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`* Re: "Architecture is a book written in stone"Jerry Friedman
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 by: occam - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 09:25 UTC

I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
"Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.

It got me thinking of alternatives:

"Films are books written in images"
"Paintings are books written in canvas"
"Poetry is a song written in words"
etc..

Also, on the flip side:
"Political speeches are books written in lies"
"politicians' promises are visions painted in thin air"

<end of ramble>

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 by: Hibou - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:45 UTC

Le 01/02/2024 à 09:25, occam a écrit :
> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
>
> It got me thinking of alternatives:
>
> "Films are books written in images"
> "Paintings are books written in canvas"
> "Poetry is a song written in words"
> etc..
>
> Also, on the flip side:
> "Political speeches are books written in lies"
> "politicians' promises are visions painted in thin air"

Tonsures are crop circles cut in thin hair.

> <end of ramble>

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 19:31 UTC

On 01-Feb-24 11:45, Hibou wrote:

> Tonsures are crop circles cut in thin hair.

Oh Bravo!

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 21:45 UTC

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:55 AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
....

Goethe called architecture "frozen music".

https://books.google.com/books?id=L5cMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA26

and

https://www.bard.edu/library/pdfs/Goethe_Maximen.pdf

page 98.

Other formulations and other attributions are available.

Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture"?

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Paul Wolff - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 23:22 UTC

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, at 13:45:41, Jerry Friedman posted:
>On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:550 >> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
>> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
>...
John Ruskin wrote /The Stones of Venice/ on the subject of, guess what,
the architecture of that city.

I don't judge how profound Ruskin was, but he certainly had an
authoritative reputation. There again, his being an author, how could it
be otherwise?
>
>Goethe called architecture "frozen music".
>
>https://books.google.com/books?id=L5cMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA26
>
>and
>
>https://www.bard.edu/library/pdfs/Goethe_Maximen.pdf
>
>page 98.
>
>Other formulations and other attributions are available.
>
>Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture"?
>
Sorry, but I wasn't listening.
--
Paul W

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 2 Feb 2024 12:10 UTC

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 01/02/2024 à 09:25, occam a écrit :
> > I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
> > "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
> >
> > It got me thinking of alternatives:
> >
> > "Films are books written in images"
> > "Paintings are books written in canvas"
> > "Poetry is a song written in words"
> > etc..
> >
> > Also, on the flip side:
> > "Political speeches are books written in lies"
> > "politicians' promises are visions painted in thin air"
>
> Tonsures are crop circles cut in thin hair.

And halos are...?

Jan

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 by: Hibou - Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:11 UTC

Le 02/02/2024 à 12:10, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>> Le 01/02/2024 à 09:25, occam a écrit :
>>>
>>> Also, on the flip side:
>>> "Political speeches are books written in lies"
>>> "politicians' promises are visions painted in thin air"
>>
>> Tonsures are crop circles cut in thin hair.
>
> And halos are...?

Flying saucers, possibly.

As Danny so wisely remarked in 'Withnail and I': "Hairs are your
aerials. They pick up signals from the cosmos, and transmit them
directly into the brain. This is the reason bald-headed men are uptight."

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:55 UTC

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 02/02/2024 à 12:10, J. J. Lodder a écrit :
> > Hibou wrote:
> >> Le 01/02/2024 à 09:25, occam a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> Also, on the flip side:
> >>> "Political speeches are books written in lies"
> >>> "politicians' promises are visions painted in thin air"
> >>
> >> Tonsures are crop circles cut in thin hair.
> >
> > And halos are...?
>
> Flying saucers, possibly.
>
> As Danny so wisely remarked in 'Withnail and I': "Hairs are your
> aerials. They pick up signals from the cosmos, and transmit them
> directly into the brain. This is the reason bald-headed men are uptight."

But they broadcast testosteron back to the universe,

Jan

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 2 Feb 2024 18:49 UTC

On 02-Feb-24 12:10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Le 01/02/2024 à 09:25, occam a écrit :
>>> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
>>> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
>>>
>>> It got me thinking of alternatives:
>>>
>>> "Films are books written in images"
>>> "Paintings are books written in canvas"
>>> "Poetry is a song written in words"
>>> etc..
>>>
>>> Also, on the flip side:
>>> "Political speeches are books written in lies"
>>> "politicians' promises are visions painted in thin air"
>>
>> Tonsures are crop circles cut in thin hair.
>
> And halos are...?

Tonsures on unexpectedly short people.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: occam - Sat, 3 Feb 2024 16:25 UTC

On 01/02/2024 22:45, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:55 AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
>> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
>> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
> ...
>
> Goethe called architecture "frozen music".
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=L5cMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA26
>
> and
>
> https://www.bard.edu/library/pdfs/Goethe_Maximen.pdf
>
> page 98.
>
> Other formulations and other attributions are available.
>
> Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture"?
>

Wiki says:

"The origins of the quote have never been verified."

It then continues to propose 3-4 potential candidates.

Do you have an authoritative source?

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From: nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
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Subject: Re: "Architecture is a book written in stone"
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 by: J. J. Lodder - Sat, 3 Feb 2024 21:04 UTC

occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

> On 01/02/2024 22:45, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:55?AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> >> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
> >> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
> > ...
> >
> > Goethe called architecture "frozen music".
> >
> > https://books.google.com/books?id=L5cMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA26
> >
> > and
> >
> > https://www.bard.edu/library/pdfs/Goethe_Maximen.pdf
> >
> > page 98.
> >
> > Other formulations and other attributions are available.
> >
> > Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about
> > architecture"?
> >
>
> Wiki says:
>
> "The origins of the quote have never been verified."
>
> It then continues to propose 3-4 potential candidates.
>
> Do you have an authoritative source?

Whoever, all this is hardly original,
after Kepler's 'The Music of the Spheres'.
(inspired on Pythagoras, probably)

Jan

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sun, 4 Feb 2024 01:15 UTC

On 03-Feb-24 21:04, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
>> On 01/02/2024 22:45, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:55?AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
>>>> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
>>>> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Goethe called architecture "frozen music".
>>>
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=L5cMAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA26
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://www.bard.edu/library/pdfs/Goethe_Maximen.pdf
>>>
>>> page 98.
>>>
>>> Other formulations and other attributions are available.
>>>
>>> Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about
>>> architecture"?
>>>
>>
>> Wiki says:
>>
>> "The origins of the quote have never been verified."
>>
>> It then continues to propose 3-4 potential candidates.
>>
>> Do you have an authoritative source?
>
> Whoever, all this is hardly original,
> after Kepler's 'The Music of the Spheres'.
> (inspired on Pythagoras, probably)

Surely that would have been Music of the Triangles?

<ting ting>

--
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 by: Jerry Friedman - Mon, 5 Feb 2024 14:18 UTC

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 9:25:59 AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> On 01/02/2024 22:45, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:55 AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> >> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
> >> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
> > ...
> >
> > Goethe called architecture "frozen music".
....

> > Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture"?
> >
> Wiki says:
>
> "The origins of the quote have never been verified."
>
> It then continues to propose 3-4 potential candidates.
>
> Do you have an authoritative source?

Nope.

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Mon, 5 Feb 2024 14:27 UTC

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 2:04:58 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> occam <oc...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
> > On 01/02/2024 22:45, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:55?AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> > >> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
> > >> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Goethe called architecture "frozen music".
....

> > > Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about
> > > architecture"?
> > >
> >
> > Wiki says:
> >
> > "The origins of the quote have never been verified."
....

> Whoever, all this is hardly original,
> after Kepler's 'The Music of the Spheres'.

If the music of the spheres inspired any of it, /The Merchant of
Venice/ is a much more likely source for English-speakers than
Kepler.

> (inspired on Pythagoras, probably)

Very probably--via Plato, Aristotle, etc, according to Wikipedia.

(It's "inspired by".)

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Mon, 5 Feb 2024 22:02 UTC

Jerry Friedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 2:04:58?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > occam <oc...@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> >
> > > On 01/02/2024 22:45, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:25:55?AM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> > > >> I was watching an excellent TED talk yesterday. The statement
> > > >> "Architecture is a book written in stone" struck me as profound.
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Goethe called architecture "frozen music".
> ...
>
> > > > Next: Who first said "Writing about music is like dancing about
> > > > architecture"?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Wiki says:
> > >
> > > "The origins of the quote have never been verified."
> ...
>
> > Whoever, all this is hardly original,
> > after Kepler's 'The Music of the Spheres'.
>
> If the music of the spheres inspired any of it, /The Merchant of
> Venice/ is a much more likely source for English-speakers than
> Kepler.

Possibly. Anyway, the Renaissance brought a Platonist revival,
with renewed emphasis on the harmony of the cosmos.

> > (inspired on Pythagoras, probably)
>
> Very probably--via Plato, Aristotle, etc, according to Wikipedia.
>
> (It's "inspired by".)

Yes, I know, but...
(some words got lost)

Jan

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