I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by the
BBCs Laura Kuenssberg about the machinations inside number 10 at the
time of Boris Johnson's premiership.

[Here's a YouTube link to one :
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afobZ2c27sA> ]

The word 'frenemy' was used to describe the plasticine faced Mr. Gove,
a one-time ally of Boris.

To recap:

- Gove ran the Brexit campaign alongside Boris in 2016 and supported his
lies. (accomplice)
- Gove back-stabbed Boris during his first attempt to become PM (post
Teresa May) thus foiling his chances
- Gove was re-hired to be a member of the inner cabinet after Boris'
eventual election as PM
- Gove walked away from the Boris government when it was collapsing,
pretending he had no part in Boris' machinations.

Is 'frenemy' an adequate word for such behaviour?

On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:

> I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by the
> BBCs Laura Kuenssberg

Back in the mists of time I knew her father.

> about the machinations inside number 10 at the
> time of Boris Johnson's premiership.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

In article <ko0ghfF7874U1@mid.individual.net>,
Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:

> > I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by the
> > BBCs Laura Kuenssberg

> Back in the mists of time I knew her father.

very misty - He was in my younger brother's class at school and came to our
house from time to time.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article <5aed3a034echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <ko0ghfF7874U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:

> > > I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by
> > > the BBCs Laura Kuenssberg

> > Back in the mists of time I knew her father.

> very misty - He was in my younger brother's class at school and came to
> our house from time to time.

and, sadly, his obituary is in today's Times.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 2023-10-03 07:30:03 +0000, charles said:

> In article <5aed3a034echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>> In article <ko0ghfF7874U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:
>
>>>> I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by
>>>> the BBCs Laura Kuenssberg
>
>>> Back in the mists of time I knew her father.
>
>> very misty - He was in my younger brother's class at school and came to
>> our house from time to time.
>
> and, sadly, his obituary is in today's Times.

I had had the idea that we were in the same year at Wadham, and the
fact that he was 80 when he died would agree with that. I wouldn't have
recognized him from his picture.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> writes:
> On 2023-10-03 07:30:03 +0000, charles said:
>> In article <5aed3a034echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <ko0ghfF7874U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:
>>
>>>>> I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by
>>>>> the BBCs Laura Kuenssberg
>>
>>>> Back in the mists of time I knew her father.
>>
>>> very misty - He was in my younger brother's class at school and came to
>>> our house from time to time.
>>
>> and, sadly, his obituary is in today's Times.
>
> I had had the idea that we were in the same year at Wadham, and the
> fact that he was 80 when he died would agree with that. I wouldn't
> have recognized him from his picture.

A friendly wave from across Parks Road. If we're on the topic of
Brexitwats, I can confirm that Jacob Rees Mogg was as much an utter tit
in his late teens as he has been since. He might be the best known
person from that year, but I think anyone in Trinity would want to swap
places with him.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/

On 2023-10-07 09:33:15 +0000, Phil Carmody said:

> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 2023-10-03 07:30:03 +0000, charles said:
>>> In article <5aed3a034echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
>>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> In article <ko0ghfF7874U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>>> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:
>>>
>>>>>> I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by
>>>>>> the BBCs Laura Kuenssberg
>>>
>>>>> Back in the mists of time I knew her father.
>>>
>>>> very misty - He was in my younger brother's class at school and came to
>>>> our house from time to time.
>>>
>>> and, sadly, his obituary is in today's Times.
>>
>> I had had the idea that we were in the same year at Wadham, and the
>> fact that he was 80 when he died would agree with that. I wouldn't
>> have recognized him from his picture.
>
> A friendly wave from across Parks Road. If we're on the topic of
> Brexitwats, I can confirm that Jacob Rees Mogg was as much an utter tit

Well, his father was prominent at that time, so we know where Jacob got
his tittiness from. He (the father) was said to be the model for
Somerset Lloyd-James in the novels of Simon Raven: he was certainly
just as obnoxious.

> in his late teens as he has been since. He might be the best known
> person from that year, but I think anyone in Trinity would want to swap
> places with him.

Across the road we weren't very keen on Trinners. Too many public
school prats. Nick Kuenssberg and I were from public schools, but we
were in a minority. We thought of Trinners as like Christ Church
without the good features of Christ Church. Lots of yobs at Wadham on
the other hand, so I don't suppose most of the chaps at Trinners were
keen on us.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> writes:
> On 2023-10-07 09:33:15 +0000, Phil Carmody said:
>> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 2023-10-03 07:30:03 +0000, charles said:
>>>> In article <5aed3a034echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
>>>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In article <ko0ghfF7874U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>>>> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by
>>>>>>> the BBCs Laura Kuenssberg
>>>>
>>>>>> Back in the mists of time I knew her father.
>>>>
>>>>> very misty - He was in my younger brother's class at school and came to
>>>>> our house from time to time.
>>>>
>>>> and, sadly, his obituary is in today's Times.
>>>
>>> I had had the idea that we were in the same year at Wadham, and the
>>> fact that he was 80 when he died would agree with that. I wouldn't
>>> have recognized him from his picture.
>>
>> A friendly wave from across Parks Road. If we're on the topic of
>> Brexitwats, I can confirm that Jacob Rees Mogg was as much an utter tit
>
> Well, his father was prominent at that time, so we know where Jacob
> got his tittiness from. He (the father) was said to be the model for
> Somerset Lloyd-James in the novels of Simon Raven: he was certainly
> just as obnoxious.
>
>> in his late teens as he has been since. He might be the best known
>> person from that year, but I think anyone in Trinity would want to swap
>> places with him.
>
> Across the road we weren't very keen on Trinners. Too many public
> school prats. Nick Kuenssberg and I were from public schools, but we
> were in a minority. We thought of Trinners as like Christ Church
> without the good features of Christ Church. Lots of yobs at Wadham on
> the other hand, so I don't suppose most of the chaps at Trinners were
> keen on us.

Trinity had changed a fair bit by the late 80s, lots more normies, not a
strong public school influence at all. I may be slightly biased as I had
put Wadham as my first choice college on application, and strangely
maintained a soft spot for it, but I never noticed much rivalry. Perhaps
just in a few of the noisier sports teams. It was Bloody Balliol that we
had a real issue with. And we all know what disgrace of a recent prime
minister, and disgrace of a human being generally, was a Balliol boy.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/

On 2023-10-11 08:00:29 +0000, Phil Carmody said:

> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 2023-10-07 09:33:15 +0000, Phil Carmody said:
>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 2023-10-03 07:30:03 +0000, charles said:
>>>>> In article <5aed3a034echarles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
>>>>> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <ko0ghfF7874U1@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>>>>> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-02 15:22:50 +0000, occam said:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been watching an excellent series (of four) documentaries by
>>>>>>>> the BBCs Laura Kuenssberg
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back in the mists of time I knew her father.
>>>>>
>>>>>> very misty - He was in my younger brother's class at school and came to
>>>>>> our house from time to time.
>>>>>
>>>>> and, sadly, his obituary is in today's Times.
>>>>
>>>> I had had the idea that we were in the same year at Wadham, and the
>>>> fact that he was 80 when he died would agree with that. I wouldn't
>>>> have recognized him from his picture.
>>>
>>> A friendly wave from across Parks Road. If we're on the topic of
>>> Brexitwats, I can confirm that Jacob Rees Mogg was as much an utter tit
>>
>> Well, his father was prominent at that time, so we know where Jacob
>> got his tittiness from. He (the father) was said to be the model for
>> Somerset Lloyd-James in the novels of Simon Raven: he was certainly
>> just as obnoxious.
>>
>>> in his late teens as he has been since. He might be the best known
>>> person from that year, but I think anyone in Trinity would want to swap
>>> places with him.
>>
>> Across the road we weren't very keen on Trinners. Too many public
>> school prats. Nick Kuenssberg and I were from public schools, but we
>> were in a minority. We thought of Trinners as like Christ Church
>> without the good features of Christ Church. Lots of yobs at Wadham on
>> the other hand, so I don't suppose most of the chaps at Trinners were
>> keen on us.
>
> Trinity had changed a fair bit by the late 80s, lots more normies, not a
> strong public school influence at all. I may be slightly biased as I had
> put Wadham as my first choice college on application, and strangely
> maintained a soft spot for it, but I never noticed much rivalry. Perhaps
> just in a few of the noisier sports teams. It was Bloody Balliol

Ah, yes. C'est magnifique mais ce n'est pas la gare.

> that we
> had a real issue with. And we all know what disgrace of a recent prime
> minister, and disgrace of a human being generally, was a Balliol boy.
>
> Phil

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.