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* A word I can't findBertel Lund Hansen
+* Re: A word I can't findRichard Heathfield
|+* Re: A word I can't findPaul Wolff
||`* Re: A word I can't findJ. J. Lodder
|| `- Re: A word I can't findRuud Harmsen
|`- Re: A word I can't findRoss Clark
+* Re: A word I can't findbil...@shaw.ca
|`* Re: A word I can't findSnidely
| `* Re: A word I can't findJ. J. Lodder
|  `* Re: A word I can't findSam Plusnet
|   +* Re: A word I can't findKen Blake
|   |`* Re: A word I can't findSam Plusnet
|   | `* Re: A word I can't findStefan Ram
|   |  `- Re: A word I can't findJ. J. Lodder
|   `- Re: A word I can't findJ. J. Lodder
+- Re: A word I can't findHorace LaBadie
+- Re: A word I can't findPeter Moylan
+* Re: A word I can't findoccam
|+* Re: A word I can't findRuud Harmsen
||`- Re: A word I can't findoccam
|+* Re: A word I can't findBertel Lund Hansen
||`* Re: A word I can't findRuud Harmsen
|| `- Re: A word I can't findBertel Lund Hansen
|`- Re: A word I can't findAnders D. Nygaard
+* Re: A word I can't findPaul Carmichael
|`* Re: A word I can't findoccam
| +- Re: A word I can't findPaul Carmichael
| `- Re: A word I can't findJ. J. Lodder
`* Re: A word I can't findRoss Clark
 `- Re: A word I can't findBertel Lund Hansen

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From: benli...@ihug.co.nz (Ross Clark)
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Subject: Re: A word I can't find
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 by: Ross Clark - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 03:37 UTC

On 30/09/2022 6:35 p.m., Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 30/09/2022 6:21 am, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
>> could not find in the dictionaries.
>>
>> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some
>> distance from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near
>> the surface of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish.
>> What is the English word?
>
> /The/ English word? That's not how English works.
>
> Bank: "An elevation, or rising ground, under the sea; a shallow area of
> shifting sand, gravel, mud, and so forth (for example, a sandbank or
> mudbank)."
>
> Reef: "A chain or range of rocks, sand, or coral lying at or near the
> surface of the water."
>
> Sandbank: "A ridge of sand along a shore that is partially or totally
> submerged and thus a hazard to shipping."
>
> Shallow: "A shallow portion of an otherwise deep body of water."
>
> Shoal: "A sandbank or sandbar creating a shallow."

Or just "bar":

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/319254/what-went-wrong-on-the-kaipara-bar

And isn't this just what surfers call a "break"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surf_break

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 by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 05:49 UTC

Den 30.09.2022 kl. 19.56 skrev Ruud Harmsen:

>> I use only dictionaries with one language. It's an old habit and it has
>> helped to expand my vocabulary.

> In my experience, using bilingual _and_ monolingual dictionaries works
> best.

That way you will no doubt get a concrete answer easier and faster. I'm
not sure that it is the best choice if you want to expand your
vocabulary as much as possible. But it is all speculation.

--
Bertel

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 by: Ross Clark - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 10:16 UTC

On 30/09/2022 6:21 p.m., Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
> could not find in the dictionaries.
>
> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
> from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
> of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
> English word?

For a cognate English word, I was going to suggest "riffle". But further
searching led to "ripple", "ruffle" and even "ravel", at which point I
called a halt. This "ravel (n)" does have a Danish cognate "revle", but
it apparently means a strip of wood used to join boards together. Maybe
not related.

>
> There are three of them where the nearest is closest to the surface. The
> third might nok make the waves break.
>

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 by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Sat, 1 Oct 2022 11:27 UTC

Den 01.10.2022 kl. 12.16 skrev Ross Clark:

> For a cognate English word, I was going to suggest "riffle". But further
> searching led to "ripple", "ruffle" and even "ravel", at which point I
> called a halt. This "ravel (n)" does have a Danish cognate "revle", but
> it apparently means a strip of wood used to join boards together. Maybe
> not related.

It is true that we have had a word, "revle" which has to do with strips
of wood (e.g. railing), but that is not the same as "revle" =
"sandbank". That word comes from "rev" which is "rif(f)" in English, and
those are old words.

--
Bertel

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 by: Anders D. Nygaard - Sun, 2 Oct 2022 15:11 UTC

Den 30-09-2022 kl. 09:30 skrev occam:
> On 30/09/2022 07:21, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Today in a message that I decided not to send, I needed a word that I
>> could not find in the dictionaries.
>>
>> On a beach (in Denmark at least) one can see waves breking some distance
>> from the beach. This is caused by the bootom rising to near the surface
>> of the water. Such a rising is called "revle" in Danish. What is the
>> English word?
>>
>> There are three of them where the nearest is closest to the surface. The
>> third might nok make the waves break.
>>
>
> Why does the online Danish-English dictionary not recognise 'revle'? Is
> it a specialist/regional word?
>
> https://en.bab.la/dictionary/danish-english/revle

No, it's bog-standard Danish, and my Danish-English dictionary says

*revle* _(-en -r)_ _(sand-)_ bar, sand bank.

/Anders, Denmark


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