<https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
<deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

><https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>

I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :

https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php

It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
.... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
John T.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
><deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>><https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>
>
> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>
>https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>
>It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
> John T.
Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.

On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>
>>
>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>
>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>
>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>> John T.
> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.

We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
"smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
yes, but not for us!

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>
>>>
>>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>>
>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>
>>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>>> John T.
>> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>
>We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
>battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>"smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
>numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>yes, but not for us!

My pre-paid requires $ 100. for 1 year.
I've accumulated over $ 300. over 10 years so I'll experiment with
some very limited data use - keep it disabled until needed and
hope that the apps and greedy google don't break-the-bank during the
brief periods of data-enabled usage ... < ? >
I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to NOT update
or sync or anything .. but I'm not optimistic.
John T.

On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>>>
>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>
>>>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>>>> John T.
>>> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>
>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>> almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>> "smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>> can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
>> numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>> yes, but not for us!
>
>
> My pre-paid requires $ 100. for 1 year.
> I've accumulated over $ 300. over 10 years so I'll experiment with
> some very limited data use - keep it disabled until needed and
> hope that the apps and greedy google don't break-the-bank during the
> brief periods of data-enabled usage ... < ? >
> I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to NOT update
> or sync or anything .. but I'm not optimistic.
> John T.
>

We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
communications.

Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
those spam text messages you receive. We felt it was likely that we'd
end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
updates. Too much frustration and bother to deal with. We figured we'd
end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).

Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
anniversary since we started the plan. I wonder if it will really be
free beginning the 8th year? :-).

On 1/4/2022 11:14 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only just upgraded from my  " Motorola-berry "   :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>
>>>>> It was still working like a champ  < except for internet >
>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to  ..
>>>>>      John T.
>>>>     Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>
>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G  "candy bar" phones.  Great
>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>> almost anywhere.  Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>> "smart phones".  Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>> can do on our desk top PCs.  New account costs $70/month for the two
>>> numbers.  Progress?  For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>> yes, but not for us!
>>
>>
>>    My  pre-paid  requires  $ 100.  for  1 year.
>> I've accumulated  over $ 300.  over  10 years  so I'll experiment with
>> some very limited data use   -   keep it disabled until needed and
>> hope that the apps and greedy google  don't break-the-bank during the
>> brief periods of  data-enabled   usage  ... < ? >
>>   I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to  NOT update
>> or sync  or  anything  ..   but I'm not optimistic.
>>     John T.
>>
>
> We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
> phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
> all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
> communications.
>
> Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
> incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
> your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
> those spam text messages you receive.  We felt it was likely that we'd
> end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
> undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
> for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
> updates.  Too much frustration and bother to deal with.  We figured we'd
> end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
> the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
> chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>
> Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
> anniversary since we started the plan.  I wonder if it will really be
> free beginning the 8th year? :-).

I have found that spam and junk calls are not a real problem, but I am
very careful about giving out my cell #.

On 1/4/2022 2:14 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only just upgraded from my  " Motorola-berry "   :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>
>>>>> It was still working like a champ  < except for internet >
>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to  ..
>>>>>      John T.
>>>>     Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>
>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G  "candy bar" phones.  Great
>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>> almost anywhere.  Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>> "smart phones".  Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>> can do on our desk top PCs.  New account costs $70/month for the two
>>> numbers.  Progress?  For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>> yes, but not for us!
>>
>>
>>    My  pre-paid  requires  $ 100.  for  1 year.
>> I've accumulated  over $ 300.  over  10 years  so I'll experiment with
>> some very limited data use   -   keep it disabled until needed and
>> hope that the apps and greedy google  don't break-the-bank during the
>> brief periods of  data-enabled   usage  ... < ? >
>>   I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to  NOT update
>> or sync  or  anything  ..   but I'm not optimistic.
>>     John T.
>>
>
> We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
> phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
> all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
> communications.
>
> Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
> incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
> your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
> those spam text messages you receive.  We felt it was likely that we'd
> end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
> undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
> for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
> updates.  Too much frustration and bother to deal with.  We figured we'd
> end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
> the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
> chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>
> Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
> anniversary since we started the plan.  I wonder if it will really be
> free beginning the 8th year? :-).

I had a Tracfone flip phone with over 7,000 roll over minutes but got a
Samsung smart phone for $100 a couple of months ago with data and a
month time as 4g is being dropped and phone would be antiquated. Just
upped it for a year with minutes and data for about $110. I use wifi at
home and where else available and shut off ap notifications and removed
annoying aps. Did spend another $20 or so for a phone "glove" that
protects it but allows all functions with it on. Figure even with add
on expenses for the year I pay maybe 10% of what many others pay per year.

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:14:52 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>
>>>>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>>>>> John T.
>>>> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>
>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>> almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>> "smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>> can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
>>> numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>> yes, but not for us!
>>
>>
>> My pre-paid requires $ 100. for 1 year.
>> I've accumulated over $ 300. over 10 years so I'll experiment with
>> some very limited data use - keep it disabled until needed and
>> hope that the apps and greedy google don't break-the-bank during the
>> brief periods of data-enabled usage ... < ? >
>> I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to NOT update
>> or sync or anything .. but I'm not optimistic.
>> John T.
>>
>
>We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
>phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
>all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
>communications.
>
>Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
>incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
>your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
>those spam text messages you receive. We felt it was likely that we'd
>end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
>undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
>for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
>updates. Too much frustration and bother to deal with. We figured we'd
>end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
>the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
>chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>
>Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
>anniversary since we started the plan. I wonder if it will really be
>free beginning the 8th year? :-).

Spam-texts don't bother me at all - I get very few of them -
- @ 15 cents. Spam calls or voicemails don't cost me anything.
Data is another kettle-of-maggoty-fish .. 15 cents per mbyte !
. . used $ 5. in the first couple hours - all in the background -
- until I found the google-pirates and turned them off
< play store and something else >
John T.

Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote
> On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>
>>>>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>>>>> John T.
>>>> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>
>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>> almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>> "smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>> can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
>>> numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>> yes, but not for us!
>>
>>
>> My pre-paid requires $ 100. for 1 year.
>> I've accumulated over $ 300. over 10 years so I'll experiment with
>> some very limited data use - keep it disabled until needed and
>> hope that the apps and greedy google don't break-the-bank during the
>> brief periods of data-enabled usage ... < ? >
>> I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to NOT update
>> or sync or anything .. but I'm not optimistic.
>> John T.
>>
>
> We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
> phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
> all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
> communications.

In fact its dead easy on an iphone, just turn data off.

> Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
> incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
> your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
> those spam text messages you receive. We felt it was likely that we'd end
> up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for undesired
> phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done for free via
> wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only updates. Too
> much frustration and bother to deal with. We figured we'd end up spending
> each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for the 2-line
> unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we chose (T-Mobile
> 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>
> Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
> anniversary since we started the plan. I wonder if it will really be free
> beginning the 8th year? :-).

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:46:24 -0500, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

>On 1/4/2022 2:14 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only just upgraded from my  " Motorola-berry "   :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was still working like a champ  < except for internet >
>>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to  ..
>>>>>>      John T.
>>>>>     Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>>
>>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G  "candy bar" phones.  Great
>>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>>> almost anywhere.  Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>>> "smart phones".  Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>>> can do on our desk top PCs.  New account costs $70/month for the two
>>>> numbers.  Progress?  For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>>> yes, but not for us!
>>>
>>>
>>>    My  pre-paid  requires  $ 100.  for  1 year.
>>> I've accumulated  over $ 300.  over  10 years  so I'll experiment with
>>> some very limited data use   -   keep it disabled until needed and
>>> hope that the apps and greedy google  don't break-the-bank during the
>>> brief periods of  data-enabled   usage  ... < ? >
>>>   I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to  NOT update
>>> or sync  or  anything  ..   but I'm not optimistic.
>>>     John T.
>>>
>>
>> We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
>> phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
>> all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
>> communications.
>>
>> Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
>> incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
>> your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
>> those spam text messages you receive.  We felt it was likely that we'd
>> end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
>> undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
>> for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
>> updates.  Too much frustration and bother to deal with.  We figured we'd
>> end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
>> the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
>> chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>>
>> Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
>> anniversary since we started the plan.  I wonder if it will really be
>> free beginning the 8th year? :-).
>
>I had a Tracfone flip phone with over 7,000 roll over minutes but got a
>Samsung smart phone for $100 a couple of months ago with data and a
>month time as 4g is being dropped and phone would be antiquated. Just
>upped it for a year with minutes and data for about $110. I use wifi at
>home and where else available and shut off ap notifications and removed
>annoying aps. Did spend another $20 or so for a phone "glove" that
>protects it but allows all functions with it on. Figure even with add
>on expenses for the year I pay maybe 10% of what many others pay per year.

4G will go on, it is 3G that will go away. Verison says that is
12/31/22 here.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:49:23 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

>On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:14:52 -0500, Retirednoguilt
><HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>>On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>>>>>> John T.
>>>>> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>>
>>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
>>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>>> almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>>> "smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>>> can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
>>>> numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>>> yes, but not for us!
>>>
>>>
>>> My pre-paid requires $ 100. for 1 year.
>>> I've accumulated over $ 300. over 10 years so I'll experiment with
>>> some very limited data use - keep it disabled until needed and
>>> hope that the apps and greedy google don't break-the-bank during the
>>> brief periods of data-enabled usage ... < ? >
>>> I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to NOT update
>>> or sync or anything .. but I'm not optimistic.
>>> John T.
>>>
>>
>>We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
>>phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
>>all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
>>communications.
>>
>>Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
>>incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
>>your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
>>those spam text messages you receive. We felt it was likely that we'd
>>end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
>>undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
>>for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
>>updates. Too much frustration and bother to deal with. We figured we'd
>>end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
>>the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
>>chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>>
>>Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
>>anniversary since we started the plan. I wonder if it will really be
>>free beginning the 8th year? :-).
>
>
>Spam-texts don't bother me at all - I get very few of them -
> - @ 15 cents. Spam calls or voicemails don't cost me anything.
>Data is another kettle-of-maggoty-fish .. 15 cents per mbyte !
> . . used $ 5. in the first couple hours - all in the background -
> - until I found the google-pirates and turned them off
>< play store and something else >
> John T.
Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 16:46:39 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
wrote:

>On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:49:23 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:14:52 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>><HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>>>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>>>
>>>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
>>>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>>>> almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>>>> "smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>>>> can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
>>>>> numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>>>> yes, but not for us!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My pre-paid requires $ 100. for 1 year.
>>>> I've accumulated over $ 300. over 10 years so I'll experiment with
>>>> some very limited data use - keep it disabled until needed and
>>>> hope that the apps and greedy google don't break-the-bank during the
>>>> brief periods of data-enabled usage ... < ? >
>>>> I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to NOT update
>>>> or sync or anything .. but I'm not optimistic.
>>>> John T.
>>>>
>>>
>>>We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
>>>phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
>>>all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
>>>communications.
>>>
>>>Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
>>>incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
>>>your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
>>>those spam text messages you receive. We felt it was likely that we'd
>>>end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
>>>undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
>>>for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
>>>updates. Too much frustration and bother to deal with. We figured we'd
>>>end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
>>>the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
>>>chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>>>
>>>Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
>>>anniversary since we started the plan. I wonder if it will really be
>>>free beginning the 8th year? :-).
>>
>>
>>Spam-texts don't bother me at all - I get very few of them -
>> - @ 15 cents. Spam calls or voicemails don't cost me anything.
>>Data is another kettle-of-maggoty-fish .. 15 cents per mbyte !
>> . . used $ 5. in the first couple hours - all in the background -
>> - until I found the google-pirates and turned them off
>>< play store and something else >
>> John T.
> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi
>

Yep - done. but on those occasions that I wish to turn on
and use cell data - I don't want 2 or 3 months worth of
updates / notifications / sync's etc costing me unnecessary
money. I thought that I had ~ everything turned off before
turning on the data - as a test - but I missed a couple
google things .. < it's a google Pixel phone >
If I can get occasional needed cell data for under $ 10. a pop
it'll take me a while to eat up the $ 300. in my account.
John T. < not optimistic >

On 1/4/2022 2:29 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 16:46:39 -0500, Clare Snyder <clare@snyder.on.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:49:23 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 14:14:52 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/4/2022 1:30 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:03:08 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/4/2022 11:37 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 09:02:38 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only just upgraded from my " Motorola-berry " :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_defy_pro_xt560-4868.php
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was still working like a champ < except for internet >
>>>>>>>> ... nice size and easy to hang-on-to ..
>>>>>>>> John T.
>>>>>>> Just scrapped about 10 BB10 devices - 2 still in their boxes that I
>>>>>>> had "inherited". I stopped using them and went to "the dark side" when
>>>>>>> my hearing aids would only communicate with I-Phones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We just scrapped our two Nokia 6030 2G/3G "candy bar" phones. Great
>>>>>> battery life, excellent call quality, light weight, small enough to fit
>>>>>> almost anywhere. Now we have two heavy, large, much more expensive 5G
>>>>>> "smart phones". Old accounts (pay as you go, unused minutes rolled over
>>>>>> for a full year) cost us only $10/year (not a misprint) to keep each
>>>>>> phone number "live". We only have need for something that makes and
>>>>>> receives calls in emergencies, not something that replicates anything we
>>>>>> can do on our desk top PCs. New account costs $70/month for the two
>>>>>> numbers. Progress? For the telecom company and the phone manufacturer
>>>>>> yes, but not for us!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My pre-paid requires $ 100. for 1 year.
>>>>> I've accumulated over $ 300. over 10 years so I'll experiment with
>>>>> some very limited data use - keep it disabled until needed and
>>>>> hope that the apps and greedy google don't break-the-bank during the
>>>>> brief periods of data-enabled usage ... < ? >
>>>>> I have scoured the menus and set as much as possible to NOT update
>>>>> or sync or anything .. but I'm not optimistic.
>>>>> John T.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We decided that with all the functions and apps built-in to the smart
>>>> phones, it would be almost impossible as non-techies to find and disable
>>>> all of them from using data except for those required to enable voice
>>>> communications.
>>>>
>>>> Even so, with pay as you go, if you accidentally answer a robocall or an
>>>> incoming misdial, you pay. Unless you have all text messages blocked on
>>>> your account by the wireless provider, you're paying for every one of
>>>> those spam text messages you receive. We felt it was likely that we'd
>>>> end up paying for a lot of spam text messages and data usage for
>>>> undesired phones calls we answered, and/or updates we could have done
>>>> for free via wifi by missing some setting that would forced wifi-only
>>>> updates. Too much frustration and bother to deal with. We figured we'd
>>>> end up spending each month at least 1/2 of what we ended up paying for
>>>> the 2-line unlimited talk, text and data plan ($35/month per line) we
>>>> chose (T-Mobile 2-line Magenta 55+ with autopay).
>>>>
>>>> Supposedly our total cost per month will drop $10/month at each 1 year
>>>> anniversary since we started the plan. I wonder if it will really be
>>>> free beginning the 8th year? :-).
>>>
>>>
>>> Spam-texts don't bother me at all - I get very few of them -
>>> - @ 15 cents. Spam calls or voicemails don't cost me anything.
>>> Data is another kettle-of-maggoty-fish .. 15 cents per mbyte !
>>> . . used $ 5. in the first couple hours - all in the background -
>>> - until I found the google-pirates and turned them off
>>> < play store and something else >
>>> John T.
>> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi
>>
>
>
> Yep - done. but on those occasions that I wish to turn on
> and use cell data - I don't want 2 or 3 months worth of
> updates / notifications / sync's etc costing me unnecessary
> money. I thought that I had ~ everything turned off before
> turning on the data - as a test - but I missed a couple
> google things .. < it's a google Pixel phone >
> If I can get occasional needed cell data for under $ 10. a pop
> it'll take me a while to eat up the $ 300. in my account.
> John T. < not optimistic >
>

Make sure you set it to ONLY accept updates or syncing from WiFi.

>>> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>>> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yep - done. but on those occasions that I wish to turn on
>> and use cell data - I don't want 2 or 3 months worth of
>> updates / notifications / sync's etc costing me unnecessary
>> money. I thought that I had ~ everything turned off before
>> turning on the data - as a test - but I missed a couple
>> google things .. < it's a google Pixel phone >
>> If I can get occasional needed cell data for under $ 10. a pop
>> it'll take me a while to eat up the $ 300. in my account.
>> John T. < not optimistic >
>>
>
>Make sure you set it to ONLY accept updates or syncing from WiFi.
>

I'll look for that menu for sure ! .. but it seems like the
updates and app notifications are the bread & butter
after the apps themselves .. and not very easy to disable.
John T.

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:29:39 -0500, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 03:51:55 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
>>>>>>>> <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
Thde secret is to have all that crap looked after via wifo on an as
required basis. Then when youturn on Data it only uses the data for
what you are turning it on for.

On 1/4/2022 4:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>
> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi

If I leave the airplane mode off but turn off data (the icon with the up
and down arrows), doesn't that disable the voice telephone function for
both incoming and outgoing voice phone calls (assuming out of range of a
safe wifi signal)?

On 1/5/2022 10:11 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 1/4/2022 4:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>
>>   Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi
>
> If I leave the airplane mode off but turn off data (the icon with the up
> and down arrows), doesn't that disable the voice telephone function for
> both incoming and outgoing voice phone calls (assuming out of range of a
> safe wifi signal)?

No, and the "data" used for voice is not counted against your data quota.

Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote
> Clare Snyder wrote

>> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi

> If I leave the airplane mode off but turn off data (the icon with the up
> and down arrows), doesn't that disable the voice telephone function for
> both incoming and outgoing voice phone calls (assuming out of range of a
> safe wifi signal)?

Nope, I used to do that on a previous phone plan which charged a stupid
price for data moved and which had no calls or data included, you just
paid for phone calls, texts and data as you used that stuff and there was
no monthly fee at all. I still have one of those in my backup smartphone.

Phone calls and texts work fine with data turned off.

MMSs don’t, you need data turned on for those.

On 1/5/2022 2:14 PM, % wrote:
> Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote
>> Clare Snyder wrote
>
>>> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>>> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi
>
>> If I leave the airplane mode off but turn off data (the icon with the
>> up and down arrows), doesn't that disable the voice telephone function
>> for both incoming and outgoing voice phone calls (assuming out of
>> range of a safe wifi signal)?
>
> Nope, I used to do that on a previous phone plan which charged a stupid
> price for data moved and which had no calls or data included, you just
> paid for phone calls, texts and data as you used that stuff and there was
> no monthly fee at all. I still have one of those in my backup smartphone.
>
> Phone calls and texts work fine with data turned off.
>
> MMSs don’t, you need data turned on for those.
Thanks Bob F and %! I learned something important today thanks to you
both. I didn't realize that the bit and bytes that make up a digital
phone connection aren't considered "data" in the context of smart phone
definitions. I had assumed that data was data regardless of what
purpose that data was serving. Appreciate the lesson.

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 13:11:04 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>On 1/4/2022 4:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>
>> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi
>
>If I leave the airplane mode off but turn off data (the icon with the up
>and down arrows), doesn't that disable the voice telephone function for
>both incoming and outgoing voice phone calls (assuming out of range of a
>safe wifi signal)?
No, data is data - unless you shut off the "network" access you
still get phone calls

On 1/6/2022 6:59 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 13:11:04 -0500, Retirednoguilt
> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/4/2022 4:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>
>>> Just turn off network data and nothing can syphon off money from your
>>> account - and all fuctionality is availble over wi-fi
>>
>> If I leave the airplane mode off but turn off data (the icon with the up
>> and down arrows), doesn't that disable the voice telephone function for
>> both incoming and outgoing voice phone calls (assuming out of range of a
>> safe wifi signal)?
> No, data is data - unless you shut off the "network" access you
> still get phone calls

Phone calls actually are data on volte calls, they just are not counted
against your data quota.