On 2022-10-18, musika wrote:

> On 18/10/2022 04:07, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 18/10/22 12:01, musika wrote:
>>> On 18/10/2022 01:27, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>> On 18/10/22 02:11, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-10-15, Quinn C wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> To be precise, there are two Aldi companies, because two brothers
>>>>>> split
>>>>>> the company. They agreed not to compete with each other in Germany,
>>>>>> each staying in their designated regions. They may have a similar
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC, they split the company because they disagreed over whether
>>>>> selling cigarettes would encourage shoplifting.
>>>>
>>>> Is this about Lidl and Aldi, or is there a third brother?
>>>>
>>> No it's about Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud. Lidl is different company.
>>>
>>> Then, there's the Dassler brothers who had a similar split and founded
>>> Adidas and Puma.
>>
>> Yes, but Lidl is also the name of Aldi's brother. That's why I'm asking.
>>
> You've lost me now. The brothers were Karl and Theo Albrecht. ALDI
> stands for Albrecht Diskont.

I'm pretty sure he's joking.

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itself. The United States needs some theology and geometry, some taste
and decency. I suspect that we are teetering on the edge of the abyss.
---Ignatius J Reilly

On 18/10/22 20:41, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2022-10-18, musika wrote:
>
>> On 18/10/2022 04:07, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 18/10/22 12:01, musika wrote:
>>>> On 18/10/2022 01:27, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>> On 18/10/22 02:11, Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-10-15, Quinn C wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be precise, there are two Aldi companies, because two
>>>>>>> brothers split the company. They agreed not to compete
>>>>>>> with each other in Germany, each staying in their
>>>>>>> designated regions. They may have a similar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC, they split the company because they disagreed over
>>>>>> whether selling cigarettes would encourage shoplifting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this about Lidl and Aldi, or is there a third brother?
>>>>>
>>>> No it's about Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud. Lidl is different
>>>> company.
>>>>
>>>> Then, there's the Dassler brothers who had a similar split and
>>>> founded Adidas and Puma.
>>>
>>> Yes, but Lidl is also the name of Aldi's brother. That's why I'm
>>> asking.
>>>
>> You've lost me now. The brothers were Karl and Theo Albrecht. ALDI
>> stands for Albrecht Diskont.
>
> I'm pretty sure he's joking.

I wasn't joking, but a bit of googling suggests that I was misled by a
story that was doing the rounds.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Sam Plusnet pounded on thar keyboard to tell us
> On 14-Oct-22 17:27, lar3ryca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-14 02:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
>>> Suddenly I feel on urge to get one of these:
>>>
>>> https://www.onbuy.com/gb/wheel-trolley-3-wheel-heavy-duty-stair-climbing-truck-hand-sack-truck~c30576~p17916101/
>>
>> I can't find an example of it, but years ago, I remember seeing (and a few
>> times using) a dolly (L-shaped hand truck), that had, above the wheels,
>> things reminiscent of tank tracks. They were used to move things up or down
>> stairs.

UHaul often has that type available to add to your truck rental tab.

> One of these could be handy, and I've seen something similar which is able to
> tackle stairs, but it is a bit too big for domestic use.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LClO6m_3QF4

People are trying to get me to NOT dump stuff on the floor.

/dps

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Yes, I have had a cucumber soda. Why do you ask?

On 2022-10-13, Tony Cooper wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 22:56:28 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>>On 13-Oct-22 19:59, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 12:53:49 PM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 13-Oct-22 4:04, Quinn C wrote:
>>>>> * Sam Plusnet:
>>>>>> I wonder if those who care follow the same routine when hanging kitchen
>>>>>> towel?
>>>>>
>>>>> My kitchen towels have two loose ends, so everything is symmetric, and I
>>>>> don't see how that compares.
>>>> Terminology strikes again.
>>>> What do you call the paper product used to mop up spills etc. etc. in
>>>> the kitchen?
>>>> It comes on a roll around 20cm wide, and is pre-perforated into squares.
>>>> In the UK this is called "Kitchen Towel".
>>>
>>> AmE "paper towel".
>>
>>I' just checked what names a (UK) supermarket uses.
>>The category is labelled "Kitchen Roll" but the packaging of the various
>>brands mostly say "Kitchen Towel", with a couple called "Household Towel".
>>
>>>
>>>> Other than that, this household has two types of 'towel' in the kitchen.
>>>> A hand towel by the sink, and a tea towel for drying anything which
>>>> has failed to dry properly in the washing-up rack on the draining board.
>>>
>>> MyAmE (not in Florida) "hand towel" and "dish towel". "Kitchen towel"
>>> covers both.
>>>
>>I didn't expect "tea towel" to have made inroads into the US.
>
> Ah, but they have. Bringing back a decorative tea towels from a visit
> to the UK as token gifts is, or was, a relatively common thing, They
> pack easily and don't take much space.
>
> Non-functional as an actual towel, though; more likely a map of
> London's tube system or one like this:
>
> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/D3gAAOSwqltixs6c/s-l500.jpg
>
> It's the type of gift where the recipient says "Wow! I love it! Thank
> you very much!" and then sticks it in a drawer never to be seen again.

I have a tote bag with "Meine Leute waren in Bayern und alles was sie
mir mitgebracht haben ist diese scheiß Tasche".

<https://www.flaggen-pehl.de/438/stofftasche-bayern-scheisstasche-nr.-2100>

(My friends went to Bavaria and all they brought me was this shit
bag.)

--
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not
preserved, except in memory. LLAP. ---Leonard Nimoy

On 2022-10-17, Snidely wrote:

> Quinn C scribbled something on Saturday the 10/15/2022:
>> * J. J. Lodder:
>>
>>> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:41:26 AM UTC-6, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>>>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <ad...@127.0.0.1> writes:
>>>>>>> Suddenly I feel on urge to get one of these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently bought two hand trolleys. One is just the frame,
>>>>>> and I use it to carry home heavy objects such as microwave
>>>>>> ovens. The other one has a large bag on it, and I use it
>>>>>> for grocery shopping. I found out how to place another large
>>>>>> back on top of it and I also carry a backpack, so I can go
>>>>>> grocery shopping just once for two weeks. It's easy on the
>>>>>> streets, but takes some time to carry it upstairs!
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit backward. In these parts all the big supermarket chains
>>>>> started delivery services during the first Covid wave.
>>>>
>>>> Having ended them decades earlier?
>>>
>>> No, it never was.
>>> You are again thinking from an American perspective.
>>> The surplus of cheap labour that you 'enjoy' never existed in Europe.
>>> (That is, after WWII. Before WWII supermarket chains didn't exist)
>>
>> My impression is that the chainification of supermarkets happened no
>> earlier, possibly even later in the US than in Germany. Walmart's
>> success is due to it offering far lower prices than mom-and-pop grocery
>> stores, but when they tried to enter Germany, it was far too late, and
>> there was no way they could undercut Aldi. Walmart left Germany after a
>> few years, but Aldi's presence in the US has been a huge success.
>
> Supermarkets started in the US no later than the 1930s. Safeway was
> one of the original brands; now it's part of a conglomeration of
> chains. Somewhere in the AUE archives is a post discussing the first
> US supermarket, and the insight of aisle cruising that gave it birth.

Piggly Wiggly, 1916

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggly_Wiggly>

--
And awful things are happening: we've let this drama fold,
and now the time has come at last to crush the motif of the rose.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:02:28 AM UTC-6, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
> Sam Plusnet pounded on thar keyboard to tell us
> > On 14-Oct-22 17:27, lar3ryca wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-14 02:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >
> >>> Suddenly I feel on urge to get one of these:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.onbuy.com/gb/wheel-trolley-3-wheel-heavy-duty-stair-climbing-truck-hand-sack-truck~c30576~p17916101/
> >>
> >> I can't find an example of it, but years ago, I remember seeing (and a few
> >> times using) a dolly (L-shaped hand truck), that had, above the wheels,
> >> things reminiscent of tank tracks. They were used to move things up or down
> >> stairs.
>
> UHaul often has that type available to add to your truck rental tab.
>
> > One of these could be handy, and I've seen something similar which is able to
> > tackle stairs, but it is a bit too big for domestic use.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LClO6m_3QF4
>
> People are trying to get me to NOT dump stuff on the floor.

Sheesh. What do they think floors are for?

--
Jerry Friedman

On Tue, 18 Oct 2022 02:01:23 +0100, musika <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com>
wrote:

>On 18/10/2022 01:27, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 18/10/22 02:11, Adam Funk wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-15, Quinn C wrote:
>>
>>>> To be precise, there are two Aldi companies, because two brothers split
>>>> the company. They agreed not to compete with each other in Germany,
>>>> each staying in their designated regions. They may have a similar
>>>
>>> IIRC, they split the company because they disagreed over whether
>>> selling cigarettes would encourage shoplifting.
>>
>> Is this about Lidl and Aldi, or is there a third brother?
>>
>No it's about Aldi Nord and Aldi Sud. Lidl is different company.
>
>Then, there's the Dassler brothers who had a similar split and founded
>Adidas and Puma.

And the Mondavi brothers:

Peter - Charles Krug winery
Robert - Robert Mondavi winery

On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 1:18:51 PM UTC-7, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
> Supermarkets started in the US no later than the 1930s. Safeway was
> one of the original brands; now it's part of a conglomeration of
> chains. Somewhere in the AUE archives is a post discussing the first
> US supermarket, and the insight of aisle cruising that gave it birth.
>
I have a clear memory of the Piggly-Wiggly that opened in San Luis
Obispo in 1935. It was new and wonderful.

Remember when Adam Funk bragged outrageously? That was Tuesday:
> On 2022-10-17, Snidely wrote:
>
>> Quinn C scribbled something on Saturday the 10/15/2022:
>>> * J. J. Lodder:
>>>
>>>> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:41:26 AM UTC-6, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <ad...@127.0.0.1> writes:
>>>>>>>> Suddenly I feel on urge to get one of these:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recently bought two hand trolleys. One is just the frame,
>>>>>>> and I use it to carry home heavy objects such as microwave
>>>>>>> ovens. The other one has a large bag on it, and I use it
>>>>>>> for grocery shopping. I found out how to place another large
>>>>>>> back on top of it and I also carry a backpack, so I can go
>>>>>>> grocery shopping just once for two weeks. It's easy on the
>>>>>>> streets, but takes some time to carry it upstairs!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bit backward. In these parts all the big supermarket chains
>>>>>> started delivery services during the first Covid wave.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having ended them decades earlier?
>>>>
>>>> No, it never was.
>>>> You are again thinking from an American perspective.
>>>> The surplus of cheap labour that you 'enjoy' never existed in Europe.
>>>> (That is, after WWII. Before WWII supermarket chains didn't exist)
>>>
>>> My impression is that the chainification of supermarkets happened no
>>> earlier, possibly even later in the US than in Germany. Walmart's
>>> success is due to it offering far lower prices than mom-and-pop grocery
>>> stores, but when they tried to enter Germany, it was far too late, and
>>> there was no way they could undercut Aldi. Walmart left Germany after a
>>> few years, but Aldi's presence in the US has been a huge success.
>>
>> Supermarkets started in the US no later than the 1930s. Safeway was
>> one of the original brands; now it's part of a conglomeration of
>> chains. Somewhere in the AUE archives is a post discussing the first
>> US supermarket, and the insight of aisle cruising that gave it birth.
>
> Piggly Wiggly, 1916
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggly_Wiggly>

Damn. All I could remember was "Safeway", but I grew up a block from a
('60s modern) Piggly Wiggly.

/dps

--
Ieri, oggi, domani

Jerry Friedman asserted that:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:02:28 AM UTC-6, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet pounded on thar keyboard to tell us
>>> On 14-Oct-22 17:27, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-14 02:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>>> Suddenly I feel on urge to get one of these:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.onbuy.com/gb/wheel-trolley-3-wheel-heavy-duty-stair-climbing-truck-hand-sack-truck~c30576~p17916101/
>>>>
>>>> I can't find an example of it, but years ago, I remember seeing (and a few
>>>> times using) a dolly (L-shaped hand truck), that had, above the wheels,
>>>> things reminiscent of tank tracks. They were used to move things up or
>>>> down stairs.
>>
>> UHaul often has that type available to add to your truck rental tab.
>>
>>> One of these could be handy, and I've seen something similar which is able
>>> to tackle stairs, but it is a bit too big for domestic use.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LClO6m_3QF4
>>
>> People are trying to get me to NOT dump stuff on the floor.
>
> Sheesh. What do they think floors are for?

To be seen and admired. Go figure.

/dps

--
"That’s where I end with this kind of conversation: Language is
crucial, and yet not the answer."
Jonathan Rosa, sociocultural and linguistic anthropologist,
Stanford.,2020

On 18-Oct-22 15:10, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:02:28 AM UTC-6, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet pounded on thar keyboard to tell us
>>> On 14-Oct-22 17:27, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-14 02:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Suddenly I feel on urge to get one of these:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.onbuy.com/gb/wheel-trolley-3-wheel-heavy-duty-stair-climbing-truck-hand-sack-truck~c30576~p17916101/
>>>>
>>>> I can't find an example of it, but years ago, I remember seeing (and a few
>>>> times using) a dolly (L-shaped hand truck), that had, above the wheels,
>>>> things reminiscent of tank tracks. They were used to move things up or down
>>>> stairs.
>>
>> UHaul often has that type available to add to your truck rental tab.
>>
>>> One of these could be handy, and I've seen something similar which is able to
>>> tackle stairs, but it is a bit too big for domestic use.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LClO6m_3QF4
>>
>> People are trying to get me to NOT dump stuff on the floor.
>
> Sheesh. What do they think floors are for?
>
Well sure, but only after the walls and ceiling are full.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 01:49:29 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 18-Oct-22 15:10, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:02:28 AM UTC-6, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Sam Plusnet pounded on thar keyboard to tell us
> >>> On 14-Oct-22 17:27, lar3ryca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-14 02:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Suddenly I feel on urge to get one of these:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.onbuy.com/gb/wheel-trolley-3-wheel-heavy-duty-stair-climbing-truck-hand-sack-truck~c30576~p17916101/
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't find an example of it, but years ago, I remember seeing (and a few
> >>>> times using) a dolly (L-shaped hand truck), that had, above the wheels,
> >>>> things reminiscent of tank tracks. They were used to move things up or down
> >>>> stairs.
> >>
> >> UHaul often has that type available to add to your truck rental tab.
> >>
> >>> One of these could be handy, and I've seen something similar which is able to
> >>> tackle stairs, but it is a bit too big for domestic use.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LClO6m_3QF4
> >>
> >> People are trying to get me to NOT dump stuff on the floor.
> >
> > Sheesh. What do they think floors are for?
> >
> Well sure, but only after the walls and ceiling are full.
>
You jest, but I know a bloke like that; his walls are hard to detect behind
the floor to ceiling shelving units covered in books. Cheap insulation!

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 20-Oct-22 9:25, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 01:49:29 +0100
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18-Oct-22 15:10, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:02:28 AM UTC-6, snide...@gmail.com wrote:

>>>> People are trying to get me to NOT dump stuff on the floor.
>>>
>>> Sheesh. What do they think floors are for?
>>>
>> Well sure, but only after the walls and ceiling are full.
>>
> You jest, but I know a bloke like that; his walls are hard to detect behind
> the floor to ceiling shelving units covered in books. Cheap insulation!

With that Second-hand Bookshop smell?

--
Sam Plusnet

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 18:23:15 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 20-Oct-22 9:25, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 01:49:29 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18-Oct-22 15:10, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:02:28 AM UTC-6, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>> People are trying to get me to NOT dump stuff on the floor.
> >>>
> >>> Sheesh. What do they think floors are for?
> >>>
> >> Well sure, but only after the walls and ceiling are full.
> >>
> > You jest, but I know a bloke like that; his walls are hard to detect behind
> > the floor to ceiling shelving units covered in books. Cheap insulation!
>
> With that Second-hand Bookshop smell?
>
Of course.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.