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* The future continuous or the present simple?Ivy Fad
+- Re: The future continuous or the present simple?Ken Blake
+- Re: The future continuous or the present simple?Stefan Ram
+* Re: The future continuous or the present simple?Paul Carmichael
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Subject: The future continuous or the present simple?
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 by: Ivy Fad - Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:20 UTC

Are both idiomatic?

1 I'll come home late tomorrow. I am dining out with my friend. (a plan)

2 I'll come home late tomorrow. I will be dining out with my friend.

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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:22 UTC

On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:20:29 -0800 (PST), Ivy Fad
<helpincrim@gmail.com> wrote:

>Are both idiomatic?

Yes. 2 is more accurate, but both are sufficiently idiomatic to be
understood.

>1 I'll come home late tomorrow. I am dining out with my friend. (a plan)
>
>2 I'll come home late tomorrow. I will be dining out with my friend.

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 by: Stefan Ram - Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:33 UTC

Ivy Fad <helpincrim@gmail.com> writes:
>Are both idiomatic?
>1 I'll come home late tomorrow. I am dining out with my friend. (a plan)
>2 I'll come home late tomorrow. I will be dining out with my friend.

"Going to" is missing from the above list! It is used when
the decision was made before the moment of speaking.

The present is used
- for a timetabled event in the future and
- after "before", "after", "as soon as", "until, and "when".

In Japanese, you simply say "明日は" (i.e., "tomorrow") at
the start and then use the same tense as for the present.

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Subject: Re: The future continuous or the present simple?
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 by: Paul Carmichael - Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:37 UTC

El Thu, 22 Dec 2022 07:20:29 -0800, Ivy Fad escribió:

> Are both idiomatic?
>
> 1 I'll come home late tomorrow. I am dining out with my friend. (a plan)
>
> 2 I'll come home late tomorrow. I will be dining out with my friend.

Just to be picky, not future, but simply intention :-)

English doesn't have a future tense.

A side note: If you're going to contract on the left, shouldn't you do
the same on the right?

"I'll be/arrive/be arriving home late tommorow as I'm dining out with a
friend", is what I'd say.

There are 2 changes there: the consequence of the action "be/arrive" has
more relevance than the action of coming and changing "my" to 'a'
suggests that you have more than one friend (which may or may not be
true).

--
Paul.

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Thu, 22 Dec 2022 15:46 UTC

On 22/12/2022 3:37 pm, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> English doesn't have a future tense.

You say tomayto and I say tomahto; you say "periphrastic
constructions involving modals such as will, shall, and going
to", and I say "future tense". Let's call the whole thing off.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:12 UTC

On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 10:20:31 AM UTC-5, Ivy Fad wrote:

> Are both idiomatic?
>
> 1 I'll come home late tomorrow. I am dining out with my friend. (a plan)
>
> 2 I'll come home late tomorrow. I will be dining out with my friend.

Both are fine, if a bit stilted.
"I'll be home late tomorrow, I'm / I'll be going out for dinner with a friend."

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 by: lar3ryca - Thu, 22 Dec 2022 17:00 UTC

On 2022-12-22 09:46, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 22/12/2022 3:37 pm, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> English doesn't have a future tense.
>
> You say tomayto and I say tomahto; you say "periphrastic constructions
> involving modals such as will, shall, and going to", and I say "future
> tense". Let's call the whole thing off.

You say 'tomahto', and Americans say "Do those trousers come in an
extra-large with an elastic waistband?"
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