<https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>

About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.

On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>
> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>

Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.

What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
charging? I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.

Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
charge some in the garage.

No thanks.

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 9:37:04 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>
> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.

Happily, I have a spare 220 line that I can use. But I'm not about to get
rid of my usable ICE vehicle just so I can have an electric. That's plain nuts.

OTOH, I might have only one car purchase left, after my 2004 Toyota Highlander
bites the dust. (Or, more likely, after my husband's 2008 FJ Cruiser dies.) It's
not as if we buy a car very frequently.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>
> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>

Mostly people that had not idea of what is needed. Yes, you need a
charger and the wiring to support it.

It will get better but there is a lot of work to be done. I'd only
consider an EV for a second car, used pretty much locally.

It will be at least 10 years to be practical for most.

Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> writes:
>On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>
>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>>
>
>Mostly people that had not idea of what is needed. Yes, you need a
>charger and the wiring to support it.
>
>It will get better but there is a lot of work to be done. I'd only
>consider an EV for a second car, used pretty much locally.
>
>It will be at least 10 years to be practical for most.

And the research cited above is based on questionnaire surveys,
which aren't particularly rigorous, so take it with a grain
of salt. A large percentage of my coworkers have electric
vehicles (Teslas and Leafs for the most part) and none of them
have traded for a gas vehicle (and for that matter, most
families with electric cars also have an suv/van for family
trips and carrying capcity).

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-021-00814-9

On 7/30/2021 10:23 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>
>>     About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in
>> favor of gas burners.  The issue was charging time. House wiring would
>> have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>>
>
> Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.
>
> What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
> charging?  I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
> this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.
>
> Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
> charge some in the garage.
>
> No thanks.

And isn't it equally "one size fits all" thinking to lump all liberals
into a single, stereotyped category? Come on man!

On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-4, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 7/30/2021 10:23 AM, Frank wrote:
> > On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> >> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
> >>
> >> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in
> >> favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would
> >> have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
> >>
> >
> > Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.
> >
> > What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
> > charging? I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
> > this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.
> >
> > Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
> > charge some in the garage.
> >
> > No thanks.
> And isn't it equally "one size fits all" thinking to lump all liberals
> into a single, stereotyped category? Come on man!

Don't worry about it. Frank can't say 2 sentences - about anything - unless
he drops a lib comment.

It's a disease. We should have pity on him but I don't want to put in the
effort.

On 7/30/2021 10:44 AM, Marilyn Manson wrote:
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-4, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 7/30/2021 10:23 AM, Frank wrote:
>>> On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>>>
>>>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in
>>>> favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would
>>>> have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.
>>>
>>> What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
>>> charging? I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
>>> this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.
>>>
>>> Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
>>> charge some in the garage.
>>>
>>> No thanks.
>> And isn't it equally "one size fits all" thinking to lump all liberals
>> into a single, stereotyped category? Come on man!

That's actually one of the weaknesses of the Democratic Party. It
represents many constituencies, with many different goals. The Repubs
march in lockstep with their donors, and do as they are told.

Will Rogers "No, I am not a member of any organized political party. I'm
a Democrat".

>
> Don't worry about it. Frank can't say 2 sentences - about anything - unless
> he drops a lib comment.
>
> It's a disease. We should have pity on him but I don't want to put in the
> effort.
>

On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:25:10 -0400, Retirednoguilt posted for all of us to
digest...

> And isn't it equally "one size fits all" thinking to lump all liberals
> into a single, stereotyped category? Come on man!
>

And isn't it equally "one size fits all" thinking to lump all conservatives
into a single, stereotyped category? Come on man!

--
Tekkie

On 7/30/2021 1:25 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 7/30/2021 10:23 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>>
>>>     About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in
>>> favor of gas burners.  The issue was charging time. House wiring
>>> would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>>>
>>
>> Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.
>>
>> What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
>> charging?  I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
>> this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.
>>
>> Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
>> charge some in the garage.
>>
>> No thanks.
>
> And isn't it equally "one size fits all" thinking to lump all liberals
> into a single, stereotyped category?  Come on man!

Certainly not all the individuals, but true as a group.

On 7/30/2021 10:36 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 9:37:04 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>
>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>
> Happily, I have a spare 220 line that I can use. But I'm not about to get
> rid of my usable ICE vehicle just so I can have an electric. That's plain nuts.
>
> OTOH, I might have only one car purchase left, after my 2004 Toyota Highlander
> bites the dust. (Or, more likely, after my husband's 2008 FJ Cruiser dies.) It's
> not as if we buy a car very frequently.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I also buy new and run until repair cost exceeds book value.
Unfortunately in the last 20 years we had one car stolen and stripped
and two wrecked. In CA you could be forced to buy electric in coming
years. It was pointed out that CA today has lots of charging stations
and even then 20% would not buy again.

Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote
> angelica...@yahoo.com wrote
>> dean...@gmail.com wrote

>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>

>>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs
>>> got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue
>>> was charging time. House wiring would have to be
>>> upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>> Happily, I have a spare 220 line that I can use.
>> But I'm not about to get rid of my usable ICE
>> vehicle just so I can have an electric. That's plain nuts.
>> OTOH, I might have only one car purchase left, after my
>> 2004 Toyota Highlander bites the dust. (Or, more likely,
>> after my husband's 2008 FJ Cruiser dies.) It's
>> not as if we buy a car very frequently.
> I also buy new and run until repair cost exceeds book value.

Book value is irrelevant. What matters is what you would
have to spend on the replacement and how likely it is that
the original will need more repair cost in the future.

> Unfortunately in the last 20 years we had one car stolen and
> stripped and two wrecked. In CA you could be forced to buy
> electric in coming years. It was pointed out that CA today has
> lots of charging stations and even then 20% would not buy again.

On 07/30/2021 08:23 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>
>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in
>> favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would
>> have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>>
>
> Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.
>
> What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
> charging? I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
> this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.
>
> Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
> charge some in the garage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4

https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210720-whyy.html

Oddly it is mostly 'right wing' sites that report on Proterra buses. One
in LA foothills service caught fire but reportedly it was a problem
other than charging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proterra_(bus_manufacturer)

One wonders how much federal money was poured into that project. The
local bus company has purchased several electric buses. I'll have to
sneak up on one and see who made it. Sneaking really won't be required
since the rides are free. I don't have a particular place to go but I've
thought about climbing aboard one and seeing where it takes me. The last
bus I was on I was driving it.

On 07/30/2021 08:36 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 9:37:04 AM UTC-4, dean...@gmail.com wrote:
>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>
>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>
> Happily, I have a spare 220 line that I can use. But I'm not about to get
> rid of my usable ICE vehicle just so I can have an electric. That's plain nuts.
>
> OTOH, I might have only one car purchase left, after my 2004 Toyota Highlander
> bites the dust. (Or, more likely, after my husband's 2008 FJ Cruiser dies.) It's
> not as if we buy a car very frequently.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Toyotas don't bit the dust on their own accord. It took an idiot kid
driving a pickup with a plow blade to kill my first one. Toyota --
terrorist tested!

On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:00:39 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
wrote:

>On 07/30/2021 08:23 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
>>>
>>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in
>>> favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would
>>> have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
>>>
>>
>> Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.
>>
>> What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
>> charging? I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
>> this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.
>>
>> Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
>> charge some in the garage.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4
>
>https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210720-whyy.html
>
>Oddly it is mostly 'right wing' sites that report on Proterra buses. One
>in LA foothills service caught fire but reportedly it was a problem
>other than charging.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proterra_(bus_manufacturer)
>
>One wonders how much federal money was poured into that project. The
>local bus company has purchased several electric buses. I'll have to
>sneak up on one and see who made it. Sneaking really won't be required
>since the rides are free. I don't have a particular place to go but I've
>thought about climbing aboard one and seeing where it takes me. The last
>bus I was on I was driving it.
>
I haven't been on a municipal bus since I got out of school (1964). I
have been on a couple of chartered tour buses. (A Genesis concert in
Miami and a Colonial Williamsburg tour) It is not my favorite way to
travel. Both were adventures in their own right tho.

On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 5:59:12 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 21:00:39 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
> >On 07/30/2021 08:23 AM, Frank wrote:
> >> On 7/30/2021 9:37 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> >>> <https://news.yahoo.com/1-5-electric-vehicle-owners-164149467.html>
> >>>
> >>> About 1/5 of the Californians who bought EVs got rid of them in
> >>> favor of gas burners. The issue was charging time. House wiring would
> >>> have to be upgraded to make EVs worthwhile for some people.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nothing wrong with them but liberal thinking is one size fits all.
> >>
> >> What about apartment and townhouse dwellers with limited access to
> >> charging? I suspect that all of these Californians did not fit into
> >> this criterion and otherwise number would be much larger.
> >>
> >> Then there are the stories of them catching fire and warnings not to
> >> charge some in the garage.
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71cVhxG_v4
> >
> >https://www.greencarcongress.com/2021/07/20210720-whyy.html
> >
> >Oddly it is mostly 'right wing' sites that report on Proterra buses. One
> >in LA foothills service caught fire but reportedly it was a problem
> >other than charging.
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proterra_(bus_manufacturer)
> >
> >One wonders how much federal money was poured into that project. The
> >local bus company has purchased several electric buses. I'll have to
> >sneak up on one and see who made it. Sneaking really won't be required
> >since the rides are free. I don't have a particular place to go but I've
> >thought about climbing aboard one and seeing where it takes me. The last
> >bus I was on I was driving it.
> >
> I haven't been on a municipal bus since I got out of school (1964). I
> have been on a couple of chartered tour buses. (A Genesis concert in
> Miami and a Colonial Williamsburg tour) It is not my favorite way to
> travel. Both were adventures in their own right tho.

For a couple of years I was carless in Ann Arbor and rode the bus to work.
On various vacations (Toronto, San Francisco) we rode the bus.

In the mid-1970s I used to take the Greyhound to Detroit and the
municipal bus up to Royal Oak, where I'd be picked up by my grandfather.

Cindy Hamilton