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* Use of them and they for he, her, his, hers et certeraWill Dockery
+- Re: Use of them and they for he, her, his, hers et certeraHibou
`* Re: Use of them and they for he, her, his, hers et certeraKen Blake
 `* Re: Use of them and they for he, her, his, hers et certeraHibou
  `- Re: Use of them and they for he, her, his, hers et certeraAthel Cornish-Bowden

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 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:14 UTC

I'm seeing this a lot more in recent days, is this new correct way to refer to men and women, as nonspecific "them" "they" and "their?"

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 by: Hibou - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:06 UTC

Le 25/08/2023 à 07:14, Will Dockery a écrit :
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> I'm seeing this a lot more in recent days, is this new correct way to refer to men and women, as nonspecific "them" "they" and "their?"

'They' as a neutral pronoun to refer to an individual is probably
commoner now, having largely replaced the conventional 'he', but it is
not new. The first example given in the OED dates from ~1350.

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 14:17 UTC

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 23:14:16 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'm seeing this a lot more in recent days, is this new correct way to refer to men and women, as nonspecific "them" "they" and "their?"

It's getting to be more and more common, even though many of us,
including me, consider it incorrect and don't do it.

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 by: Hibou - Sat, 26 Aug 2023 09:12 UTC

Le 25/08/2023 à 15:17, Ken Blake a écrit :
> Will Dockery <will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm seeing this a lot more in recent days, is this new correct way to refer to men and women, as nonspecific "them" "they" and "their?"
>
>
> It's getting to be more and more common, even though many of us,
> including me, consider it incorrect and don't do it.

I don't really like it either - and I find I can often avoid it by
rephrasing in the plural (each player must provide their own kit -> all
players...).

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From: athel...@gmail.com (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 26 Aug 2023 09:15 UTC

On 2023-08-26 09:12:39 +0000, Hibou said:

> Le 25/08/2023 à 15:17, Ken Blake a écrit :
>> Will Dockery <will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm seeing this a lot more in recent days, is this new correct way to
>>> refer to men and women, as nonspecific "them" "they" and "their?"
>>
>>
>> It's getting to be more and more common, even though many of us,
>> including me, consider it incorrect and don't do it.
>
> I don't really like it either - and I find I can often avoid it by
> rephrasing in the plural (each player must provide their own kit -> all
> players...).

Yes. A great many (not all) awkward sentences with singular "they" can
be made less awkward by putting them in the plural.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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