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* July 2023: Oldest living film people!Lenona
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You can see most of these at genarians.com.

Besides all those people born in 1933, I've added three actresses, two actors, one director, and two people under Miscellaneous. See if you can spot them.

I've also made changes with two of the directors - that is, they're likely better known for the film/TV titles I put next to them, just now.

ACTRESSES:

1919: Caren Marsh
1922: Micheline Presle, Janis Paige, Jacqueline White
1923: Glynis Johns
1924: Anne Vernon, Priscilla Pointer, Eva Marie Saint, Joyce Randolph, Maria Riva
1925: June Lockhart, Lee Grant
1926: Marilyn Knowlden, Helen Gallagher, Judith Magre
1927: Barbara Rush, Phyllis Coates, Lisa Lu, Maria Victoria, Rosemary Harris, Estelle Parsons, Genevieve Page
1928: Peggy Dow, Yvonne Furneaux, Nancy Olson, Ann Blyth, Rosa Rosal, Marion Ross, Kathleen Hughes
1929: Vikki Dougan, Terry Moore, Patricia Routledge, Rebecca Schull, Claire Maurier, Margaret Kerry, Ann Robinson, Bonnie Bartlett, Vera Miles, Fernanda Montenegro, Joan Plowright, June Squibb
1930: Frances Sternhagen, Tippi Hedren, Peggy King, Joanne Woodward, Mary Costa, Gena Rowlands, Nita Talbot, Lois Smith, Nancy Kilgas
1931: Mamie van Doren, Claire Bloom, Ann McCrea, Carmen de Lavallade, Ita Ever, Barbara Barrie, Carroll Baker, Virginia McKenna, Marla Gibbs, Leslie Caron, Antonella Lualdi, Ruth Maria Kubitschek, Barbara Eden, Mitzi Gaynor, Silvia Pinal, Barbara Bain, Angie Dickinson, Vivian Pickles, Mary Louise Wilson, Anne Heywood, Rita Moreno
1932: Piper Laurie, Margit Carlqvist, Harriet Andersson, Anouk Aimee, Phyllida Law, Marisa Pavan, Prunella Scales, Nina van Pallandt, Carol Lawrence, Mitzi McCall, Felicia Farr, Petula Clark, Diane Ladd, Ellen Burstyn, Abbe Lane, Inga Swenson
1933: Chita Rivera, Margaret Whiting, Kim Novak, Sheila Hancock, Sandra Milo, Barbara Feldon, Renee Taylor, Shani Wallis, Carol Burnett, Francoise Fabian, Sian Phillips, Constance Towers, Joan Collins

ACTORS:

1923: Mike Nussbaum
1924: Woody Woodbury, William Russell
1925: Bill Hayes, Dick Van Dyke
1926: Shecky Greene, Stanley Baxter, Terry Kilburn
1927: William Daniels, William Smithers
1928: Paul Dooley, Joss Ackland, Earl Holliman
1929: Carl Banas, Michael Craig, Jerry Adler, James Hong, Don Murray, Bob Newhart, Jerry Hardin
1930: Gene Hackman, Robert Wagner, John Cullum, John Astin, Clive Revill, Alan Oppenheimer, Will Hutchins, James McEachin, Clint Eastwood, Feng Ku, Peter Weck, Mario Adorf, Carlo Reali, Armin Mueller-Stahl
1931: Robert Duvall, James Earl Jones, Dominic Chianese, Hal Linden, William Shatner, James Tolkan, Robert Ito, Robert Colbert, Darryl Hickman, Malachy McCourt, Freddy Quinn, Ronnie Schell
1932: Dabney Coleman, Jon Cypher, Paul Sand, Joel Grey, William Roache, Jan Malmsjö, Peter Lupus, Rosey Grier, George Chakiris, Tatsuya Nakadai
1933: Michael Caine, Bob Dornan, Mark Damon, Brett Halsey, Bernie Kopell

DIRECTORS:

1923: Madeline Anderson
1924: Robert M. Young
1926: Roger Corman, Mel Brooks, Norman Jewison
1927: Jerry Schatzberg, Marcel Ophuls, Robert Butler
1928: James Ivory
1929: Alejandro Jodorowsky, Mark Rydell, Michael Snow
1930: Frederick Wiseman, Larry Peerce, Robert Carl Cohen
1931: Hector Olivera, Ted Kotcheff, Jan Troell, Bill Persky, Alain Cavalier, Márta Mészáros, Paolo Taviani
1932: Alfonso Arau, Richard Lester, Alexander Kluge, Jerzy Hoffman, Jean-Paul Rappeneau, Elaine May, John Glen, Alanis Obomsawin, Robert Benton, Edgar Reitz
1933: William Fruet, Liliana Cavani, John Boorman, Jack Hill, Costa Gavras, Yoko Ono, Sidney J. Furie, Tinto Brass, Jean Becker, Ken Jacobs

PRODUCERS:

1922: Norman Lear
1923: Stan Waterman
1927: Arthur Cohn
1929: Sandy Frank, Sid Krofft, Joan Ganz Cooney
1930: Albert Ruddy, Frank Price
1931: Irwin Winkler
1932: George Stevens, Jr., George Schlatter
1933: Quincy Jones

MISCELLANEOUS:

1920: Norma Barzman
1923: Józef Hen, Bob Barker
1924: Lee Adams
1925: Alan Bergman
1926: Robert McGinnis, Gene Shalit, Peter Marshall, David Attenborough
1927: Maggie Lettvin, John Kander
1928: Tom Jones, Charles Strouse, Richard M. Sherman, Johnny Gilbert
1929: Billy Williams
1930: Silvio Santos
1931: Robert MacNeil, Caroline Graham, Dan Rather
1932: Marlene Fanta Shyer, John Hart, John Williams, Lalo Schifrin, Bo Goldman, Joe Morgenstern, Belva Davis, Theodor Pistek
1933: Charles Osgood, Tony Brown, Joan Bakewell

Expanded list:

ACTRESSES:

1919: Caren Marsh (The Wizard of Oz)
1922: Micheline Presle (Devil in the Flesh, 1947), Janis Paige (Silk Stockings), Jacqueline White (Crossfire, 1947)
1923: Glynis Johns (Mary Poppins)
1924: Anne Vernon (The Umbrellas of Cherbourg, 1964), Priscilla Pointer (Carrie, 1976), Eva Marie Saint (North by Northwest), Joyce Randolph (TV's The Honeymooners), Maria Riva (The Scarlet Empress, 1934)
1925: June Lockhart (TV's Lost in Space), Lee Grant (Shampoo)
1926: Marilyn Knowlden (Les Misérables, 1935), Helen Gallagher (TV's Ryan's Hope), Judith Magre (The Lovers, 1958)
1927: Barbara Rush (The Young Philadelphians), Phyllis Coates (TV's Superman), Lisa Lu (Crazy Rich Asians), Maria Victoria (La Criada Bien Criada, 1972), Rosemary Harris (Spider-Man), Estelle Parsons (Bonnie & Clyde), Genevieve Page (Belle de Jour)
1928: Peggy Dow (Harvey), Yvonne Furneaux (La Dolce Vita), Nancy Olson (The Absent-Minded Professor), Ann Blyth (Mildred Pierce), Rosa Rosal (Blessings of the Land, 1959), Marion Ross (TV's Happy Days), Kathleen Hughes (It Came from Outer Space)
1929: Vikki Dougan (The Tunnel of Love, 1958), Terry Moore (Come Back, Little Sheba), Patricia Routledge (TV's Keeping Up Appearances), Rebecca Schull (TV's Wings), Claire Maurier (La Cage aux Folles), Margaret Kerry (Disney's Peter Pan), Ann Robinson (The War of the Worlds, 1953), Bonnie Bartlett (TV's St. Elsewhere), Vera Miles (Psycho), Fernanda Montenegro (Central Station, 1998), Joan Plowright (The Entertainer), June Squibb (Nebraska, 2013)
1930: Frances Sternhagen (Misery), Tippi Hedren (The Birds), Peggy King (Abbott & Costello Meet the Mummy), Joanne Woodward (The Three Faces of Eve), Mary Costa (Sleeping Beauty), Gena Rowlands (A Woman Under the Influence), Nita Talbot (TV's Hogan's Heroes), Lois Smith (East of Eden), Nancy Kilgas (Seven Brides for Seven Brothers)
1931: Mamie van Doren (Untamed Youth, 1957), Claire Bloom (Limelight), Ann McCrea (TV's The Donna Reed Show), Carmen de Lavallade (Odds Against Tomorrow), Ita Ever (A Pocketful of Rye, 1983), Barbara Barrie (TV's Barney Miller), Carroll Baker (Baby Doll), Virginia McKenna (Born Free), Marla Gibbs (TV's The Jeffersons), Leslie Caron (Gigi), Antonella Lualdi (The Red and the Black, 1954), Ruth Maria Kubitschek (Frau Ella, 2013), Barbara Eden (TV's I Dream of Jeannie), Mitzi Gaynor (South Pacific), Silvia Pinal (Viridiana, 1961), Barbara Bain (TV's Mission Impossible), Angie Dickinson (Dressed to Kill, 1980), Vivian Pickles (Harold and Maude), Mary Louise Wilson (TV's One Day at a Time, 1976-1977), Anne Heywood (The Fox, 1967), Rita Moreno (West Side Story)
1932: Piper Laurie (Carrie, 1976), Margit Carlqvist (Smiles of a Summer Night), Harriet Andersson (Cries & Whispers), Anouk Aimee (A Man and a Woman, 1966), Phyllida Law (The Winter Guest, 1997), Marisa Pavan (The Rose Tattoo, 1955), Prunella Scales (TV's Fawlty Towers), Nina van Pallandt (American Gigolo), Carol Lawrence (TV's Valley of the Dolls, 1994), Mitzi McCall (TV's The Flintstones Comedy Hour), Felicia Farr (Kiss Me, Stupid, 1964), Petula Clark (Finian's Rainbow), Diane Ladd (Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore), Ellen Burstyn (Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore), Abbe Lane (The Wanderers, 1956), Inga Swenson (The Miracle Worker, 1962)
1933: Chita Rivera (Chicago), Margaret Whiting (Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger, 1977), Kim Novak (Vertigo), Sheila Hancock (Buster, 1988), Sandra Milo (Juliet of the Spirits, 1965), Barbara Feldon (TV's Get Smart, 1965-1970), Renee Taylor (TV's The Nanny, 1993-1999), Shani Wallis (Oliver! 1968), Carol Burnett (TV's The Carol Burnett Show, 1967-1978), Francoise Fabian (My Night at Maud's, 1980), Sian Phillips (TV's I, Claudius, 1976), Constance Towers (TV's General Hospital, 1997-2023), Joan Collins (TV's Dynasty, 1981-1989)

ACTORS:

1923: Mike Nussbaum (Men in Black)
1924: Woody Woodbury (For Those Who Think Young, 1964), William Russell (TV's Dr. Who, 1963-1965 - and father of Harry Potter's Alfred Enoch)
1925: Bill Hayes (TV's Days of Our Lives), Dick Van Dyke (TV's The Dick Van Dyke Show)
1926: Shecky Greene (History of the World, Part I), Stanley Baxter (The Fast Lady, 1962), Terry Kilburn (Goodbye, Mr. Chips, 1939)
1927: William Daniels (The Graduate), William Smithers (Papillon)
1928: Paul Dooley (Popeye), Joss Ackland (White Mischief), Earl Holliman (The Rainmaker, 1956)
1929: Carl Banas (TV's Babar, 1989-1990), Michael Craig (The Mysterious Island), Jerry Adler (TV's The Sopranos), James Hong (Big Trouble in Little China), Don Murray (Bus Stop, 1956), Bob Newhart (TV's Bob Newhart), Jerry Hardin (TV's The X-Files)
1930: Gene Hackman (The French Connection), Robert Wagner (TV's Hart to Hart), John Cullum (TV's The Day After), John Astin (TV's The Addams Family), Clive Revill (Avanti!), Alan Oppenheimer (TV's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe), Will Hutchins (TV's Sugarfoot, 1957-1961), James McEachin (Play Misty for Me), Clint Eastwood (Dirty Harry), Feng Ku (Death Kick, 1973), Peter Weck (Aimee and Jaguar, 1999), Mario Adorf (The Tin Drum), Carlo Reali (La Cage aux Folles), Armin Mueller-Stahl (Shine, 1996)
1931: Robert Duvall (Tender Mercies), James Earl Jones (Star Wars), Dominic Chianese (TV's The Sopranos), Hal Linden(TV's Barney Miller), William Shatner (TV's Star Trek), James Tolkan (Back to the Future), Robert Ito (TV's Quincy, M.E.), Robert Colbert (TV's The Time Tunnel, 1966-1967), Darryl Hickman (The Grapes of Wrath), Malachy McCourt (TV's Oz), Freddy Quinn (Only the Wind, 1961), Ronnie Schell (TV's Gomer Pyle)
1932: Dabney Coleman (WarGames, 1983), Jon Cypher (TV's Hill Street Blues), Paul Sand (The Hot Rock, 1972), Joel Grey (Cabaret), William Roache (TV's Coronation Street), Jan Malmsjö (Fanny & Alexander), Peter Lupus (TV's Mission: Impossible), Rosey Grier (The Thing With Two Heads), George Chakiris (West Side Story, 1961), Tatsuya Nakadai (Ran, 1985)
1933: Michael Caine (Alfie, 1966), Bob Dornan (TV's 12 O'Clock High, 1965-1967), Mark Damon (House of Usher, 1960), Brett Halsey (Return of the Fly, 1958), Bernie Kopell (TV's The Love Boat, 1977-1987)


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[snip]

ah yes, Nina van Pallandt....

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Lots of toil clearly went into your compiling these detailed rosters; I suppose every reader a bunch of times said to him/herself, "Didn't know, but sure am glad to learn s/he's still around."

Your tireless work is not unappreciated, Lenona[.].

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

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On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 22:14:30 UTC+2, radioacti...@gmail.com wrote:
> Lots of toil clearly went into your compiling these detailed rosters; I suppose every reader a bunch of times said to him/herself, "Didn't know, but sure am glad to learn s/he's still around."
>
> Your tireless work is not unappreciated, Lenona[.].
>
> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
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On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 11:34:29 AM UTC-4, Lenona wrote:
> You can see most of these at genarians.com.
>
> Besides all those people born in 1933, I've added three actresses, two actors, one director, and two people under Miscellaneous. See if you can spot them.
>
> I've also made changes with two of the directors - that is, they're likely better known for the film/TV titles I put next to them, just now.
>
> ACTRESSES:
>
> 1919: Caren Marsh
> 1922: Micheline Presle, Janis Paige, Jacqueline White
> 1923: Glynis Johns
> 1924: Anne Vernon, Priscilla Pointer, Eva Marie Saint, Joyce Randolph, Maria Riva
> 1925: June Lockhart, Lee Grant
> 1926: Marilyn Knowlden, Helen Gallagher, Judith Magre
> 1927: Barbara Rush, Phyllis Coates, Lisa Lu, Maria Victoria, Rosemary Harris, Estelle Parsons, Genevieve Page
> 1928: Peggy Dow, Yvonne Furneaux, Nancy Olson, Ann Blyth, Rosa Rosal, Marion Ross, Kathleen Hughes
> 1929: Vikki Dougan, Terry Moore, Patricia Routledge, Rebecca Schull, Claire Maurier, Margaret Kerry, Ann Robinson, Bonnie Bartlett, Vera Miles, Fernanda Montenegro, Joan Plowright, June Squibb
> 1930: Frances Sternhagen, Tippi Hedren, Peggy King, Joanne Woodward, Mary Costa, Gena Rowlands, Nita Talbot, Lois Smith, Nancy Kilgas
> 1931: Mamie van Doren, Claire Bloom, Ann McCrea, Carmen de Lavallade, Ita Ever, Barbara Barrie, Carroll Baker, Virginia McKenna, Marla Gibbs, Leslie Caron, Antonella Lualdi, Ruth Maria Kubitschek, Barbara Eden, Mitzi Gaynor, Silvia Pinal, Barbara Bain, Angie Dickinson, Vivian Pickles, Mary Louise Wilson, Anne Heywood, Rita Moreno
> 1932: Piper Laurie, Margit Carlqvist, Harriet Andersson, Anouk Aimee, Phyllida Law, Marisa Pavan, Prunella Scales, Nina van Pallandt, Carol Lawrence, Mitzi McCall, Felicia Farr, Petula Clark, Diane Ladd, Ellen Burstyn, Abbe Lane, Inga Swenson
> 1933: Chita Rivera, Margaret Whiting, Kim Novak, Sheila Hancock, Sandra Milo, Barbara Feldon, Renee Taylor, Shani Wallis, Carol Burnett, Francoise Fabian, Sian Phillips, Constance Towers, Joan Collins
>
>
> ACTORS:
>
> 1923: Mike Nussbaum
> 1924: Woody Woodbury, William Russell
> 1925: Bill Hayes, Dick Van Dyke
> 1926: Shecky Greene, Stanley Baxter, Terry Kilburn
> 1927: William Daniels, William Smithers
> 1928: Paul Dooley, Joss Ackland, Earl Holliman
> 1929: Carl Banas, Michael Craig, Jerry Adler, James Hong, Don Murray, Bob Newhart, Jerry Hardin
> 1930: Gene Hackman, Robert Wagner, John Cullum, John Astin, Clive Revill, Alan Oppenheimer, Will Hutchins, James McEachin, Clint Eastwood, Feng Ku, Peter Weck, Mario Adorf, Carlo Reali, Armin Mueller-Stahl
> 1931: Robert Duvall, James Earl Jones, Dominic Chianese, Hal Linden, William Shatner, James Tolkan, Robert Ito, Robert Colbert, Darryl Hickman, Malachy McCourt, Freddy Quinn, Ronnie Schell
> 1932: Dabney Coleman, Jon Cypher, Paul Sand, Joel Grey, William Roache, Jan Malmsjö, Peter Lupus, Rosey Grier, George Chakiris, Tatsuya Nakadai
> 1933: Michael Caine, Bob Dornan, Mark Damon, Brett Halsey, Bernie Kopell

This information makes me feel old. Not because the people mentioned are old
but because the oldest among them was born in 1919. I remember as a kid it was
not uncommon to know people born in the 1800s. I see 1919 and I think, "Big deal,
that isn't old - I was born in 1947." But then I remember all the people I knew who
were born in the 1800s and they're not around anymore and that kind of drives
the message home. "Uh uh, I could be next!"

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 by: Lenona - Mon, 3 Jul 2023 16:10 UTC

On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 6:34:26 AM UTC-4, David Medalie wrote:
> Michael Snow passed away on 5 January 2023.

Aargh - so often, I remember to erase a name from one part of the list, but not the other part!

That is, you probably noticed that I erased him from the expanded section.

And thank you, Bryan.

Btw, if anyone's interested, here are many details on Margaret Whiting and that infamous movie:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.movies.past-films/c/BqVWZqMDWjs/m/bpPbdh94AwAJ

First lines:

She was born in Bristol, England and was married to actor Colin Blakely for 26 years until his death in 1987.

Not to be confused with the Detroit-born actress-singer (1924-2011) whose father was composer Richard A. Whiting - but Rotten Tomatoes makes that mistake!

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On Sunday, July 2, 2023 at 9:04:14 PM UTC-4, Thomas Joseph wrote:

> This information makes me feel old. Not because the people mentioned are old
> but because the oldest among them was born in 1919. I remember as a kid it was
> not uncommon to know people born in the 1800s. I see 1919 and I think, "Big deal,
> that isn't old - I was born in 1947." But then I remember all the people I knew who
> were born in the 1800s and they're not around anymore and that kind of drives
> the message home. "Uh uh, I could be next!"

From 2019, in rec.arts.movies.past-films:

"Depressing stuff; when I first became aware of this list about twenty years ago I'd barely heard of any of the listees, or else they were people of myth and legend. Nowadays they're household names to me. :( ."

-Halmyre

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Lenona wrote:

> "Depressing stuff; when I first became aware of this list about twenty
years ago I'd barely heard of any of the listees, or else they were people
of myth and legend. Nowadays they're household names to me. :(

It is rare for the death of any notable person to get past me. But I
don't read the paper anymore - politics through and through - so
sometimes one will sneak through. The deaths are not as exciting
as they once were because a young death is not only rare, it's nearly
impossible. In order to get off on a young notable death you will have
to keep up with young celebrities, mostly no-talent relatives of show biz
old timers already in the graves. I was aware of just about all on the list.
I have a good memory for worthless information. It's easy, the brain opens
and accepts. The less meaningful the easier it is. I enjoy a good notable
person death, always, even if its someone I like. But such experiences
are getting rare, that's for sure - for as we age so too do the famous who
die all around us. It's like when Presley died, I did not like the stuff he was
singing at the time. I preferred his stuff from the 50s. After he died it
was like, "What difference does it make, everything he ever did that I like
is on tape." It's easy to say goodbye to them when they're over the hill.

I thought I saw him coming over the hill with Abraham Martin and John


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