Is the Ox or Horse more powerful?

An ox can draw a heavier load. But a horse can draw a lighter load
faster, or an even heavier load than an ox with the help of a mechanical
advantage. It can generate .85 hp for a sustained duration vs the ox's
.6 hp*.

So, which is more powerful? Some English speakers think it's the ox
because without any mechanical advantage, it can draw a heavier load.
Do physicists agree?
<https://grandreviewofarmies.quora.com/https-www-quora-com-What-were-the-most-significant-technological-advancements-during-the-Industrial-Revolution-and-how>

* FWIW, the figures for a donkey and a mule are .2 hp and .4 hp.

On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 7:26:46 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> Is the Ox or Horse more powerful?
>
> An ox can draw a heavier load. But a horse can draw a lighter load
> faster, or an even heavier load than an ox with the help of a mechanical
> advantage. It can generate .85 hp for a sustained duration vs the ox's
> .6 hp*.

Who decided how much power one horse is? Maybe this 0.85 horse
is a smaller individual.

> So, which is more powerful? Some English speakers think it's the ox
> because without any mechanical advantage, it can draw a heavier load.
> Do physicists agree?
> <https://grandreviewofarmies.quora.com/https-www-quora-com-What-were-the-most-significant-technological-advancements-during-the-Industrial-Revolution-and-how>
>
> * FWIW, the figures for a donkey and a mule are .2 hp and .4 hp.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, at 07:41:11, Peter T. Daniels posted:
>On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 7:26:460 >> Is the Ox or Horse more powerful?

That's very poor English. What is the "Ox or Horse"? If you improve it
by adding a definite article before "Horse", you get "Is the Ox or the
Horse more powerful" and still I scream back at you, "More powerful than
what?"

Try another definite article next time. "Is the Ox or the Horse the more
powerful?" Well done!
>>
>> An ox can draw a heavier load. But a horse can draw a lighter load
>> faster, or an even heavier load than an ox with the help of a mechanical
>> advantage. It can generate .85 hp for a sustained duration vs the ox's
>> .6 hp*.
>
>Who decided how much power one horse is? Maybe this 0.85 horse
>is a smaller individual.

You can buy a miniature horse these days as a house-pet. Whether it will
be house-trainable, I cannot say.
--
Paul W

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:13:15 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, at 07:41:11, Peter T. Daniels posted:
> >On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 7:26:460 >> Is the Ox or Horse more powerful?
>
> That's very poor English. What is the "Ox or Horse"? If you improve it
> by adding a definite article before "Horse", you get "Is the Ox or the
> Horse more powerful" and still I scream back at you, "More powerful than
> what?"
>
> Try another definite article next time. "Is the Ox or the Horse the more
> powerful?" Well done!
> >>
> >> An ox can draw a heavier load. But a horse can draw a lighter load
> >> faster, or an even heavier load than an ox with the help of a mechanical
> >> advantage. It can generate .85 hp for a sustained duration vs the ox's
> >> .6 hp*.
> >
> >Who decided how much power one horse is? Maybe this 0.85 horse
> >is a smaller individual.
> You can buy a miniature horse these days as a house-pet. Whether it will
> be house-trainable, I cannot say.
> --
> Paul W
put the fucking lorgnette away.

Is the Ox or (the) horse more powerful - elision,

the three "the" form is positively shitty.

On 17/10/23 09:08, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, at 07:41:11, Peter T. Daniels posted:
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 7:26:460 >> Is the Ox or Horse more
>> powerful?
>
> That's very poor English. What is the "Ox or Horse"? If you improve
> it by adding a definite article before "Horse", you get "Is the Ox or
> the Horse more powerful" and still I scream back at you, "More
> powerful than what?"
>
> Try another definite article next time. "Is the Ox or the Horse the
> more powerful?" Well done!
>>>
>>> An ox can draw a heavier load. But a horse can draw a lighter
>>> load faster, or an even heavier load than an ox with the help of
>>> a mechanical advantage. It can generate .85 hp for a sustained
>>> duration vs the ox's .6 hp*.
>>
>> Who decided how much power one horse is? Maybe this 0.85 horse is a
>> smaller individual.
>
> You can buy a miniature horse these days as a house-pet. Whether it
> will be house-trainable, I cannot say.

Not much use to me. Even a miniature horse would be too big for the cat
door, and without the cat door it can't get to the litter box in the garage.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:43:15 AM UTC+5:30, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, at 07:41:11, Peter T. Daniels posted:
> >On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 7:26:460 >> Is the Ox or Horse more powerful?
>
> That's very poor English. What is the "Ox or Horse"? If you improve it
> by adding a definite article before "Horse", you get "Is the Ox or the
> Horse more powerful" and still I scream back at you, "More powerful than
> what?"
>
> Try another definite article next time. "Is the Ox or the Horse the more
> powerful?" Well done!
>
Didactically or pedantically done. One or more of those articles tend to be elided
in common parlance. With 2 elided, the place to put the remaining article is
where I put it. Eliding them leaving it to be understood that they ought to be
there is called ellipsis.

Which of these do you think would be the most likely in common parlance?
Do both the Earth and the Moon orbit the Sun?
Do both the Earth and Moon orbit the Sun?
Do both Earth and the Moon orbit the Sun?
<https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/128014/how-to-use-definite-article>

On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:13:15 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, at 07:41:11, Peter T. Daniels posted:
> >On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 7:26:460 >> Is the Ox or Horse more powerful?

> That's very poor English. What is the "Ox or Horse"? If you improve it
> by adding a definite article before "Horse", you get "Is the Ox or the
> Horse more powerful" and still I scream back at you, "More powerful than
> what?"
>
> Try another definite article next time. "Is the Ox or the Horse the more
> powerful?" Well done!
>
> >> An ox can draw a heavier load. But a horse can draw a lighter load
> >> faster, or an even heavier load than an ox with the help of a mechanical
> >> advantage. It can generate .85 hp for a sustained duration vs the ox's
> >> .6 hp*.
> >Who decided how much power one horse is? Maybe this 0.85 horse
> >is a smaller individual.
>
> You can buy a miniature horse these days as a house-pet. Whether it will
> be house-trainable, I cannot say.

I took them to be archetypes -- maybe there's a fable about a competition.

Moe familiarly: Is it better to emulate Tortoise or Hare?

(Haste makes waste; He who hesitates is lost.)

Perhaps Grasshopper and Ant are less evenly matched, aphorism-wise.

Paul Wolff <bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023, at 07:41:11, Peter T. Daniels posted:
> >On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 7:26:460 >> Is the Ox or Horse more powerful?
>
> That's very poor English. What is the "Ox or Horse"? If you improve it
> by adding a definite article before "Horse", you get "Is the Ox or the
> Horse more powerful" and still I scream back at you, "More powerful than
> what?"
>
> Try another definite article next time. "Is the Ox or the Horse the more
> powerful?" Well done!
> >>
> >> An ox can draw a heavier load. But a horse can draw a lighter load
> >> faster, or an even heavier load than an ox with the help of a mechanical
> >> advantage. It can generate .85 hp for a sustained duration vs the ox's
> >> .6 hp*.
> >
> >Who decided how much power one horse is? Maybe this 0.85 horse
> >is a smaller individual.
>
> You can buy a miniature horse these days as a house-pet. Whether it will
> be house-trainable, I cannot say.

Yes, that is quite possible. They know what they are doing,
and they dislike crapping up there living quarters.
I happened to see sometime ago that it is possible
to train guide horses for the blind,
to function instead of guide dogs.
They answered your question,

Jan