Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.

“He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to him, he was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he forgot to stuff something in the mouth, this is according to him, and embalming fluid started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of flow was too fast, or something grotesque like that, and a hose blew. He can be quite dramatic.

(Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )

context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office.
2) Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because he is suspected to have been involved in murders.
3) It's known that the suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a lung disease for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the suspect's attending physician.
4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At a funeral home he was working for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde in embalming a body.

question: about "a hose blew."
I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.
Does this mean:
1) a hose was ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from the hose and the mouth.
?

In article <ecc4d73e-a441-44f4-92ec-9f5e9dc802b7n@googlegroups.com>, tonbei
<autosu@infoseek.jp> wrote:
> Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.

> ”He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his
> chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit
> strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to him,
> he was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he forgot to
> stuff something in the mouth, this is according to him, and embalming
> fluid started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of flow was too
> fast, or something grotesque like that, and a hose blew. He can be quite
> dramatic.

> (Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )

> context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office. 2)
> Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because he is
> suspected to have been involved in murders. 3) It's known that the
> suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a lung
> disease for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the
> suspect's attending physician. 4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At
> a funeral home he was working for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde
> in embalming a body.

> question: about "a hose blew." I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.
> Does this mean: 1) a hose was ripped by the liquid flowing too much
> through it, 2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid
> flowed out from the hose and the mouth. ?

The hose simply burst.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT), tonbei <autosu@infoseek.jp>
wrote:

>Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.
>
>“He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to him, he was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he forgot to stuff something in the mouth, this is according to him, and embalming fluid started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of flow was too fast, or something grotesque like that, and a hose blew. He can be quite dramatic.
>
>(Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )
>
>context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office.
>2) Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because he is suspected to have been involved in murders.
>3) It's known that the suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a lung disease for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the suspect's attending physician.
>4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At a funeral home he was working for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde in embalming a body.
>
>question: about "a hose blew."
>I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.
>Does this mean:
>1) a hose was ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
>2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from the hose and the mouth.
>?

Either 1) or 2). What is described is that the hose no longer worked
as intended. It's not explained why, only that it no longer worked as
intended. In other conditions, it would be assumed that 1) is the
answer, but 2) could apply in this particular situation.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

On Wednesday, TonyCooper exclaimed wildly:
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT), tonbei <autosu@infoseek.jp>
> wrote:
>
>> Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.
>>
>> “He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his
>> chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit
>> strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to him, he
>> was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he forgot to stuff
>> something in the mouth, this is according to him, and embalming fluid
>> started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of flow was too fast, or
>> something grotesque like that, and a hose blew. He can be quite dramatic.
>>
>> (Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )
>>
>> context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office.
>> 2) Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because he is
>> suspected to have been involved in murders. 3) It's known that the
>> suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a lung disease
>> for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the suspect's attending
>> physician. 4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At a funeral home he was
>> working for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde in embalming a body.
>>
>> question: about "a hose blew."
>> I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.
>> Does this mean:
>> 1) a hose was ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
>> 2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from the
>> hose and the mouth. ?
>
> Either 1) or 2). What is described is that the hose no longer worked
> as intended. It's not explained why, only that it no longer worked as
> intended. In other conditions, it would be assumed that 1) is the
> answer, but 2) could apply in this particular situation.

2) shouldn't apply, because embalming fluid is injected into an artery
of the deceased, per the World Wide Web [1]. Given that, 1) doesn't
sound likely, either. I admit my search was quick, and that it is
possible that the formaldehyde and stuff does get into the gut at some
point during the procedure. Okay, so I looked at one of the sources a
bit longer, and learned that a trocar is inserted into the abdomen near
the navel, and that sucks up fluids from the guts and lungs. It sounds
like the trocar is also used to apply "cavity fluid", so if you the
embalmer overdo it, perhaps it can bubble out the mouth, but that
sounds more like a valve failing than a hose blowing.

/dps

[1] let me ram home a few urls:

<URL:https://allstarce.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Embalming-Chemicals-2016.pdf>
(notes that formaldehyde is water soluble)
<URL:https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/afterlife/embalming4.htm>
<URL:https://funerals.org/?consumers=embalming-what-you-should-know>

/dps

--
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does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are
the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us
ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)

On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:26:23 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, TonyCooper exclaimed wildly:
>> On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT), tonbei <autosu@infoseek.jp>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.
>>>
>>> “He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his
>>> chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit
>>> strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to him, he
>>> was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he forgot to stuff
>>> something in the mouth, this is according to him, and embalming fluid
>>> started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of flow was too fast, or
>>> something grotesque like that, and a hose blew. He can be quite dramatic.
>>>
>>> (Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )
>>>
>>> context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office.
>>> 2) Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because he is
>>> suspected to have been involved in murders. 3) It's known that the
>>> suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a lung disease
>>> for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the suspect's attending
>>> physician. 4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At a funeral home he was
>>> working for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde in embalming a body.
>>>
>>> question: about "a hose blew."
>>> I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.
>>> Does this mean:
>>> 1) a hose was ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
>>> 2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from the
>>> hose and the mouth. ?
>>
>> Either 1) or 2). What is described is that the hose no longer worked
>> as intended. It's not explained why, only that it no longer worked as
>> intended. In other conditions, it would be assumed that 1) is the
>> answer, but 2) could apply in this particular situation.
>
>2) shouldn't apply, because embalming fluid is injected into an artery
>of the deceased, per the World Wide Web [1]. Given that, 1) doesn't
>sound likely, either. I admit my search was quick, and that it is
>possible that the formaldehyde and stuff does get into the gut at some
>point during the procedure. Okay, so I looked at one of the sources a
>bit longer, and learned that a trocar is inserted into the abdomen near
>the navel, and that sucks up fluids from the guts and lungs. It sounds
>like the trocar is also used to apply "cavity fluid", so if you the
>embalmer overdo it, perhaps it can bubble out the mouth, but that
>sounds more like a valve failing than a hose blowing.
>

All well and good, but the question is not if the anecdote could be
true, but about what is being described in that sentence. In this
case, what should the reader think "a hose blew" describes. The post
does not question if a hose would be used in that way.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

Remember when TonyCooper bragged outrageously? That was Wednesday:
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 19:26:23 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, TonyCooper exclaimed wildly:
>>> On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT), tonbei <autosu@infoseek.jp>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.
>>>>
>>>> “He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his
>>>> chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit
>>>> strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to him,
>>>> he was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he forgot to
>>>> stuff something in the mouth, this is according to him, and embalming
>>>> fluid started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of flow was too
>>>> fast, or something grotesque like that, and a hose blew. He can be quite
>>>> dramatic.
>>>>
>>>> (Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )
>>>>
>>>> context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office.
>>>> 2) Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because he
>>>> is suspected to have been involved in murders. 3) It's known that the
>>>> suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a lung
>>>> disease for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the
>>>> suspect's attending physician. 4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At
>>>> a funeral home he was working for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde
>>>> in embalming a body.
>>>>
>>>> question: about "a hose blew."
>>>> I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.
>>>> Does this mean:
>>>> 1) a hose was ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
>>>> 2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from
>>>> the hose and the mouth. ?
>>>
>>> Either 1) or 2). What is described is that the hose no longer worked
>>> as intended. It's not explained why, only that it no longer worked as
>>> intended. In other conditions, it would be assumed that 1) is the
>>> answer, but 2) could apply in this particular situation.
>>
>> 2) shouldn't apply, because embalming fluid is injected into an artery
>> of the deceased, per the World Wide Web [1]. Given that, 1) doesn't
>> sound likely, either. I admit my search was quick, and that it is
>> possible that the formaldehyde and stuff does get into the gut at some
>> point during the procedure. Okay, so I looked at one of the sources a
>> bit longer, and learned that a trocar is inserted into the abdomen near
>> the navel, and that sucks up fluids from the guts and lungs. It sounds
>> like the trocar is also used to apply "cavity fluid", so if you the
>> embalmer overdo it, perhaps it can bubble out the mouth, but that
>> sounds more like a valve failing than a hose blowing.
>>
>
> All well and good, but the question is not if the anecdote could be
> true, but about what is being described in that sentence. In this
> case, what should the reader think "a hose blew" describes. The post
> does not question if a hose would be used in that way.

Yep, you're right. And "He [Edgar Allen] can be quite dramatic"

/dps

--
You could try being nicer and politer
> instead, and see how that works out.
-- Katy Jennison

On 2023-04-19 15:59:34 +0000, tonbei said:

> Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.
>
> “He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his
> chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit
> strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to
> him, he was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he
> forgot to stuff something in the mouth, this is according to him, and
> embalming fluid started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of
> flow was too fast, or something grotesque like that, and a hose blew.
> He can be quite dramatic.
>
> (Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )
>
> context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office.
> 2) Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because
> he is suspected to have been involved in murders. 3) It's known that
> the suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a
> lung disease for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the
> suspect's attending physician.
> 4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At a funeral home he was working
> for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde in embalming a body.
> question: about "a hose blew."
> I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.Does this mean:1) a hose was
> ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
> 2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from
> the hose and the mouth.
> ?

navi would do well to study this example to better understand why
context is useful, and why it's necessary to know what happened before
and after some phrase one hasread or heard in order to explain it. It's
best to ignore the nasty little man's comments as he was more
interested in trying to start a fight than he was in addressing navi's
question in a serious way.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, TonyCooper exclaimed wildly:
> > On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT), tonbei <autosu@infoseek.jp>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.
> >>
> >> ?He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his
> >> chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit
> >> strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to him, he
> >> was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he forgot to stuff
> >> something in the mouth, this is according to him, and embalming fluid
> >> started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of flow was too fast, or
> >> something grotesque like that, and a hose blew. He can be quite dramatic.
> >>
> >> (Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )
> >>
> >> context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office. 2)
> >> Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because he
> >> is suspected to have been involved in murders. 3) It's known that the
> >> suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a lung
> >> disease for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the
> >> suspect's attending physician. 4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At
> >> a funeral home he was working for, he accidentally inhaled
> >> formaldehyde in embalming a body.
> >>
> >> question: about "a hose blew."
> >> I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.
> >> Does this mean:
> >> 1) a hose was ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
> >> 2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from
> >> the hose and the mouth. ?
> >
> > Either 1) or 2). What is described is that the hose no longer worked
> > as intended. It's not explained why, only that it no longer worked as
> > intended. In other conditions, it would be assumed that 1) is the
> > answer, but 2) could apply in this particular situation.
>
> 2) shouldn't apply, because embalming fluid is injected into an artery
> of the deceased, per the World Wide Web [1]. Given that, 1) doesn't
> sound likely, either. I admit my search was quick, and that it is
> possible that the formaldehyde and stuff does get into the gut at some
> point during the procedure. Okay, so I looked at one of the sources a
> bit longer, and learned that a trocar is inserted into the abdomen near
> the navel, and that sucks up fluids from the guts and lungs. It sounds
> like the trocar is also used to apply "cavity fluid", so if you the
> embalmer overdo it, perhaps it can bubble out the mouth, but that
> sounds more like a valve failing than a hose blowing.

It is obvious from the description that something went badly wrong.
Far too much pressure appears to have been applied.
If the tube carrying the fluid burst
it is quite likely that arteries would have burst too,
so fluid coming out of the lungs through the mouth is not surprising,

Jan

On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 3:46:17 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-04-19 15:59:34 +0000, tonbei said:
>
> > Let me ask a question about the following sentences from a novel.
> >
> > “He said he got splashed one day and inhaled formaldehyde. It's in his
> > chart. He had a rather grotesque story about it. Edgar Allan's a bit
> > strange, I 'll give you that. I 've always known that. According to
> > him, he was working in the funeral home and embalming a body and he
> > forgot to stuff something in the mouth, this is according to him, and
> > embalming fluid started bubbling out of the mouth because the rate of
> > flow was too fast, or something grotesque like that, and a hose blew.
> > He can be quite dramatic.
> >
> > (Trace, page 370 by P. Cornwell )
> >
> > context: 1) Key Scarpetta is now in Stanley's medical office.
> > 2) Scarpetta has been gathering information about Edgar Allan because
> > he is suspected to have been involved in murders. 3) It's known that
> > the suspected murderer has been a patient of Stanley's becasue of a
> > lung disease for long years. So she is at the office to talk with the
> > suspect's attending physician.
> > 4) How Edgar Allan got the disease? At a funeral home he was working
> > for, he accidentally inhaled formaldehyde in embalming a body.
> > question: about "a hose blew."
> > I couldn't get a sense of "blow" here.Does this mean:1) a hose was
> > ripped by the liquid flowing too much through it,
> > 2) a hose was disloged out of the mouth, and the liquid flowed out from
> > the hose and the mouth.
> > ?
> navi would do well to study this example to better understand why
> context is useful, and why it's necessary to know what happened before
> and after some phrase one hasread or heard in order to explain it. It's
> best to ignore the nasty little man's comments as he was more
> interested in trying to start a fight than he was in addressing navi's
> question in a serious way.

Apparently Mister Nasty Xenophobe failed to notice the extended
excerpt provided above the query, aka "context."

Snidely's investigation suggests that perhaps Ms. Cornwell's own
research was inadequate.

Speaking of context, Mister Nasty Xenophobe apparently believes
that all alloglots are one, since he offers advice to arthur-Navi in
tonbei's thread, while any observant AUEista knows well that neither
of them consults threads other than their own.