"One of the hardest climate puzzles to solve is how to cut greenhouse gases from airplanes. International travel is essential, but zero-emission flights are decades away. In Europe, where transport accounts for a quarter of emissions, policymakers may have a solution: get people to take the train instead.

Countries including France, Germany and Austria are spending billions of euros to remake the continent’s aging railway system. Their leaders are hoping to spur a renaissance in international train journeys, especially as the coronavirus pandemic ebbs and travel picks up again. After all, hopping on a train is often more convenient than flying (for one thing, there’s no airport security).

The European Union has an interest in pitting modes of transport against each other—it could push operators to find ways to lower their climate impact without passing costs on to the consumer. It’s a question of making rail more attractive, “instead of banning or disincentivizing aviation,” says European Transport Commissioner Adina Valean.

A revamped Vienna-to-Paris sleeper service, operated by Austria’s state rail company OeBB in partnership with Germany’s Deutsche Bahn, is set to start next year. While the 1,000 kilometer trip will take eight hours more than going by plane, it’ll generate a tenth of the emissions."

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium

On 7/5/2021 6:23 pm, ltlee1 wrote:
> "One of the hardest climate puzzles to solve is how to cut greenhouse gases from airplanes. International travel is essential, but zero-emission flights are decades away. In Europe, where transport accounts for a quarter of emissions, policymakers may have a solution: get people to take the train instead.
>
> Countries including France, Germany and Austria are spending billions of euros to remake the continent’s aging railway system. Their leaders are hoping to spur a renaissance in international train journeys, especially as the coronavirus pandemic ebbs and travel picks up again. After all, hopping on a train is often more convenient than flying (for one thing, there’s no airport security).
>
> The European Union has an interest in pitting modes of transport against each other—it could push operators to find ways to lower their climate impact without passing costs on to the consumer. It’s a question of making rail more attractive, “instead of banning or disincentivizing aviation,” says European Transport Commissioner Adina Valean.
>
> A revamped Vienna-to-Paris sleeper service, operated by Austria’s state rail company OeBB in partnership with Germany’s Deutsche Bahn, is set to start next year. While the 1,000 kilometer trip will take eight hours more than going by plane, it’ll generate a tenth of the emissions."
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium
>

The train system in Europe is old and rag tag.. It will take a lot of
changes to make the existing train system sustainable in quality service
and efficiency to suit the expectation of the traveling public by
airlines.

On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 1:26:55 PM UTC-4, India's terrible sanitation wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 6:23 pm, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "One of the hardest climate puzzles to solve is how to cut greenhouse gases from airplanes. International travel is essential, but zero-emission flights are decades away. In Europe, where transport accounts for a quarter of emissions, policymakers may have a solution: get people to take the train instead.
> >
> > Countries including France, Germany and Austria are spending billions of euros to remake the continent’s aging railway system. Their leaders are hoping to spur a renaissance in international train journeys, especially as the coronavirus pandemic ebbs and travel picks up again. After all, hopping on a train is often more convenient than flying (for one thing, there’s no airport security).
> >
> > The European Union has an interest in pitting modes of transport against each other—it could push operators to find ways to lower their climate impact without passing costs on to the consumer. It’s a question of making rail more attractive, “instead of banning or disincentivizing aviation,” says European Transport Commissioner Adina Valean.
> >
> > A revamped Vienna-to-Paris sleeper service, operated by Austria’s state rail company OeBB in partnership with Germany’s Deutsche Bahn, is set to start next year. While the 1,000 kilometer trip will take eight hours more than going by plane, it’ll generate a tenth of the emissions."
> >
> > https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium
> >
> The train system in Europe is old and rag tag.. It will take a lot of
> changes to make the existing train system sustainable in quality service
> and efficiency to suit the expectation of the traveling public by
> airlines.

And China is the most proficient and cost effective train system builder.
Europeans would, of course, do most of the rebuilding themselves. Nevertheless great opportunity for EU-China cooperation.

Scandinavian countries have used China construction infrastructure in
building their infrastructures and other things based on tender price and so
on.

They were very pleased with the works as well as delivery commitments made,
etc.

There is also a lot of opportunities for China to enter the former Eastern
European countries too.

Therefore, there is opportunity for more projects that will be issued by
those countries.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 1:26:55 PM UTC-4, India's terrible sanitation
wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 6:23 pm, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "One of the hardest climate puzzles to solve is how to cut greenhouse
> > gases from airplanes. International travel is essential, but
> > zero-emission flights are decades away. In Europe, where transport
> > accounts for a quarter of emissions, policymakers may have a solution:
> > get people to take the train instead.
> >
> > Countries including France, Germany and Austria are spending billions of
> > euros to remake the continent’s aging railway system. Their leaders are
> > hoping to spur a renaissance in international train journeys, especially
> > as the coronavirus pandemic ebbs and travel picks up again. After all,
> > hopping on a train is often more convenient than flying (for one thing,
> > there’s no airport security).
> >
> > The European Union has an interest in pitting modes of transport against
> > each other—it could push operators to find ways to lower their climate
> > impact without passing costs on to the consumer. It’s a question of
> > making rail more attractive, “instead of banning or disincentivizing
> > aviation,” says European Transport Commissioner Adina Valean.
> >
> > A revamped Vienna-to-Paris sleeper service, operated by Austria’s state
> > rail company OeBB in partnership with Germany’s Deutsche Bahn, is set to
> > start next year. While the 1,000 kilometer trip will take eight hours
> > more than going by plane, it’ll generate a tenth of the emissions."
> >
> > https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium
> >
> The train system in Europe is old and rag tag.. It will take a lot of
> changes to make the existing train system sustainable in quality service
> and efficiency to suit the expectation of the traveling public by
> airlines.

And China is the most proficient and cost effective train system builder.
Europeans would, of course, do most of the rebuilding themselves.
Nevertheless great opportunity for EU-China cooperation.

"ltlee1" wrote in message
news:b38a8097-cfdf-4e1f-bbd9-7cf2310a462bn@googlegroups.com...
>
> "One of the hardest climate puzzles to solve is how to cut greenhouse
> gases from airplanes. International travel is essential, but zero-emission
> flights are decades away. In Europe, where transport accounts for a
> quarter of emissions, policymakers may have a solution: get people to take
> the train instead.
>
> Countries including France, Germany and Austria are spending billions of
> euros to remake the continent’s aging railway system. Their leaders are
> hoping to spur a renaissance in international train journeys, especially
> as the coronavirus pandemic ebbs and travel picks up again. After all,
> hopping on a train is often more convenient than flying (for one thing,
> there’s no airport security).
>
> The European Union has an interest in pitting modes of transport against
> each other—it could push operators to find ways to lower their climate
> impact without passing costs on to the consumer. It’s a question of making
> rail more attractive, “instead of banning or disincentivizing aviation,”
> says European Transport Commissioner Adina Valean.
>
> A revamped Vienna-to-Paris sleeper service, operated by Austria’s state
> rail company OeBB in partnership with Germany’s Deutsche Bahn, is set to
> start next year. While the 1,000 kilometer trip will take eight hours more
> than going by plane, it’ll generate a tenth of the emissions."
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium

How do you re-generate the time lost?

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 4:13:51 PM UTC-4, Byker wrote:
> "ltlee1" wrote in message
> news:b38a8097-cfdf-4e1f...@googlegroups.com...
> >
> > "One of the hardest climate puzzles to solve is how to cut greenhouse
> > gases from airplanes. International travel is essential, but zero-emission
> > flights are decades away. In Europe, where transport accounts for a
> > quarter of emissions, policymakers may have a solution: get people to take
> > the train instead.
> >
> > Countries including France, Germany and Austria are spending billions of
> > euros to remake the continent’s aging railway system. Their leaders are
> > hoping to spur a renaissance in international train journeys, especially
> > as the coronavirus pandemic ebbs and travel picks up again. After all,
> > hopping on a train is often more convenient than flying (for one thing,
> > there’s no airport security).
> >
> > The European Union has an interest in pitting modes of transport against
> > each other—it could push operators to find ways to lower their climate
> > impact without passing costs on to the consumer. It’s a question of making
> > rail more attractive, “instead of banning or disincentivizing aviation,”
> > says European Transport Commissioner Adina Valean.
> >
> > A revamped Vienna-to-Paris sleeper service, operated by Austria’s state
> > rail company OeBB in partnership with Germany’s Deutsche Bahn, is set to
> > start next year. While the 1,000 kilometer trip will take eight hours more
> > than going by plane, it’ll generate a tenth of the emissions."
> >
> > https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium
> How do you re-generate the time lost?

Well, they would be taken night train for long trip.
To be sure, time would be lost and the passengers would have to endure inconvenience for
both long and short trips. But from the European governments point of view, they are sacrificing
short term for long term.

"aredo" wrote in message news:s76fc6$cfc$1@dont-email.me...
>
> Scandinavian countries have used China construction infrastructure in
> building their infrastructures and other things based on tender price and
> so on.
>
> They were very pleased with the works as well as delivery commitments
> made, etc.
>
> There is also a lot of opportunities for China to enter the former Eastern
> European countries too.
>
> Therefore, there is opportunity for more projects that will be issued by
> those countries.

Sure, they'll enjoy all the new goodies, especially after all the
Chingchongs have all been booted out as personas non grata...

"ltlee1" wrote in message
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On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 1:26:55 PM UTC-4, India's terrible sanitation
wrote:
> On 7/5/2021 6:23 pm, ltlee1 wrote:
>> >
>> > https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium
>> >
>> The train system in Europe is old and rag tag.. It will take a lot of
>> changes to make the existing train system sustainable in quality service
>> and efficiency to suit the expectation of the traveling public by
>> airlines.
>
> And China is the most proficient and cost effective train system builder.

How long before the poor-quality concrete sends bridges and viaducts
crashing down?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zplHlJDs1U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopSDJq6w8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00nTSAcMhs

On Mon, 10 May 2021 13:51:20 -0500, "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:

>"ltlee1" wrote in message
>news:e80f15e9-f0e2-49cb-b076-33c08545519dn@googlegroups.com...
>
>On Friday, May 7, 2021 at 1:26:55 PM UTC-4, India's terrible sanitation
>wrote:
>> On 7/5/2021 6:23 pm, ltlee1 wrote:
>>> >
>>> > https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-europe-travel-night-trains-flights/?srnd=premium
>>> >
>>> The train system in Europe is old and rag tag.. It will take a lot of
>>> changes to make the existing train system sustainable in quality service
>>> and efficiency to suit the expectation of the traveling public by
>>> airlines.
>>
>> And China is the most proficient and cost effective train system builder.
>
>How long before the poor-quality concrete sends bridges and viaducts
>crashing down?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zplHlJDs1U
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopSDJq6w8E
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00nTSAcMhs

How about the 3-Gorges dam ?

China builds fast and cheap and there's a minimum of
legit engineering and inspection. Somewhat like Russia
in the 50s/60s, China prefers appearances over all
else. It will build a bullet-train system, invite the foreign
press to take pictures, make praiseful documentaries,
and then when it all falls down they won't tell anybody.