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* in the works/under wayIvy Fad
+- Re: in the works/under wayRichard Heathfield
+- Re: in the works/under waybil...@shaw.ca
+* Re: in the works/under wayKen Blake
|`- Re: in the works/under waySnidely
+- Re: in the works/under wayPeter T. Daniels
`- Re: in the works/under wayPeter Moylan

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Subject: in the works/under way
From: helpinc...@gmail.com (Ivy Fad)
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 by: Ivy Fad - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 09:04 UTC

Dictionary says that:
under way - In progress; having begun
in the works - In progress; being completed or implemented

They drastically overlap. Can you draw a definite line between the two?

We have a plan which is in the works.
We have a plan which is under way.

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 09:26 UTC

On 17/12/2022 9:04 am, Ivy Fad wrote:
> Dictionary says that:
> under way - In progress; having begun
> in the works - In progress; being completed or implemented
>
> They drastically overlap. Can you draw a definite line between the two?
>
> We have a plan which is in the works.
> We have a plan which is under way.

"Under way" suggests actual movement - e.g. a ship travelling
through the water.

"In the works" suggests to me that it's still on the assembly
line, and it may well be stuck there until Stan gets his big
hammer back from Nobby.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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Subject: Re: in the works/under way
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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 09:34 UTC

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:04:53 AM UTC-8, Ivy Fad wrote:

> Dictionary says that:

> under way - In progress; having begun

I agree that "under way" usually means that work on the project has begun.

> in the works - In progress; being completed or implemented

I disagree with your definition of "in the works". In my English, it usually means
that plans are being worked on. It does not usually mean that the actual work
has begun. It's typically what a politician says when trying to find support
for a project that does not have official approval or a budget yet.

> They drastically overlap. Can you draw a definite line between the two?
>
> We have a plan which is in the works.
> We have a plan which is under way.

"Under way" means work has begun, which in turn means the project has been
approved and has a budget. "In the works" can mean anything from planning
stages to a budget having been drawn up and the project approved. More
information needed.

bill

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 14:51 UTC

On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 01:04:51 -0800 (PST), Ivy Fad
<helpincrim@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dictionary says that:
>under way - In progress; having begun
>in the works - In progress; being completed or implemented
>
>They drastically overlap. Can you draw a definite line between the two?
>
>We have a plan which is in the works.
>We have a plan which is under way.

To me, either on is OK, but I would write "underway," not "under way."

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Sat, 17 Dec 2022 16:46 UTC

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 4:04:53 AM UTC-5, Ivy Fad wrote:

> Dictionary says that:
> under way - In progress; having begun
> in the works - In progress; being completed or implemented
>
> They drastically overlap. Can you draw a definite line between the two?
>
> We have a plan which is in the works.
> We have a plan which is under way.

"In the works" is more informal than "under way." (Yes, two words.)

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sun, 18 Dec 2022 00:30 UTC

On 17/12/22 20:04, Ivy Fad wrote:

> Dictionary says that:
> under way - In progress; having begun
> in the works - In progress; being completed or implemented
>
> They drastically overlap. Can you draw a definite line between the two?
>
> We have a plan which is in the works.
> We have a plan which is under way.

We have a plan which is been in the works for the past twenty years, and
which might or might not get under way before the next election.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Snidely - Sun, 18 Dec 2022 07:19 UTC

Lo, on the 12/17/2022, Ken Blake did proclaim ...
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 01:04:51 -0800 (PST), Ivy Fad
> <helpincrim@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dictionary says that:
>> under way - In progress; having begun
>> in the works - In progress; being completed or implemented
>>
>> They drastically overlap. Can you draw a definite line between the two?
>>
>> We have a plan which is in the works.
>> We have a plan which is under way.
>
>
> To me, either on is OK, but I would write "underway," not "under way."

I don't think I would be consistently using either way. It might be
influenced by whether I have any way on, or am still and reflecting.

/dps

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