'The way to a woman's heart? Forget candle-lit dinner and romantic
weekend breaks... enunciate your letter Ts!' -
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11931595/The-way-womans-heart-Enunciate-letter-Ts.html>
:

"Research by psychologists in the US shows women are much more
interested in forming long-term relationships with English-speaking men
if they pronounce the letter T properly in words such as boat, boot,
bait or but. / Those who don’t are much less likely to be seen as a
potential partner for life. [...] The theory is that clear pronunciation
is seen by some singletons as a marker for higher socio-economic status,
suggesting a better quality of life for anyone entering into a
relationship with that person."

On 08/01/24 17:02, Hibou wrote:
> 'The way to a woman's heart? Forget candle-lit dinner and romantic
> weekend breaks... enunciate your letter Ts!' -
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11931595/The-way-womans-heart-Enunciate-letter-Ts.html>
> :
>
> "Research by psychologists in the US shows women are much more
> interested in forming long-term relationships with English-speaking men
> if they pronounce the letter T properly in words such as boat, boot,
> bait or but. / Those who don’t are much less likely to be seen as a
> potential partner for life. [...] The theory is that clear pronunciation
> is seen by some singletons as a marker for higher socio-economic status,
> suggesting a better quality of life for anyone entering into a
> relationship with that person."

I'm surprised that this was a US study. As far as I know, most of the
T-droppers are in the UK.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 08/01/2024 07:27, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 08/01/24 17:02, Hibou wrote:
>> 'The way to a woman's heart? Forget candle-lit dinner and romantic
>> weekend breaks... enunciate your letter Ts!' -
>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11931595/The-way-womans-heart-Enunciate-letter-Ts.html>
>> :
>>
>> "Research by psychologists in the US shows women are much more
>> interested in forming long-term relationships with English-speaking men
>> if they pronounce the letter T properly in words such as boat, boot,
>> bait or but. / Those who don’t are much less likely to be seen as a
>> potential partner for life. [...] The theory is that clear pronunciation
>> is seen by some singletons as a marker for higher socio-economic status,
>> suggesting a better quality of life for anyone entering into a
>> relationship with that person."
>
> I'm surprised that this was a US study. As far as I know, most of the
> T-droppers are in the UK.
>

You wanna bet?

Peter Moylan wrote:

> I'm surprised that this was a US study. As far as I know, most of the
> T-droppers are in the UK.

"Innerne?" is common in USA.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> quoted:
>potential partner for life. [...] The theory is that clear pronunciation
>is seen by some singletons as a marker for higher socio-economic status,

Web (2021):

|Scientists with the American Institute of Physics say males
|who speak less clearly (or mumble) tend to be more attractive
|to the opposite sex because women see it as a sign of
|masculinity. Conversely, men find precise pronunciation
|alluring because it signifies femininity.
....
|published in The Journal of the Acoustical Society of America
....
|study co-author Dr. Daniel Stehr from the University of
|California-Irvine
....
Web (2021).

On 08/01/24 18:42, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised that this was a US study. As far as I know, most of
>> the T-droppers are in the UK.
>
> "Innerne?" is common in USA.

OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK thing.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Peter Moylan wrote:

>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>
> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK thing.

Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.

--
Bertel, Denmark

El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:

> Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>>
>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
>> thing.
>
> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.

I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
them tough.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

Paul Carmichael wrote:

> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
> them tough.

The only substantive in Danish that has to be written with upcase first
letter, is "T-shirt" - for obvious reasons.

--
Spam from 'Danish' company:
Hola First Last, hacé click en el siguiente link para activar tu cuenta

Bertel, Denmark

In article <pan$179b2$f68e10cf$a0f91420$47588df@gmail.com>,
Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:

> > Peter Moylan wrote:
> >
> >>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
> >>
> >> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
> >> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
> >> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
> >> thing.
> >
> > Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.

> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
> them tough.

those tea plantations in the Dales are responsible for the strength.

> -

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 10/01/24 23:22, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in
>> Yorkshire wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink
>> Yorkshire tea. Makes them tough.
>
> The only substantive in Danish that has to be written with upcase
> first letter, is "T-shirt" - for obvious reasons.

What about the gods? Are there no gods that deserve an upper case in
Danish? The English rule appears to be that all gods, regardless of
whether we believe in them, have proper nouns as names.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Ith it Thor that ith thriking with hith hammer
Ith it Odin with the leather on hith knee?

On 10/01/2024 14:07, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 10/01/24 23:22, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in
>>> Yorkshire wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink
>>> Yorkshire tea. Makes them tough.
>>
>> The only substantive in Danish that has to be written with upcase
>> first letter, is "T-shirt" - for obvious reasons.
>
> What about the gods? Are there no gods that deserve an upper case in
> Danish? The English rule appears to be that all gods, regardless of
> whether we believe in them, have proper nouns as names.
>

The Danes are on first-name basis with their gods. Hence, they are
capitalised by normal convention: Odin, Thor, Loki, Freya and Frigging
Hel. (Those last two are a fusion of my mind.)

On 10/01/2024 13:30, charles wrote:
> In article <pan$179b2$f68e10cf$a0f91420$47588df@gmail.com>,
> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>
>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>>>>
>>>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
>>>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
>>>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
>>>> thing.
>>>
>>> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.
>
>
>> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
>> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
>> them tough.
>
> those tea plantations in the Dales are responsible for the strength.
>
To be fair, Yorkshire tea is just an extension of the ridiculous notion
of English tea.

I dread to think what Yorkshire builder's tea is like. Can you stand a
teaspoon in it?

Peter Moylan wrote:

>> The only substantive in Danish that has to be written with upcase
>> first letter, is "T-shirt" - for obvious reasons.
>
> What about the gods? Are there no gods that deserve an upper case in
> Danish? The English rule appears to be that all gods, regardless of
> whether we believe in them, have proper nouns as names.

My mistake. All names (in a broad sense) are written with upper case. I
meant "ordinary substantives" previously. It's opposed to the German
style which, by the way, we had in Denmark before 1948.

--
Bertel, Denmark

El Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:20:39 +0100, occam escribió:

> To be fair, Yorkshire tea is just an extension of the ridiculous notion
> of English tea.

Ridiculous notion it may well be, but I like it.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

In article <l07jt8F7upiU2@mid.individual.net>,
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
> On 10/01/2024 13:30, charles wrote:
> > In article <pan$179b2$f68e10cf$a0f91420$47588df@gmail.com>,
> > Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
> >
> >>> Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
> >>>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
> >>>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
> >>>> thing.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.
> >
> >
> >> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
> >> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
> >> them tough.
> >
> > those tea plantations in the Dales are responsible for the strength.
> >
> To be fair, Yorkshire tea is just an extension of the ridiculous notion
> of English tea.

> I dread to think what Yorkshire builder's tea is like. Can you stand a
> teaspoon in it?

It's strong enough for an elephant to skate on, though.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 5:22:52 AM UTC-7, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
> > I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
> > wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
> > them tough.
> The only substantive in Danish that has to be written with upcase first
> letter, is "T-shirt" - for obvious reasons.

And yet there are Americans who write it with a lower-case t.

> --
> Spam from 'Danish' company:
> Hola First Last, hacé click en el siguiente link para activar tu cuenta

Cool, must be from Argentina or Uruguay or some parts of Central
America.

--
Jerry Friedman

El Wed, 10 Jan 2024 06:56:26 -0800, Jerry Friedman escribió:

> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 5:22:52 AM UTC-7, Bertel Lund Hansen
> wrote:
>> Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>> > I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in
>> > Yorkshire wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire
>> > tea. Makes them tough.
>> The only substantive in Danish that has to be written with upcase first
>> letter, is "T-shirt" - for obvious reasons.
>
> And yet there are Americans who write it with a lower-case t.
>
>> --
>> Spam from 'Danish' company:
>> Hola First Last, hacé click en el siguiente link para activar tu cuenta
>
> Cool, must be from Argentina or Uruguay or some parts of Central
> America.

I am ashamed to admit that I know nothing of the SA conjugations.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es

On 2024-01-10 12:00:38 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:

> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>>>
>>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
>>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
>>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
>>> thing.
>>
>> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.
>
>
> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
> wear t shirts in Winter.

I thought it was people from Newcastle who were famous for that. We
went to a meeting in Paris some years ago on a very cold day. There was
an English lad there who was wearing a T-shirt. My wife had recently
been to Newcastle for a PhD examination, and said that he was probably
from Newcastle. He was.

> It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
> them tough.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 2024-01-10 13:58:14 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:

> El Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:20:39 +0100, occam escribió:
>
>> To be fair, Yorkshire tea is just an extension of the ridiculous notion
>> of English tea.
>
> Ridiculous notion it may well be, but I like it.

Me too (but I'm not from Yorkshire).

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 10-Jan-24 12:00, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>>>
>>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
>>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
>>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
>>> thing.
>>
>> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.
>
>
> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
> them tough.

Really? They could prove it by moving to Newcastle.

Re: Yorkshire tea. It's getting to the point where it's hard to find
any other brand in supermarkets. Glengettie seems to have vanished from
the shelves.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 10-Jan-24 13:20, occam wrote:
> On 10/01/2024 13:30, charles wrote:
>> In article <pan$179b2$f68e10cf$a0f91420$47588df@gmail.com>,
>> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>>
>>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
>>>>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
>>>>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
>>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.
>>
>>
>>> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
>>> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
>>> them tough.
>>
>> those tea plantations in the Dales are responsible for the strength.
>>
> To be fair, Yorkshire tea is just an extension of the ridiculous notion
> of English tea.
>
> I dread to think what Yorkshire builder's tea is like. Can you stand a
> teaspoon in it?

Not advised. It weakens the spoon.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2024-01-10 06:00, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>>>
>>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
>>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
>>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
>>> thing.
>>
>> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.
>
>
> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
> them tough.

I never wear any other kind of shirt unless it's to attend a funeral or
wedding.

Of course, if you mean that they only wear T-shirts without anything
over them, then I will admit that whenit gets down to about -8 I will
only were just the T-shirt if I am to be outside longer than about 10
minuts.

--
Always remember that you are absolutely unique.
Just like everyone else.
—Margaret Mead

lar3ryca explained :
> On 2024-01-10 06:00, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Mon, 08 Jan 2024 13:03:10 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen escribió:
>>
>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Innerne?" is common in USA.
>>>>
>>>> OK, some AmE speakers drop a 't' in the middle of a word, including
>>>> compound words like "wanna". But do you really get 't' at the end of a
>>>> word replaced by a glo'al stop? I thought that was very much a UK
>>>> thing.
>>>
>>> Maybe the glotal stop was an exaggeration, but the final t is weak.
>>
>>
>> I hate weak tea. I only drink Yorkshire. People that live in Yorkshire
>> wear t shirts in Winter. It's because they drink Yorkshire tea. Makes
>> them tough.
>
> I never wear any other kind of shirt unless it's to attend a funeral or
> wedding.
>
> Of course, if you mean that they only wear T-shirts without anything over
> them, then I will admit that whenit gets down to about -8 I will only were
> just the T-shirt if I am to be outside longer than about 10 minuts.

Sounds like the Cheese Heads at a Packers game. Except it's war paint,
not a shirt.

/dps

--
Killing a mouse was hardly a Nobel Prize-worthy exercise, and Lawrence
went apopleptic when he learned a lousy rodent had peed away all his
precious heavy water.
_The Disappearing Spoon_, Sam Kean