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* dixitMarco Moock
+* Re: dixitAthel Cornish-Bowden
|+- Re: dixitSilvano
|+- Re: dixitPaul Wolff
|`- Re: dixitDingbat
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From: mm+sol...@dorfdsl.de (Marco Moock)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: dixit
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:26:06 +0100
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 by: Marco Moock - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:26 UTC

Hello!

Someone (most likely German native speaker) in comp.mail.sendmail wrote:

Claus A�mann dixit:

Leo.org doesn't have that word in the dict, dict.cc does have it in a
phrase:

ipse dixit [bare assertion] Ipse dixit {n} [unbegründete
Behauptung]

Is dixit an English verb that can be used in the way the guy does?

Is there a conjugation table for that word?

--
kind regards
Marco

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From: athel...@gmail.com (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: dixit
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:45:53 +0100
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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:45 UTC

On 2023-11-13 09:26:06 +0000, Marco Moock dijo:

> Hello!
>
> Someone (most likely German native speaker) in comp.mail.sendmail wrote:
>
> Claus A�mann dixit:
>
> Leo.org doesn't have that word in the dict, dict.cc does have it in a
> phrase:
>
> ipse dixit [bare assertion] Ipse dixit {n} [unbegründete
> Behauptung]
>
> Is dixit an English verb that can be used in the way the guy does?

Not as an English verb, no, but "Claus A?mann dixit" isn't obviously
intended to be English, and it's not uncommon (see above) to put the
opening sentence in a language other than English.
>
> Is there a conjugation table for that word?

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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From: vpaereru...@yahoo.com.invalid (Hibou)
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english
Subject: Re: dixit
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 by: Hibou - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:48 UTC

Le 13/11/2023 à 09:26, Marco Moock a écrit :
> Hello!
>
> Someone (most likely German native speaker) in comp.mail.sendmail wrote:
>
> Claus A�mann dixit:
>
> Leo.org doesn't have that word in the dict, dict.cc does have it in a
> phrase:
>
> ipse dixit [bare assertion] Ipse dixit {n} [unbegründete
> Behauptung]
>
> Is dixit an English verb that can be used in the way the guy does?
>
> Is there a conjugation table for that word?

I have seen it used as a verb, though the pukka dictionaries (OED,
Collins) list it only as a noun, meaning an utterance.

"On no better Ground than this Man's Dixit", North, 1734.

It seems to be commoner in French etc.:

<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dixit>

<https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/dixit/26205>

I'd say it's not naturalised in English, has no English conjugation, and
is usable only in the third-person singular (... dixit he, said he,
a-t-il dit).

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From: Silv...@noncisonopernessuno.it (Silvano)
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 by: Silvano - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 10:15 UTC

Athel Cornish-Bowden hat am 13.11.2023 um 10:45 geschrieben:
> On 2023-11-13 09:26:06 +0000, Marco Moock dijo:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Someone (most likely German native speaker) in comp.mail.sendmail wrote:
>>
>> Claus A�mann dixit:
>>
>> Leo.org doesn't have that word in the dict, dict.cc does have it in a
>> phrase:
>>
>> ipse dixit [bare assertion] Ipse dixit {n} [unbegründete
>> Behauptung]
>>
>> Is dixit an English verb that can be used in the way the guy does?
>
> Not as an English verb, no, but "Claus A?mann dixit" isn't obviously
> intended to be English, and it's not uncommon (see above) to put the
> opening sentence in a language other than English.

Precisely. The sender (or the program, if the sender has not changed the
original settings) decides what's written on that line. Mr. A?mann
(almost certainly Aßmann, i.e. Assmann for those who don't know the
German character ß) chose the Latin "dixit", "he/she said" in English.

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From: bounc...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk (Paul Wolff)
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 by: Paul Wolff - Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:20 UTC

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023, at 10:45:53, Athel Cornish-Bowden posted:
>On 2023-11-13 09:26:06 +0000, Marco Moock dijo:
>
>> Hello!
>> Someone (most likely German native speaker) in comp.mail.sendmail
>>wrote:
>> Claus A0 >> Leo.org doesn't have that word in the dict, dict.cc does have it in
>>
>> phrase:
>> ipse dixit [bare assertion] Ipse dixit {n} [unbegründete
>> Behauptung]
>> Is dixit an English verb that can be used in the way the guy does?
>
>Not as an English verb, no, but "Claus A?mann dixit" isn't obviously
>intended to be English, and it's not uncommon (see above) to put the
>opening sentence in a language other than English.
>> Is there a conjugation table for that word?
>
Only the Latin conjugation tables. English has another word from that
Latin verb, and that word can be found in the verb's so-called supine
form, "dictum", and means something that has been said. We use it to
mean a rule that somebody has, er, dictated, meaning it is to be
followed.
--
Paul W

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 by: Dingbat - Thu, 16 Nov 2023 20:21 UTC

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:16:02 PM UTC+5:30, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-11-13 09:26:06 +0000, Marco Moock dijo:
> > Hello!
> >
> > Someone (most likely German native speaker) in comp.mail.sendmail wrote:
> >
> > Claus A�mann dixit:
> >
> > Leo.org doesn't have that word in the dict, dict.cc does have it in a
> > phrase:
> >
> > ipse dixit [bare assertion] Ipse dixit {n} [unbegründete
> > Behauptung]
> >
> >
It doesn't seem idiomatic even in a sentence with another Latin expression:
Since no proof was cited, it must, ipso facto, be ipse dixit.
> >
> >
> > Is dixit an English verb that can be used in the way the guy does?
> Not as an English verb, no, but "Claus A?mann dixit" isn't obviously
> intended to be English, and it's not uncommon (see above) to put the
> opening sentence in a language other than English.
> >
> >
Which English texts have an opening sentence in another language?
You must know of several if you find it not uncommon.


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