Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
An ongoing thread went like this:

I said:
I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
one-handed.

Ken Blake then said:
If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
allouatta muslimsis.

And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.

Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
You might want to google for "whoosh" next.

Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.

Thank You

Paul Epstein

* Paul Epstein:

> Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> An ongoing thread went like this:
>
> I said:
> I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> one-handed.
>
> Ken Blake then said:
> If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> allouatta muslimsis.
>
> And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>
> Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>
> Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.

See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>

Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
feeling.

--
Veronica: You named your puppy "The Missus"?
Cliff: Says the owner of a dog named "Pony".
-- Veronica Mars, S04E05

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> * Paul Epstein:
> > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > An ongoing thread went like this:
> >
> > I said:
> > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > one-handed.
> >
> > Ken Blake then said:
> > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > allouatta muslimsis.
> >
> > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> >
> > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> >
> > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>
> Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> feeling.

"muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
so I don't think it's what Ken meant.

It's hard to understand how you can say "whoosh" to indicate that I missed
the point when the point I made was to try to identify the species that Ken
specifically referred to.

Is your point that, since we're in a discussion about monkeys, you're trying to
impersonate a dumbass on the grounds that monkeys and apes are often
caricatured as being like a less intelligent form of human?

Otherwise, I'm just as confused about your point(s) as ever?

Paul Epstein

Le vendredi 18 novembre 2022 à 19:30:00 UTC+1, Paul Epstein a écrit :
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > * Paul Epstein:
> > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > >
> > > I said:
> > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > one-handed.
> > >
> > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > >
> > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > >
> > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > >
> > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> >
> > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > feeling.
> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
>
> It's hard to understand how you can say "whoosh" to indicate that I missed
> the point when the point I made was to try to identify the species that Ken
> specifically referred to.

What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious principles..

>
> Is your point that, since we're in a discussion about monkeys, you're trying to
> impersonate a dumbass on the grounds that monkeys and apes are often
> caricatured as being like a less intelligent form of human?
>
> Otherwise, I'm just as confused about your point(s) as ever?
>
> Paul Epstein

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:14:37 PM UTC-5, Paul Epstein wrote:
> Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> An ongoing thread went like this:
>
> I said:
> I've also observed monkeys

(as separate from gorillas, other apes, gibbons, chimpanzees, bonobos, orangutans, or lemur, loris, or tarsier)

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:41:31 PM UTC, Bebercito wrote:
> Le vendredi 18 novembre 2022 à 19:30:00 UTC+1, Paul Epstein a écrit :
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > > * Paul Epstein:
> > > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > > >
> > > > I said:
> > > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > > one-handed.
> > > >
> > > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > > >
> > > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > > >
> > > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> > >
> > > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > > feeling.
> > "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> > so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> >
> > It's hard to understand how you can say "whoosh" to indicate that I missed
> > the point when the point I made was to try to identify the species that Ken
> > specifically referred to.
> What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
> subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
> to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious principles.

These days, it's probably not considered an acceptable joke anywhere outside India,
but, as an 85 year old, it's an understandable lapse from Ken.

Paul Epstein

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > * Paul Epstein:
> > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > >
> > > I said:
> > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > one-handed.
> > >
> > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > >
> > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > >
> > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > >
> > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> >
> > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > feeling.
> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
....

You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
/Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.

Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
-ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".

https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html

--
Jerry Friedman

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:46:07 PM UTC, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > > * Paul Epstein:
> > > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > > >
> > > > I said:
> > > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > > one-handed.
> > > >
> > > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > > >
> > > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > > >
> > > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> > >
> > > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > > feeling.
> > "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> > so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> ...
>
> You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
>
> Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
> Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
>
> https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
>
> --
> Jerry Friedman

Yes, I was. I didn't expect that this discussion would veer into anti-Islam racism.
When I saw that quote, I assumed that this was a discussion about ancestors of our species.

As I alluded to in my previous posting in this chain, India is unfortunately providing many horrific examples of where
anti-Islam prejudice can lead.

Paul Epstein

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:55:08 PM UTC-5, Paul Epstein wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:46:07 PM UTC, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > > > * Paul Epstein:
> > > > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > I said:
> > > > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > > > one-handed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > > > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> > > >
> > > > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > > > feeling.
> > > "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> > > so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> > ...
> >
> > You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> > muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> > /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
> >
> > Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> > -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
> > Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
> >
> > https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
> >
> > --
> > Jerry Friedman
>
> Yes, I was. I didn't expect that this discussion would veer into anti-Islam racism.

Is that and anti-African racism not typical of the days down market situation?
(or do you have new information for us?)

On 2022-11-18, Jerry Friedman wrote:

> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>> > * Paul Epstein:
>> > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>> > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>> > > An ongoing thread went like this:
>> > >
>> > > I said:
>> > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
>> > > one-handed.
>> > >
>> > > Ken Blake then said:
>> > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>> > > allouatta muslimsis.
>> > >
>> > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>> > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
>> > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>> > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>> > >
>> > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>> > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>> > >
>> > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>> > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>> > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>> >
>> > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>> > feeling.
>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> ...
>
> You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
>
> Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
> Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
>
> https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html

Well, must be the canonical word.

--
I have a great programming joke but it's only
funny on my machine.

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:55:08 PM UTC-5, Paul Epstein wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:46:07 PM UTC, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > > > * Paul Epstein:

> > > > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > > > > I said:
> > > > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > > > one-handed.
> > > > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > > > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > > > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > > > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > > > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> > > > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > > > feeling.
> > > "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> > > so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> > You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> > muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> > /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
> > Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> > -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
> > Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
> > https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
>
> Yes, I was. I didn't expect that this discussion would veer into anti-Islam racism.
> When I saw that quote, I assumed that this was a discussion about ancestors of our species.
>
> As I alluded to in my previous posting in this chain, India is unfortunately providing many horrific examples of where
> anti-Islam prejudice can lead.

Incidentally, in AUE "whoosh" means someone didn't get a joke.
It whooshed over someone's head.

I didn't look up allouatta until just now. It's simply the howler
monkey genus (and hence should be capitalized).

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:04:10 PM UTC, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:55:08 PM UTC-5, Paul Epstein wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:46:07 PM UTC, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
> > > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > > > > * Paul Epstein:
> > > > > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > > > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > > > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I said:
> > > > > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > > > > one-handed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > > > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > > > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > > > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > > > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > > > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > > > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > > > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > > > > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> > > > >
> > > > > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > > > > feeling.
> > > > "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> > > > so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> > > ...
> > >
> > > You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> > > muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> > > /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> > > -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
> > > Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
> > >
> > > https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jerry Friedman
> >
> > Yes, I was. I didn't expect that this discussion would veer into anti-Islam racism.
> Is that and anti-African racism not typical of the days down market situation?
> (or do you have new information for us?)

I have information which is new to me -- Michael Smith has beaten Joe Cullen to reach
the semi-finals of the ongoing Grand Slam of Darts.
I don't have any particularly new information about racism but obviously I don't like it.

Paul Epstein

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:41:28 -0800 (PST), Bebercito
<bebercito@aol.com> wrote:

>Le vendredi 18 novembre 2022 à 19:30:00 UTC+1, Paul Epstein a écrit :
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>> > * Paul Epstein:
>> > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>> > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>> > > An ongoing thread went like this:
>> > >
>> > > I said:
>> > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
>> > > one-handed.
>> > >
>> > > Ken Blake then said:
>> > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>> > > allouatta muslimsis.
>> > >
>> > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>> > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
>> > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>> > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>> > >
>> > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>> > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>> > >
>> > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>> > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>> > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>> >
>> > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>> > feeling.
>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
>>
>> It's hard to understand how you can say "whoosh" to indicate that I missed
>> the point when the point I made was to try to identify the species that Ken
>> specifically referred to.
>
>What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
>subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
>to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious principles.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of explaining.

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 11:46:04 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman
<jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>> > * Paul Epstein:
>> > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>> > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>> > > An ongoing thread went like this:
>> > >
>> > > I said:
>> > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
>> > > one-handed.
>> > >
>> > > Ken Blake then said:
>> > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>> > > allouatta muslimsis.
>> > >
>> > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>> > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
>> > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>> > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>> > >
>> > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>> > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>> > >
>> > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>> > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>> > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>> >
>> > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>> > feeling.
>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
>...
>
>You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
>muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
>/Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
>
>Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin.

My "muslimsis" wasn't meant to be good Latin. My knowledge of Latin is
poor. It was simply a made-up species including the letters m u s l i
m.

> As far as I know,
>-ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
>Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
>
>https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html

* Jerry Friedman:

> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>>> * Paul Epstein:
>>> > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>>> > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>>> > An ongoing thread went like this:
>>> >
>>> > I said:
>>> > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
>>> > one-handed.
>>> >
>>> > Ken Blake then said:
>>> > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>>> > allouatta muslimsis.
>>> >
>>> > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>>> > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
>>> > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>>> > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>>> >
>>> > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>>> > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>>> > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>>> See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>>>
>>> Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>>> feeling.
>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> ...
>
> You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
>
> Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> -ensis refers to geographic origin.

I think you're right. It's just so common in naming species that it
seemed natural.

> With some help from the Latin
> Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

On 18/11/2022 7:17 pm, Paul Epstein wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:41:31 PM UTC, Bebercito wrote:
>> Le vendredi 18 novembre 2022 à 19:30:00 UTC+1, Paul Epstein a écrit :
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>>>> * Paul Epstein:
>>>>> Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>>>>> it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>>>>> An ongoing thread went like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> I said:
>>>>> I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
>>>>> one-handed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken Blake then said:
>>>>> If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>>>>> allouatta muslimsis.
>>>>>
>>>>> And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>>>>> I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
>>>>> 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>>>>> When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>>>>> You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>>>>> Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>>>> See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>>>>
>>>> Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>>>> feeling.
>>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
>>>
>>> It's hard to understand how you can say "whoosh" to indicate that I missed
>>> the point when the point I made was to try to identify the species that Ken
>>> specifically referred to.
>> What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
>> subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
>> to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious principles.
>
> These days, it's probably not considered an acceptable joke anywhere outside India,

I'm not in India, but it's acceptable where I am. Some of us are
more tolerant than others.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

On 20:55 18 Nov 2022, Paul Epstein said:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:46:07 PM UTC, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>
>>
>> [SNIP]
>>
>> You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
>> muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
>> /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
>>
>> Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
>> -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
>> Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
>>
>> https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/doc
>> uments/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Friedman
>
> Yes, I was. I didn't expect that this discussion would veer into
> anti-Islam racism. When I saw that quote, I assumed that this was a
> discussion about ancestors of our species.
>
> As I alluded to in my previous posting in this chain, India is
> unfortunately providing many horrific examples of where anti-Islam
> prejudice can lead.
>
> Paul Epstein

Is Islam a race?

Even if it were, does that make anyone who draws attention to the
shortcomings of Islam a racist?

On 19/11/2022 10:29, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 18/11/2022 7:17 pm, Paul Epstein wrote:
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:41:31 PM UTC, Bebercito wrote:
>>> Le vendredi 18 novembre 2022 à 19:30:00 UTC+1, Paul Epstein a écrit :
>>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>>>>> * Paul Epstein:
>>>>>> Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>>>>>> it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>>>>>> An ongoing thread went like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said:
>>>>>> I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed
>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>> one-handed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Blake then said:
>>>>>> If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>>>>>> allouatta muslimsis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>>>>>> I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their
>>>>>> right hand,
>>>>>> 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>>>>>> When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>>>>>> You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>>>>>> Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>>>>> See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>>>>> feeling.
>>>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>>>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to understand how you can say "whoosh" to indicate that I
>>>> missed
>>>> the point when the point I made was to try to identify the species
>>>> that Ken
>>>> specifically referred to.
>>> What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
>>> subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
>>> to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious
>>> principles.
>>
>> These days, it's probably not considered an acceptable joke anywhere
>> outside India,
>
> I'm not in India, but it's acceptable where I am.

No it's not. Unless by 'where I am' you mean in your own household.
Political correctness is the same in the UK as anywhere else, especially
when it comes to religions and cultures. Ask your Hindu PM.

Some of us are more
> tolerant than others.
>
>

On 18/11/2022 19:41, Bebercito wrote:
> What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
> subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
> to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious principles.

Do you know the true origin of the 'religious principle' of Muslims not
handling food with their left hand?

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:37:13 +0100, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

>On 18/11/2022 19:41, Bebercito wrote:
>> What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
>> subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
>> to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious principles.
>
>Do you know the true origin of the 'religious principle' of Muslims not
>handling food with their left hand?

As I understand it, it's because the left hand is the one used to wipe
their asses.

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:15:08 PM UTC-7, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2022-11-18, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
> >> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> >> > * Paul Epstein:
> >> > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> >> > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> >> > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> >> > >
> >> > > I said:
> >> > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> >> > > one-handed.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ken Blake then said:
> >> > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> >> > > allouatta muslimsis.
> >> > >
> >> > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> >> > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> >> > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> >> > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> >> > >
> >> > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> >> > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> >> > >
> >> > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> >> > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> >> > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> >> >
> >> > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> >> > feeling.
> >> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> >> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> > ...
> >
> > You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> > muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> > /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
> >
> > Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> > -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
> > Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
> >
> > https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html

> Well, must be the canonical word.

And that's no bull!

--
Jerry Friedman

* Jerry Friedman:

> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:15:08 PM UTC-7, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2022-11-18, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
>>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>>>> > * Paul Epstein:
>>>> > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>>>> > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>>>> > > An ongoing thread went like this:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I said:
>>>> > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
>>>> > > one-handed.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Ken Blake then said:
>>>> > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>>>> > > allouatta muslimsis.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>>>> > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
>>>> > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>>>> > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>>>> > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>>>> > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>>>> > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>>>> >
>>>> > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>>>> > feeling.
>>>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>>>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
>>> muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
>>> /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
>>> -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
>>> Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
>>>
>>> https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
>
>> Well, must be the canonical word.
>
> And that's no bull!

Thanks for steering us in the ortho... I mean, right direction.

--
Quinn: I'm not very good at talking to boys.
Zoey: It's easy! It's just like talking to girls, but you got to
use smaller words.
-- Zoey 101, Quinn's Date

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:41 PM UTC-8, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:55:08 PM UTC-5, Paul Epstein wrote:
> > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:46:07 PM UTC, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
> > > > On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
> > > > > * Paul Epstein:
>
> > > > > > Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
> > > > > > it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
> > > > > > An ongoing thread went like this:
> > > > > > I said:
> > > > > > I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
> > > > > > one-handed.
> > > > > > Ken Blake then said:
> > > > > > If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
> > > > > > allouatta muslimsis.
> > > > > > And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
> > > > > > I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
> > > > > > 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
> > > > > > When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
> > > > > > Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
> > > > > > You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
> > > > > > Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
> > > > > > Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
> > > > > See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
> > > > > Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
> > > > > feeling.
> > > > "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
> > > > so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
> > > You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
> > > muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
> > > /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
> > > Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
> > > -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
> > > Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
> > > https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
> >
> > Yes, I was. I didn't expect that this discussion would veer into anti-Islam racism.
> > When I saw that quote, I assumed that this was a discussion about ancestors of our species.
> >
> > As I alluded to in my previous posting in this chain, India is unfortunately providing many horrific examples of where
> > anti-Islam prejudice can lead.
> Incidentally, in AUE "whoosh" means someone didn't get a joke.
> It whooshed over someone's head.
>
> I didn't look up allouatta until just now. It's simply the howler
> monkey genus (and hence should be capitalized).

Howling monkey, I think. I remember from when a naturalist
reported that they urinated on him for trying to observe them.
Unless he made a howler in calling them howling monkeys.

On 19-Nov-22 14:03, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:37:13 +0100, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
>
>> On 18/11/2022 19:41, Bebercito wrote:
>>> What you missed is that Ken seems to have coined "muslimensis" as a
>>> subspecies name for "alouatta" in reference to Muslims being expected
>>> to eat with their right hand, in accordance with their religious principles.
>>
>> Do you know the true origin of the 'religious principle' of Muslims not
>> handling food with their left hand?
>
> As I understand it, it's because the left hand is the one used to wipe
> their asses.

I object to that sentence.
One hand. Multiple "asses".

--
Sam Plusnet

On 19-Nov-22 16:15, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 2:15:08 PM UTC-7, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2022-11-18, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-7, Paul Epstein wrote:
>>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:19:03 PM UTC, Quinn C wrote:
>>>>> * Paul Epstein:
>>>>>> Quinn said something that I think deserves its own thread so that
>>>>>> it doesn't get lost in a morass of subthreads.
>>>>>> An ongoing thread went like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said:
>>>>>> I've also observed monkeys (I forget which species) who fed themselves
>>>>>> one-handed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken Blake then said:
>>>>>> If they fed themselves with their right hands, they were probably
>>>>>> allouatta muslimsis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And since I was unable to find any reference to this species, I said:
>>>>>> I've never heard of that species. It was like 90% using their right hand,
>>>>>> 10% using their left, just like humans do when they eat one-handed.
>>>>>> When I googled this, "muslimsis" didn't show up but "alouatta" did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then Quinn made the utterly brilliant reply:
>>>>>> You might want to google for "whoosh" next.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone hazard a guess as to WTF Quinn means??
>>>>>> Of course, I did google for "whoosh" but that didn't enlighten me.
>>>>> See <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whoosh#Interjection>
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw, I'd have named the species "A. muslimensis", but that's just by
>>>>> feeling.
>>>> "muslimensis" is the name of an ancestor of modern humans, I think,
>>>> so I don't think it's what Ken meant.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> You may have been misled by a nasty on-line suggestion that "Homo
>>> muslimensis" was trying to do to /Homo sapiens/ in Europe what
>>> /Homo sapiens/ did to the Neanderthals.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, I doubt "muslimensis" is good Latin. As far as I know,
>>> -ensis refers to geographic origin. With some help from the Latin
>>> Wikipedia, I see John Paul II used "muslimus".
>>>
>>> https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/la/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_14091995_ecclesia-in-africa.html
>
>> Well, must be the canonical word.
>
> And that's no bull!

Which reminds me of watching a Youtube video last night, in which the
word "Papal" was pronounced in a way that rhymed with apple.

It may be 'correct' in some dialect, but it landed with a clunk on my
ear, every time.

--
Sam Plusnet