouncing
it way I would consider some kind of poorly trained Microsoft spy.
How does Lennart Poettering pronounce it?

Phil
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Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> writes:
> Steve Hayes:
>> A while back I was puzzled when a cousin of mine talked
>> about "earls" in an inappropriate context, and it took me
>> a while to realise she was treating "URL" as an acronym.
>
> And I am not puzzled, but outright annoyed by this
> malacroymisation. One of my ill-time favourites is
> pronouncing `SQL' as `sequel'. The sequel to what? SQL is
> no longer the Structured English QUEry Language.

But it is. It changed its acronym purely because of a trademark issue.
Just because you drop some vowels doesn't mean you need to radically
reform its pronunciation. The new pronunciation adds new vowels, there's
nothing intrinsically purer about it. It's a change for no good reason.

Phil
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Phil Carmody to Anton Shepelev:

> > And I am not puzzled, but outright annoyed by this
> > malacroymisation. One of my ill-time favourites is
> > pronouncing `SQL' as `sequel'. The sequel to what? SQL
> > is no longer the Structured English QUEry Language.
>
> But it is. It changed its acronym purely because of a
> trademark issue.

Yes, and it changed the acroym to an abbreviation.

> Just because you drop some vowels doesn't mean you need to
> radically reform its pronunciation.

This is irrelevant: nobody dropped any vowels from a word,
but rather an adjective was removed from the term, making
the previous acronym unfit to describe it. Not to mention
that it was bad to begin with, for nobody remembers the
sequel to (or improvement over) what SQL is; they say
`sequel' merely because it is less effort on the tongue.
They are not referring to any sequel! Things should be
named according to what they are, rather than to what they
supercede (cf. `Paracelsus').

Whereas, SEQL is begging to be pronounced as `sequel', but
SQL does not.

> The new pronunciation adds new vowels, there's nothing
> intrinsically purer about it. It's a change for no good
> reason.

The reason is that words should be used according to their
meaning rather than sound. For example, `SMART' in `SMART
goals' is rightly pronounced as the word `smart', for they
are: Specific, Measurable, Quantiable, Assignable, and
Realistic. In short -- smart.

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On 2024-04-04 04:52, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2024-04-04, Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-04-03 06:05, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> A while back I was puzzled when a cousin of mine talked about "earls"
>>>> in an inappropriate context, and it took me a while to realise she was
>>>> treating "URL" as an acronym.
>>>>
>>>> I ran a poll on Twitter to see if anyone else did that, and 100% said
>>>> they pronounced URL as "you are ell".
>>>>
>>>> So I wonder if anyone else has ever heard the "earl" pronunciation, or
>>>> if it was just my cousin's idiolect.
>>>>
>>>> Another instance was a man I met who pronounced "UFOs" as "you foes".
>>>>
>>>> I'm running a poll in Twitter and Mastodon on that too, but I wonder
>>>> if anyone here has heard that pronounciation.
>>>
>>> For the linuxers out there, do you pronounce the file 'cshrc' as
>>> 'cashrock' or 'seashark'?
>
> I'd probably go for 'sea-shark' or 'sea-shirk', although I normally
> use bash (cue flames).
>
>
>> Then, of course, there's fsck...
>
> For me that rhymes with "musk".

I pronounce it with no vowel, though I I have occasionally said it more
like "fisck".

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Saturday, lar3ryca murmurred ...
> On 2024-04-04 04:52, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2024-04-04, Sn!pe wrote:
>>
>>> lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-04-03 06:05, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>> A while back I was puzzled when a cousin of mine talked about "earls"
>>>>> in an inappropriate context, and it took me a while to realise she was
>>>>> treating "URL" as an acronym.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran a poll on Twitter to see if anyone else did that, and 100% said
>>>>> they pronounced URL as "you are ell".
>>>>>
>>>>> So I wonder if anyone else has ever heard the "earl" pronunciation, or
>>>>> if it was just my cousin's idiolect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another instance was a man I met who pronounced "UFOs" as "you foes".
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running a poll in Twitter and Mastodon on that too, but I wonder
>>>>> if anyone here has heard that pronounciation.
>>>>
>>>> For the linuxers out there, do you pronounce the file 'cshrc' as
>>>> 'cashrock' or 'seashark'?
>>
>> I'd probably go for 'sea-shark' or 'sea-shirk', although I normally
>> use bash (cue flames).
>>
>>
>>> Then, of course, there's fsck...
>>
>> For me that rhymes with "musk".
>
> I pronounce it with no vowel, though I I have occasionally said it more like
> "fisck".

Does noone do fizzcheck?

-d

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