On Saturday, September 23, 2006 at 1:16:41 PM UTC-4, Tinny Ray wrote:
> A lot of fascinating research examines philology: the study of literary
> texts and civilizations, often concentrating on Rome and Greece. Some
> researchers examine the influence of Rome upon American government and
> society, and they fear the totalitarian system that led to Rome's
> downfall. Those worries have relevance today in the enormous size and
> scope of government in the USA and its growing police state.
> http://rexcurry.net/american-philological-association-apa.html
> Philology has gained some amazing recent discoveries. Recently, the
> noted philologer Dr. Rex Curry proved that the so-called "ancient Roman
> salute" (the straight-arm salute later used by the National Socialist
> German Workers' Party (NSGWP)) did not exist in ancient Rome and that
> it originated in the USA's early Pledge of Allegiance (1892).
> Philologist Curry showed that the USA's early pledge of allegiance to
> the flag used a straight-arm salute and it was the source of the salute
> of the monstrous German National Socialists. The "ancient Roman salute"
> is a modern myth that grew during and after the lives of Edward Bellamy
> (1850-1898) and Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). The myth is still
> repeated in efforts to cover-up Dr. Curry's ground-breaking work.
> http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html
> Information from the American Philological Association (APA) supports
> Dr. Rex Curry's work. The American Philological Association (APA),
> founded in 1869 by "professors, friends, and patrons of linguistic
> science," is now the principal learned society in North America for the
> study of ancient Greek and Roman languages, literatures, and
> civilizations.
> An abstract from the APA states that the raised-arm salute was used in
> fictional Roman scenes in these films: the American "Ben-Hur" (1907),
> the Italian "Nerone" (1908), "Spartaco" (1914), and "Cabiria" (1914).
> Those scenes helped lead to the "Roman salute" myth. Dr. Curry pointed
> out that the APA abstract was uninformed about the fact that the Pledge
> of Allegiance pre-dated all of the films cited and that the pledge was
> the source of the salute used in the films.
> More support for Dr. Curry's work also comes from the Oxford English
> Dictionary (OED).
> http://rexcurry.net/roman-salute-oxford-english-dictionary.html
> Many books about philology mention the work of the German archaeologist
> Heinrich Schliemann. In 1873, he excavated what he believed to be Troy.
> Troy is a legendary city, described in the Iliad, one of the two epic
> poems attributed to Homer and it influenced Rome.
> Schleimann found examples of the swastika symbol during his exploration
> of Troy, and his discovery later influenced the use of the symbol in
> the NSGWP. Over a century after Schleimann's work, there was another
> discovery by Professor Curry: Although the swastika was an ancient
> symbol, it was also used sometimes by the National Socialist German
> Workers' Party to represent meshed "S" letters for their "socialism."
> The leader of German National Socialists turned the symbol 45 degrees
> to the horizontal and oriented it to always point clockwise. Although
> it was an ancient symbol, was used sometimes by the German National
> Socialists to represent overlapping S-shaped figures for their
> "socialism." He altered his own signature to use the same symbolism and
> similar alphabetic symbolism still shows on Volkswagens. Similar to a
> Roman Standard, he put it on the national flag and turned it into a
> military rallying point.
> http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html
> The symbol was used in a war worse than a thousand Trojan Wars. In
> 1939, the National Socialist German Workers' Party joined with the
> Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to invade Poland in a pact to
> divide up Europe. The socialist philosophy had similarities to Rome in
> glorifying the military, authoritarianism, slavery and conquest and it
> led to the worst slaughter of humanity ever. How many people died in
> the Trojan War? Few compared to the number killed in the socialist
> Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): the Union of Soviet
> Socialist Republics (62 million dead), the Peoples' Republic of China
> (49 million dead), the National Socialist German Workers' Party (21
> million dead).
> Many books attribute large Roman influence upon Germany and the United
> States. One parallel between the three is that they both developed
> large authoritarian governments. The present government in the USA is
> anti libertarian and is out-socializing the previous administration by
> more than double and growing (in social spending ALONE).
> Another parallel between Germany and Rome is that they both persecuted
> people who did not adopt the official dogma. Specific groups of people
> were persecuted in Rome and Germany.
> It helps to show how close the USA moved toward (and is still moving
> toward) the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part).
> Many Americans serve as sad examples of how authoritarian governments
> come into existence, grow so large, last so long, and kill so many. The
> dogma of socialism and human sacrifice is still growing all over the
> world.
> The USA still follows similar anti libertarian policies promoted by the
> Bellamys. Many socialist Bellamy policies caused the USA's big,
> expensive and oppressive government and its growing police-state. It
> caused the Great Socialist Depression (from the Federal Reserve Act of
> 1913, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act 1930 etc) that persisted and even
> lasted through U.S. involvement in WWII. The Pledge still exists along
> with laws mandating that teachers lead the robotic pledge chanting
> every day for twelve years of each child's life (though the salute
> was altered). The government still owns and operates schools, including
> the same schools that imposed segregation by law and taught racism as
> official government policy. The U.S. practice of imposing segregation
> by law in government schools and teaching racism as official policy
> even outlasted the National Socialist German Workers' Party by over 15
> years. After segregation in government's schools ended, the Bellamy
> legacy caused more police-state racism of forced busing that destroyed
> communities and neighborhoods and deepened hostilities. Those schools
> still exist. Infants are given social security numbers (socialist
> slave numbers) that track and tax them for life. Government schools
> demand the numbers for enrollment.
Rex Curry, the noted historian, is a national treasure in the USA. Dr. Curry is famous for many discoveries: “USA’s Pledge of Allegiance to the flag is origin of Nazi salute and Nazi behavior” and “military salute led to Nazi salute” and “Roman salute myth came from Rome, New York (not Rome, Italy).”

The pledge's hand gesture described by Francis Bellamy resulted in the classic "Nazi" salute because the ritual began with a military salute that was then extended outward toward the flag (in practice, that resulted in the final gesture being stiff and palm-down as performed by children in schools). The military salute (the initial gesture in Bellamy's pledge) was the origin of the Nazi salute.

Dr. Curry also showed that Hitler used the so-called swastika symbol to represent "S" letter shapes for his "socialism." All other historians did not see. Do you not see? "Nazis" did not call themselves "Nazis" (nor "Fascists," nor "Third Reich"). They described themselves as "socialists" (by the very word) in voluminous speeches and writings.
Soviet socialism and German socialism partnered to launch WWII, invading Poland together, and going onward from there, killing millions, in a secret conspiracy for International Socialism.

On 2022-11-19 06:39:13 +0000, Edward Bellamy said:

>
> [ … ]
a pile of spam about America's treasure, Rex Curry

>
--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On 19/11/22 17:39, Edward Bellamy wrote:

> Soviet socialism and German socialism partnered to launch WWII,
> invading Poland together, and going onward from there, killing
> millions, in a secret conspiracy for International Socialism.

A conspiracy so secret that neither the Nazis nor the Russian communists
ever found out about it. That's why they kept killing each other.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:05:01 PM UTC-5, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 19/11/22 17:39, Edward Bellamy wrote:
>
> > Soviet socialism and German socialism partnered to launch WWII,
> > invading Poland together, and going onward from there, killing
> > millions, in a secret conspiracy for International Socialism.
> A conspiracy so secret that neither the Nazis nor the Russian communists
> ever found out about it. That's why they kept killing each other.
> --
> Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
Jesse Kelly is ignorant of the fact that Hitler did not refer to his group as "Nazis" nor "The Nazi Party" nor "Fascists" (Hitler called his movement "SOCIALISM" by the very word in voluminous speeches and writings). You sound ignorant when you talk about this as you sounded ignorant on your July 14 radio show where you discussed whether WW2 would have occurred if Hitler had been killed early. You always pose it as “Nazis” vs. “Communists” which makes it appear as if you are covering up for SOCIALISM (what both sides called themselves, e.g. Stalin & Hitler -each one called himself SOCIALIST). Your book the Anticommunist Manifesto also displays this ignorant of yours. You also have a bad habit of leaving out how German socialism and Soviet socialism joined to launch WW2, invading Poland together and onward, in a conspiracy for international SOCIALISM. You love to criticize “Communists” and “Nazis” and you leave SOCIALISTS unscathed. Again, you sound ignorant of the fact that Hitler did not call his group "Nazis" nor "Fascists." When you use those words you are repeating socialist BS that you have been brainwashed with all of your life. Stop doing that.

The following is a list of topics that “Conservative, Republican, Libertarian” types have in common with socialists:
1. They won't cover Hitler as a socialist; They are ignorant of the fact that Hitler et al did not describe their movement with the words “Nazi, Fascist, Third Reich, nor Swastika.” They are ignorant of the fact that Hitler’s ilk described themselves as “Socialist” (by the very word) in their voluminous speeches and writings.
2. They won't cohesively cover Soviet socialism, Chinese socialism, and German socialism (all three together). They want to separate out German socialism as “different” and not part of the group. Then they want to refer to German socialism as “Nazism” or “Fascism.”
3. They won't cover how Soviet socialism and German socialism partnered to launch WWII, invading Poland together, going onward from there, killing millions, in a secret conspiracy for International Socialism.
4. They won't explain how an American socialist (Francis Bellamy) wrote the Pledge of Allegiance and it was the origin of the “Nazi” salute and “Nazi” behavior adopted later under Hitler’s German socialism (a discovery by the USA's Historian Laureate Dr. Rex Curry).
5. They won't explain the "swastika" as "S" letter shapes to symbolize socialism under Hitler (another discovery by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). They were unable to make the discoveries in #4 & #5 because of their ideological bias. Try harder.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 5:48:56 PM UTC-4, Edward Bellamy wrote:
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:05:01 PM UTC-5, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 19/11/22 17:39, Edward Bellamy wrote:
> >
> > > Soviet socialism and German socialism partnered to launch WWII,
> > > invading Poland together, and going onward from there, killing
> > > millions, in a secret conspiracy for International Socialism.
> > A conspiracy so secret that neither the Nazis nor the Russian communists
> > ever found out about it. That's why they kept killing each other.
> > --
> > Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
> Jesse Kelly is ignorant of the fact that Hitler did not refer to his group as "Nazis" nor "The Nazi Party" nor "Fascists" (Hitler called his movement "SOCIALISM" by the very word in voluminous speeches and writings). You sound ignorant when you talk about this as you sounded ignorant on your July 14 radio show where you discussed whether WW2 would have occurred if Hitler had been killed early. You always pose it as “Nazis” vs. “Communists” which makes it appear as if you are covering up for SOCIALISM (what both sides called themselves, e.g. Stalin & Hitler -each one called himself SOCIALIST). Your book the Anticommunist Manifesto also displays this ignorant of yours. You also have a bad habit of leaving out how German socialism and Soviet socialism joined to launch WW2, invading Poland together and onward, in a conspiracy for international SOCIALISM. You love to criticize “Communists” and “Nazis” and you leave SOCIALISTS unscathed. Again, you sound ignorant of the fact that Hitler did not call his group "Nazis" nor "Fascists." When you use those words you are repeating socialist BS that you have been brainwashed with all of your life. Stop doing that.
>
> The following is a list of topics that “Conservative, Republican, Libertarian” types have in common with socialists:
> 1. They won't cover Hitler as a socialist; They are ignorant of the fact that Hitler et al did not describe their movement with the words “Nazi, Fascist, Third Reich, nor Swastika.” They are ignorant of the fact that Hitler’s ilk described themselves as “Socialist” (by the very word) in their voluminous speeches and writings.
> 2. They won't cohesively cover Soviet socialism, Chinese socialism, and German socialism (all three together). They want to separate out German socialism as “different” and not part of the group. Then they want to refer to German socialism as “Nazism” or “Fascism.”
> 3. They won't cover how Soviet socialism and German socialism partnered to launch WWII, invading Poland together, going onward from there, killing millions, in a secret conspiracy for International Socialism.
> 4. They won't explain how an American socialist (Francis Bellamy) wrote the Pledge of Allegiance and it was the origin of the “Nazi” salute and “Nazi” behavior adopted later under Hitler’s German socialism (a discovery by the USA's Historian Laureate Dr. Rex Curry).
> 5. They won't explain the "swastika" as "S" letter shapes to symbolize socialism under Hitler (another discovery by the historian Dr. Rex Curry). They were unable to make the discoveries in #4 & #5 because of their ideological bias. Try harder.

Dear Dr. Jesse: You are ignorant: Hitler did not refer to his group as "Nazis" or "The Nazi Party" or "Fascists" (Hitler called his movement "SOCIALISM" by the very word in voluminous speeches and writings). You were ignorant the 2nd hour of your 10-20-2023 radio show where you complained about how history is taught (and that made your ignorance especially funny). LOL. You stupidly pose it as “Nazis” vs. “Communists” which shows how you cover up for SOCIALISM (what Stalin & Hitler each called himself as the duo joined to launch WW2 invading Poland and going onward in an INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY for World Socialism). Again, you are ignorant of the fact that Hitler did not call his group "Nazis" nor "Fascists." When you use those words you are repeating Marxist BS that you have been brainwashed with all of your life. Stop doing that.

On 21/11/22 15:04, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 19/11/22 17:39, Edward Bellamy wrote:
>
>> Soviet socialism and German socialism partnered to launch WWII,
>> invading Poland together, and going onward from there, killing
>> millions, in a secret conspiracy for International Socialism.
>
> A conspiracy so secret that neither the Nazis nor the Russian
> communists ever found out about it. That's why they kept killing each
> other.

I had better apologise for this response. At the time I had no idea that
Edward Bellamy (1850-1898) and Rex Curry were well-known crackpots.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:54:28 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:

> I had better apologise for this response. At the time I had no idea that
> Edward Bellamy (1850-1898) and Rex Curry were well-known crackpots.

Is Bellamy known for anything other than composing the Pledge of
Allegiance? (He did not, of course, recommend the "Nazi salute";
that extended-arm gesture was adopted, years later, independently,
from the same source -- "ancient" Rome.)