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by: Dingbat - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 12:14 UTC

Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?

Surveying a sea of dead bodies from the air, US Navy helicopter pilot Huey Thompson Jr, on a mission in to offer air support to US ground troops, deduced that those troops were conducting a massacre of Vietnamese civilians. He informed them that they would draw friendly fire from his helicopter's machine guns if they did not cease and desist. The US gave him a medal 30 years later for stopping the massacre. The wiki doesn't say what the Vietnamese, especially the survivors of the massacre, say about him.

P.S. Coincidentally, the type of helicopter he flew was nicknamed a Huey gunship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr

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by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:00 UTC

Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:

> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?

I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
friendly.

--
Bertel

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by: Lionel Edwards - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:02 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 1:14:51 PM UTC+1, Dingbat wrote:
> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>
> Surveying a sea of dead bodies from the air, US Navy helicopter pilot Huey Thompson Jr, on a mission in to offer air support to US ground troops, deduced that those troops were conducting a massacre of Vietnamese civilians. He informed them that they would draw friendly fire from his helicopter's machine guns if they did not cease and desist. The US gave him a medal 30 years later for stopping the massacre. The wiki doesn't say what the Vietnamese, especially the survivors of the massacre, say about him.
>
> P.S. Coincidentally, the type of helicopter he flew was nicknamed a Huey gunship.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr

There is a very thoughtful and balanced, illustrated short film about the My Lai massacre; here:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLuBtv1EtcI>

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by: HVS - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:16 UTC

On 19 Oct 2022, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote

> Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>
>> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>
> I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident.
> The pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire.
> That is not friendly.
>
You could call it "intentional friendly fire" -- an oxymoronic
euphemism which would distinguish it from the usual kind.

--
Cheers, Harvey

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by: lar3ryca - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:19 UTC

On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>
>> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>
> I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
> pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
> friendly.

Friendly fire can be accidental or not.

----

M-W:
the firing of weapons from one's own forces or those of an ally
especially when resulting in the accidental death or injury of one's own
personnel

ed: note the "especially".

The Browns practiced in pads for the first time on Tuesday, and
Stefanski reminded them not to engage in friendly fire.
— cleveland, 2 Aug. 2022

----

Oxford Learner's:
in a war, if people are killed or injured by friendly fire, they are hit
by a bomb or weapon that is fired by their own side

ed: No mention of it being accidental

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:25 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:14:51 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:

> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?

No. It cannot be intentional.
> Surveying a sea of dead bodies from the air, US Navy helicopter pilot Huey Thompson Jr, on a mission in to offer air support to US ground troops, deduced that those troops were conducting a massacre of Vietnamese civilians. He informed them that they would draw friendly fire from his helicopter's machine guns if they did not cease and desist. The US gave him a medal 30 years later for stopping the massacre. The wiki doesn't say what the Vietnamese, especially the survivors of the massacre, say about him.

"a mission in"?

> P.S. Coincidentally, the type of helicopter he flew was nicknamed a Huey gunship.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:26 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:16:21 AM UTC-4, HVS wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2022, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote
> > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:

> >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
> > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident.
> > The pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire.
> > That is not friendly.
>
> You could call it "intentional friendly fire" -- an oxymoronic
> euphemism which would distinguish it from the usual kind.

Would this be a suitable context for sarcasm?

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:31 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:19:46 AM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:

> >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
> >
> > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
> > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
> > friendly.
>
> Friendly fire can be accidental or not.

Wrong.
> ----
>
> M-W:
> the firing of weapons from one's own forces or those of an ally
> especially when resulting in the accidental death or injury of one's own
> personnel
>
> ed: note the "especially".

If they happen not to hit anyone, it's still friendly fire.

> The Browns practiced in pads for the first time on Tuesday, and
> Stefanski reminded them not to engage in friendly fire.
> — cleveland, 2 Aug. 2022

It's highly unlikely that a football team brought armaments onto the field.

Metaphorical/transferred/extended meanings are hardly useful in
an ordinary dictionary entry.
> ----
>
> Oxford Learner's:
> in a war, if people are killed or injured by friendly fire, they are hit
> by a bomb or weapon that is fired by their own side
>
> ed: No mention of it being accidental

Unnecessary. Normal soldiers do not fire at their own.

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by: Dingbat - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:37 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:25:47 AM UTC-7, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:14:51 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
>
> > Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?

> No. It cannot be intentional.

Then, such a usage would be sarcastic.

> > Surveying a sea of dead bodies from the air, US Navy helicopter pilot Huey Thompson Jr, on a mission in to offer air support to US ground troops, deduced that those troops were conducting a massacre of Vietnamese civilians. He informed them that they would draw friendly fire from his helicopter's machine guns if they did not cease and desist. The US gave him a medal 30 years later for stopping the massacre. The wiki doesn't say what the Vietnamese, especially the survivors of the massacre, say about him.

> "a mission in"?

My spelling checker unhelpfully adds particles. I didn't notice this one of its muck ups so I could weed out the IN it added. It's on my phone' I haven't figured out how to turn it off.

> > P.S. Coincidentally, the type of helicopter he flew was nicknamed a Huey gunship.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr

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by: Janet - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:39 UTC

In article <tip11t$246o$1@dont-email.me>, larry@invalid.ca
says...
>
> On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
> >
> >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
> >
> > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
> > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
> > friendly.
>
> Friendly fire can be accidental or not.

Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.

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by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:56 UTC

Den 19.10.2022 kl. 16.39 skrev Janet:

> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.

You stressed my point.

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by: Jerry Friedman - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:56 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 6:14:51 AM UTC-6, Dingbat wrote:
> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>
> Surveying a sea of dead bodies from the air, US Navy helicopter pilot Huey Thompson Jr, on a mission in to offer air support to US ground troops, deduced that those troops were conducting a massacre of Vietnamese civilians. He informed them that they would draw friendly fire from his helicopter's machine guns if they did not cease and desist. The US gave him a medal 30 years later for stopping the massacre. The wiki doesn't say what the Vietnamese, especially the survivors of the massacre, say about him.
>
> P.S. Coincidentally, the type of helicopter he flew was nicknamed a Huey gunship.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Thompson_Jr

I'd go for "He told [or warned] them that he would fire on them [or
fire his helicopter's machine guns at them]." There's no point in
inviting readers to object to this use of "friendly fire".

--
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by: Jerry Friedman - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:56 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
> says...
> >
> > On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
> > >
> > >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
> > >
> > > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
> > > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
> > > friendly.
> >
> > Friendly fire can be accidental or not.

> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.

Neither is accidentally shooting someone.

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by: Bebercito - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 15:14 UTC

Le mercredi 19 octobre 2022 à 16:56:57 UTC+2, Jerry Friedman a écrit :
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> > In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
> > says...
> > >
> > > On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > > > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
> > > >
> > > >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
> > > >
> > > > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
> > > > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
> > > > friendly.
> > >
> > > Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>
> > Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
> Neither is accidentally shooting someone.

If A "accidentally" shoots B thinking B is an enemy whereas B is actually
an ally, the word seems indeed improper. But if A "accidentally" shoots
B, knowing B is an ally, when aiming at an enemy C who is attacking B,
then the word can make sense, as A's intent is basically "friendly".

>
> --
> Jerry Friedman

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by: Paul Wolff - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 16:53 UTC

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, at 07:56:55, Jerry Friedman posted:
>On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>> In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
>> says...
>> > On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> > > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>> > >
>> > >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>> > >
>> > > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
>> > > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
>> > > friendly.
>> >
>> > Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>
>> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
>
>Neither is accidentally shooting someone.
>
I was once shot deliberately by a friend. I was a bit annoyed by that,
because it wasn't a friendly thing to do at all, even though I was
little damaged by the shot. I carried the mark of it a long time.

However, a mercy killing - the coup de grace - would be, I'd say, a not
unfriendly deed. Soldiers are, I'm told, known to have begged for it
when mortally wounded yet in prolonged agonies. It might even be called
generous, considering the possible consequences to the merciful shooter.
It might still rank as murder in law, for all I know.
--
Paul

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On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:53:27 +0100, Paul Wolff
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>On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, at 07:56:55, Jerry Friedman posted:
>>On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>>> In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
>>> says...
>>> > On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>> > > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>>> > >
>>> > > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
>>> > > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
>>> > > friendly.
>>> >
>>> > Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>>
>>> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
>>
>>Neither is accidentally shooting someone.
>>
>I was once shot deliberately by a friend. I was a bit annoyed by that,
>because it wasn't a friendly thing to do at all, even though I was
>little damaged by the shot. I carried the mark of it a long time.
>
>However, a mercy killing - the coup de grace - would be, I'd say, a not
>unfriendly deed. Soldiers are, I'm told, known to have begged for it
>when mortally wounded yet in prolonged agonies. It might even be called
>generous, considering the possible consequences to the merciful shooter.
>It might still rank as murder in law, for all I know.

Recent:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/how-mercy-killings-prosecuted-graham-24557115

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by: Jerry Friedman - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:08 UTC

On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-6, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, at 07:56:55, Jerry Friedman posted:
> >On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> >> In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
> >> says...
> >> > On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> >> > > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
> >> > >
> >> > > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
> >> > > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
> >> > > friendly.
> >> >
> >> > Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
> >
> >> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
> >
> >Neither is accidentally shooting someone.
> >
> I was once shot deliberately by a friend. I was a bit annoyed by that,
> because it wasn't a friendly thing to do at all, even though I was
> little damaged by the shot. I carried the mark of it a long time.

Are you interested in telling us more?
> However, a mercy killing - the coup de grace - would be, I'd say, a not
> unfriendly deed. Soldiers are, I'm told, known to have begged for it
> when mortally wounded yet in prolonged agonies. It might even be called
> generous, considering the possible consequences to the merciful shooter.
> It might still rank as murder in law, for all I know.

OK, there might be an exception, which I hadn't thought of, to the
statement that deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.

--
Jerry Friedman

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by: Sam Plusnet - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:08 UTC

On 19-Oct-22 15:39, Janet wrote:
> In article <tip11t$246o$1@dont-email.me>, larry@invalid.ca
> says...
>>
>> On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>> Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>>>
>>>> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>>>
>>> I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
>>> pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
>>> friendly.
>>
>> Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>
> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.

Well... There were cases where someone asked a friend to shoot them in
the foot as a "Blighty wound".

I think the equivalent term in AmE is/was "Million-dollar wound".

--
Sam Plusnet

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by: lar3ryca - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:12 UTC

On 2022-10-19 08:39, Janet wrote:
> In article <tip11t$246o$1@dont-email.me>, larry@invalid.ca
> says...
>>
>> On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>> Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>>>
>>>> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>>>
>>> I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
>>> pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is not
>>> friendly.
>>
>> Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>
> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.

While that is true, 'friendly' in this phrase is used to mean fire from
someone on the same side of the action.

--
I’m a peripheral visionary.
I can see into the future, but just way off to the side.
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by: Ken Blake - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 20:36 UTC

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:53:27 +0100, Paul Wolff
<bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

"Murder in law"? That was my wife's mother.

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by: Paul Wolff - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:39 UTC

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, at 12:08:14, Jerry Friedman posted:
>On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:56:34 AM UTC-6, Paul Wolff wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, at 07:56:55, Jerry Friedman posted:
>> >On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>> >> In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
>> >> says...
>> >> > On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> >> > > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
>> >> > > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire.
>> >> > >That is not
>> >> > > friendly.
>> >> >
>> >> > Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>> >
>> >> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
>> >
>> >Neither is accidentally shooting someone.
>> >
>> I was once shot deliberately by a friend. I was a bit annoyed by that,
>> because it wasn't a friendly thing to do at all, even though I was
>> little damaged by the shot. I carried the mark of it a long time.
>
>Are you interested in telling us more?

Not really - the whole story becomes very personal and then tragic. I'm
no Shakespeare, but even he had to start somewhere - though not, I
think, with "I know, why don't I write a play. I think I'll call it
'Hamlet, Prince of Denmark'."

All right, to play it down: on that occasion I think drink had been
taken, the weapon was a tear-gas pistol, and there was a plug in the
barrel (or discharge port, or whatever it was properly called) which hit
me in the chest.
>
>> However, a mercy killing - the coup de grace - would be, I'd say, a not
>> unfriendly deed. Soldiers are, I'm told, known to have begged for it
>> when mortally wounded yet in prolonged agonies. It might even be called
>> generous, considering the possible consequences to the merciful shooter.
>> It might still rank as murder in law, for all I know.
>
>OK, there might be an exception, which I hadn't thought of, to the
>statement that deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
>
--
Paul

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by: Paul Wolff - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 21:52 UTC

On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, at 13:36:38, Ken Blake posted:
>On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:53:27 +0100, Paul Wolff
>>On Wed, 19 Oct 2022, at 07:56:55, Jerry Friedman posted:
>>>On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
>>>> > On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>>> > > Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
>>>> > > pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire.
>>>> > >That is not
>>>> > > friendly.
>>>> >
>>>> > Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>>>
>>>> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
>>>
>>>Neither is accidentally shooting someone.
>>>
>>I was once shot deliberately by a friend. I was a bit annoyed by that,
>>because it wasn't a friendly thing to do at all, even though I was
>>little damaged by the shot. I carried the mark of it a long time.
>>
>>However, a mercy killing - the coup de grace - would be, I'd say, a not
>>unfriendly deed. Soldiers are, I'm told, known to have begged for it
>>when mortally wounded yet in prolonged agonies. It might even be called
>>generous, considering the possible consequences to the merciful shooter.
>>It might still rank as murder in law, for all I know.
>
>"Murder in law"? That was my wife's mother.

You poor fellow. My M-I-L and I got on pretty well, all things
considered. She loved me, and I loved her daughters. (I only married one
of them.)
--
Paul

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by: Mark Brader - Wed, 19 Oct 2022 23:13 UTC

Paul Wolff:
> I'm no Shakespeare, but even he had to start somewhere - though not,
> I think, with "I know, why don't I write a play. I think I'll call it
> 'Hamlet, Prince of Denmark'."

"Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's Daughter", then?
--
Mark Brader | At least, I *hope* it's a typo!
Toronto | --Steve Summit, regarding a promise
msb@vex.net | of action "with undue delay"

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by: Peter Moylan - Thu, 20 Oct 2022 02:30 UTC

On 20/10/22 01:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>
>> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>
> I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident. The
> pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening fire. That is
> not friendly.

My father was involved in a friendly fire incident during WWII. An army
group was training (in Australia) with live ammunition, and a
communications cable had been wrecked by bullets. My father was ordered
to crawl in under the hail of bullets and repair the cable.

As far as I know, he wasn't hit, but it must have been scary.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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by: Peter Moylan - Thu, 20 Oct 2022 02:33 UTC

On 20/10/22 01:56, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
>> In article <tip11t$246o$1...@dont-email.me>, la...@invalid.ca
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 2022-10-19 08:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>>>> Den 19.10.2022 kl. 14.14 skrev Dingbat:
>>>>
>>>>> Did I use "friendly fire" correctly here?
>>>>
>>>> I would say no. To me freindly fire hits a'friend' by accident.
>>>> The pilot deliberately threatens the soldiers with opening
>>>> fire. That is not friendly.
>>>
>>> Friendly fire can be accidental or not.
>
>> Deliberately shooting someone is never friendly.
>
> Neither is accidentally shooting someone.

I don't see that as relevant. I believe "friendly fire" is defined to be
fire by friendly forces, i.e. by one's own allies. That doesn't have to
mean that the act itself is friendly.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	HVS
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Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Bertel Lund Hansen
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Jerry Friedman
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Bebercito
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Paul Wolff
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Mack A. Damia
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Jerry Friedman
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Paul Wolff
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Mark Brader
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Ken Blake
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Paul Wolff
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	CDB
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Peter Moylan
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Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Peter Moylan
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Bertel Lund Hansen
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Sam Plusnet
Re: Is this a correct use of "friendly fire"?	Peter Moylan
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