Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
<https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>

Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote

> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>

He's a fuckwit.

On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>

Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
reason.

We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
is in the works.

On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 18:50:19 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
<deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

>Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
><https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>

Poor people can barely afford a 10 year old Ford Taurus with dents in
it, I doubt they are buying a new EV even with the $12k rebate.
Where will they charge it? Run a cord out of their 3d floor apartment?
They could only use it every other day because a 120 charger is really
slow.
By rural, I suppose it depends on how rural they are and how rich they
are.
These people are so out of tough with reality it is hard to take
anything they say seriously.

In <719bqglhpigce9tmqh0isjrl415pm8k9ug@4ax.com> gfretwell@aol.com writes:

>On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 18:50:19 -0800 (PST), Dean Hoffman
><deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote:

>>Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>><https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>

>Poor people can barely afford a 10 year old Ford Taurus with dents in
>it, I doubt they are buying a new EV even with the $12k rebate.

What's missing from all the stories (but then again, economic
literacy is hard) is the likely reduction in gasline prices
(or at least a moderating of the increases) that even small
uptakes of EVs will lead to.

Short version (with numbers made up for illustration):

If gasoline demand goes down ten percent, then _all_
the prices will go down by 20 percent. So that owner
of the 10 y/o Taurus will benefit when her neighbor
switches to an EV.

Longer [a]: prices of items like gasoline tend to
rise to the cost of the _most expensive_ supply.

So (again, numbers made up for illustration - the real
situation is a hell of a lot more complicated...):

Let's say there are five suppliers, who would nromally
charge $1.75, $2.00, $2.50, $3.50, and $5.00,

Each of them could provide 10 million gallons/day.

If the area needs 30 million, then the tanker
trucks would go to the first three, the consumers
would be paying $2.50, and yes, _all_ three of
the suppliers (including the one who would be
happy with $1.75) will get $2.50.

Now... if the area needs 50 million gallons, then
all five suppliers would be tapped, and _all_ that
fuel would be at $5/gallon. Yes, including the
one who would be happy with $1.75.

So... reducing the deman from 50 million down
to 40 million/day gets us to the $3.50 mark,
and again, that would apply to all the fuel.

(Lots more complicated than this in the real world,
of course, but the basic concept, namely that
cutting down the peak helps _everyone_, is
pretty solid).

[a] Over the much longer term, of course, inflationary
pressures, harder to reach supplies, etc., will
have their impact.

--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>

Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last February.
I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he should go
back to wet nursing the kids.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Nov 2021 22:10:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
<esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>
>
>Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
>point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
>reason.
>
>We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
>is in the works.

I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
agrees with me.

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:17:38 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Nov 2021 22:10:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
> <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> >On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> >> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
> >> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
> >>
> >
> >Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
> >point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
> >reason.
> >
> >We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
> >is in the works.
> I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
> stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
> have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
> agrees with me.

I'm sure someone does. At least one local gas station has an EV
charging station.

Cindy Hamilton

On 11/30/2021 5:20 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:17:38 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Nov 2021 22:10:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
>> <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
>>> point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
>>> is in the works.
>> I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
>> stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
>> have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
>> agrees with me.
>
> I'm sure someone does. At least one local gas station has an EV
> charging station.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Figure if it takes 10 times as long to fuel up on electric as it does
gas, do gas stations have the space to put in all these chargers?

Also price of electricity at charging stations is about 3X what you pay
at home and many people cannot charge at home.

On 11/30/2021 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> Out transportation secretary  thinks it would be a good idea.
>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>
>>
>
> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last February.
> I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he should go
> back to wet nursing the kids.
>
>
Someone said yesterday, I don't know how true it is, that electric grid
capacity would have to increase 20% if everyone had EV's.

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 2:17:38 AM UTC-6, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Nov 2021 22:10:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
> <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> >On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> >> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
> >> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
> >>
> >
> >Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
> >point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
> >reason.
> >
> >We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
> >is in the works.
> I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
> stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
> have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
> agrees with me.

I know of one charging station at an I-80 truck stop. I've never seen anyone using it although I don't
get by there often. It would make more sense to me to have chargers at rest areas where people can
relax. How long will travelers tolerate "refueling" ?
The secretary's premise is flawed. The speed limit on the rural roads in my area is 50. People drive
pretty close to that usually. We have to slow down at intersections during growing season. We don't
sit in traffic with the AC or heater on. The idea that we necessarily use more fuel than a city dweller
is off.
A farmer's or rancher's workplace is where he lives. No need to go to town most days. School buses
pick up kids for school.
The secretary did go to Harvard and was a Rhodes scholar. This is just another example why government should leave
us alone for the most part.

On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:08:17 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> > Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
> > <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
> >
> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last February.
> I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he should go
> back to wet nursing the kids.

Do any of the gas stations in your area have backup generators? None here in Nebraska
have that I know of. There hasn't been an extended big power outage here since the
spring of 1976.

On 11/30/2021 3:17 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Nov 2021 22:10:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
> <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>
>>
>> Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
>> point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
>> reason.
>>
>> We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
>> is in the works.
>
> I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
> stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
> have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
> agrees with me.
>

Shell agrees as they are going to install many charging stations. For
now it is about a half hour project but a patent has been applied for on
a new cable that allows charging in five minutes. IMO, that will be a
major factor to make EVs more practical. especially on a long trip.

On 11/30/2021 7:15 AM, Frank wrote:

>>>> We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
>>>> is in the works.
>>> I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
>>> stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
>>> have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
>>> agrees with me.
>>
>> I'm sure someone does.  At least one local gas station has an EV
>> charging station.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> Figure if it takes 10 times as long to fuel up on electric as it does
> gas, do gas stations have the space to put in all these chargers?
>
> Also price of electricity at charging stations is about 3X what you pay
> at home and many people cannot charge at home.

See my reply to micky. Looks like the future is five minutes. Six or
eight days a year I do an 800 mile day followed by a 400 mile day. EV
would make that a horror show. This cable makes it no different than gas.

Won't happen overnight but the future will be much different with new
batteries with no lithium or cobalt too.

https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/ford-purdue-university-ev-charging-cable-increase-speed-1234647719/

On 11/30/2021 7:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:08:17 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>
>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last February.
>> I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he should go
>> back to wet nursing the kids.
>
> Do any of the gas stations in your area have backup generators? None here in Nebraska
> have that I know of. There hasn't been an extended big power outage here since the
> spring of 1976.
>

Many in Florida are required to have them.

On 11/30/2021 7:19 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 11/30/2021 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> Out transportation secretary  thinks it would be a good idea.
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last
>> February. I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he
>> should go back to wet nursing the kids.
>>
>>
> Someone said yesterday, I don't know how true it is, that electric grid
> capacity would have to increase 20% if everyone had EV's.

If anything that may be light. We should be building a better grid
anyway. Certainly not an insurmountable problem. Just like the gas
powered car, without gas stations around the country it would be
impossible too.

People laughed at the automobile too and thought it would just scare the
horses.

On 11/30/2021 8:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/30/2021 7:19 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 11/30/2021 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>> Out transportation secretary  thinks it would be a good idea.
>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last
>>> February. I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he
>>> should go back to wet nursing the kids.
>>>
>>>
>> Someone said yesterday, I don't know how true it is, that electric
>> grid capacity would have to increase 20% if everyone had EV's.
>
> If anything that may be light.  We should be building a better grid
> anyway.  Certainly not an insurmountable problem.  Just like the gas
> powered car, without gas stations around the country it would be
> impossible too.
>
> People laughed at the automobile too and thought it would just scare the
> horses.

I have no problem with evolution to more efficient vehicles. What I do
object to is being it forced on it by the government with unexpected
consequences.

On 11/30/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/30/2021 7:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:08:17 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last February.
>>> I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he should go
>>> back to wet nursing the kids.
>>
>>       Do any of the gas stations in your area have backup
>> generators?   None here in Nebraska
>> have that I know of.  There hasn't been an extended big power outage
>> here since the
>> spring of 1976.
>>
>
> Many in Florida are required to have them.

Years ago I had a fiend now deceased in the EPA concerned with the
proliferation of all these generators and the pollution they would cause.

On 11/30/2021 05:19 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 11/30/2021 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last
>> February. I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he
>> should go back to wet nursing the kids.
>>
>>
> Someone said yesterday, I don't know how true it is, that electric grid
> capacity would have to increase 20% if everyone had EV's.

TANSTAAFL.

On 11/30/2021 06:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/30/2021 7:19 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 11/30/2021 12:08 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last
>>> February. I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he
>>> should go back to wet nursing the kids.
>>>
>>>
>> Someone said yesterday, I don't know how true it is, that electric
>> grid capacity would have to increase 20% if everyone had EV's.
>
> If anything that may be light. We should be building a better grid
> anyway. Certainly not an insurmountable problem. Just like the gas
> powered car, without gas stations around the country it would be
> impossible too.

Close to insurmountable. People don't like nukes, solar farms, wind
farms, high voltage transmission lines, and substations. Look for long
fights over every proposal.

On 11/30/2021 05:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:08:17 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>
>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last February.
>> I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he should go
>> back to wet nursing the kids.
>
> Do any of the gas stations in your area have backup generators? None here in Nebraska
> have that I know of. There hasn't been an extended big power outage here since the
> spring of 1976.
>

I don't believe so. I assume the hospital does.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes:
>Dean Hoffman <deanh6929@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>
>He's a fuckwit.
>

Who? Dean or Not-so-bright bart.

Here is the text of the secretary's comments:

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/caucus/2019/08/13/pete-buttigieg-my-plan-re-imagines-opportunity-rural-america-iowa-caucus/1997170001/

On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
> On 11/30/2021 5:20 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:17:38 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
> >> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Nov 2021 22:10:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
> >> <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> >>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
> >>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
> >>> point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
> >>> reason.
> >>>
> >>> We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
> >>> is in the works.
> >> I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
> >> stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
> >> have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
> >> agrees with me.
> >
> > I'm sure someone does. At least one local gas station has an EV
> > charging station.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Figure if it takes 10 times as long to fuel up on electric as it does
> gas, do gas stations have the space to put in all these chargers?
>
> Also price of electricity at charging stations is about 3X what you pay
> at home and many people cannot charge at home.

There is no "one size fits all" solution. Some people will install
charging stations at home (that's what I'd do). Some people will
charge at gas stations. (The one I saw had a restaurant in the
same parking lot, with more restaurants across the street.)

Apparently, that one is just the tip of the iceberg:
<https://chargehub.com/en/countries/united-states/michigan/ann-arbor.html>

Cindy Hamilton

On 11/30/2021 10:19 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
>> On 11/30/2021 5:20 AM, angelica...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 3:17:38 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
>>>> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 29 Nov 2021 22:10:32 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
>>>> <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/2021 9:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming you are going to replace the car it may be sensible at some
>>>>> point. I don't see the payback to justify buying a car for only that
>>>>> reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> We still have a way to go with charging stations and the grid but that
>>>>> is in the works.
>>>> I was more dubious until I realized the obvious place to put charging
>>>> stations was at gas stations, which already exist and would be happy to
>>>> have one if they can charge for using it. I wonder if anyone involved
>>>> agrees with me.
>>>
>>> I'm sure someone does. At least one local gas station has an EV
>>> charging station.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Figure if it takes 10 times as long to fuel up on electric as it does
>> gas, do gas stations have the space to put in all these chargers?
>>
>> Also price of electricity at charging stations is about 3X what you pay
>> at home and many people cannot charge at home.
>
> There is no "one size fits all" solution. Some people will install
> charging stations at home (that's what I'd do). Some people will
> charge at gas stations. (The one I saw had a restaurant in the
> same parking lot, with more restaurants across the street.)
>
> Apparently, that one is just the tip of the iceberg:
> <https://chargehub.com/en/countries/united-states/michigan/ann-arbor.html>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Clipped this from Edmunds:

"The Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment: $200-$1,000+

Plug-in vehicles today typically come with the ability to charge at home
on standard household current, 120 volts, which is called Level 1
charging. They also can charge on faster 240-volt circuits, called Level
2 charging.

If the vehicle has a small battery, under 10 kWh, you can often make do
with the Level 1 charging system that comes with the vehicle. For
plug-in cars with larger batteries, Level 2 is your best bet for
overnight charging and quick top-ups.

Most automakers with plug-in vehicles in their lineups have a preferred
charger provider, but there are dozens of companies selling EVSEs. A
search online will help you find the features, power output and pricing
that best suit your need. Just search for "EVSE" or "EV home chargers."
Prices for quality Level 2 home systems can range from just under $200
to more than $1,000 before installation.
Cost of Installation: $800-$1,300

Installation costs for EVSEs vary by region, depending on such factors
as local labor rates, materials used, and government permit costs and
requirements.

The biggest variable is permit costs, said Ken Sapp, general manager of
Qmerit's Energy and EV Solutions unit. The Southern California company
specializes in connecting homeowners with qualified EVSE installers
throughout the U.S.

Nationally, average costs for a home EVSE installation with a short and
uncomplicated 10-foot wiring, which runs from the electrical service box
to the charging station, range from $800 to $1,300, Sapp said.

The costliest region is the Western U.S., where installation can run
from $950 to $1,300. It's least expensive in the Central U.S. states, at
$800 to $1,100. Costs in the Southeast states can range from $850 to
$1,150, while Northeast costs run from $900 to $1,200."

My brother in law spent $3,000 to upgrade his home's electrical system
just to recharge his hybrid.

Also read that about 2/3rds of us live in single family homes and can do
this.

Only charging stations I have seen here in DE were in hospital parking
garages where it would be easy to install with existing parking places.

On 11/30/2021 8:56 AM, Frank wrote:
> On 11/30/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/30/2021 7:33 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 11:08:17 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On 11/29/2021 07:50 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>>> Out transportation secretary thinks it would be a good idea.
>>>>> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/29/pete-buttigieg-rural-drivers-should-buy-electric-cars-because-they-use-the-most-gas/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Buttplug must have forgotten that little fiasco in Texas last February.
>>>> I doubt the HyperCharge stations were functioning. Maybe he should go
>>>> back to wet nursing the kids.
>>>
>>>       Do any of the gas stations in your area have backup
>>> generators?   None here in Nebraska
>>> have that I know of.  There hasn't been an extended big power outage
>>> here since the
>>> spring of 1976.
>>>
>>
>> Many in Florida are required to have them.
>
> Years ago I had a fiend now deceased in the EPA concerned with the
> proliferation of all these generators and the pollution they would cause.

I'm sure they are some of the least efficient most polluting around.
With a long outage though, most of us are not prepared to live in a dark
cave.