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* "Small" USA internet troll farm v. PRC [Reuters]A. Filip
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"Small" USA internet troll farm v. PRC [Reuters]

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Subject: "Small" USA internet troll farm v. PRC [Reuters]
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 by: A. Filip - Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:13 UTC

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/14/2315243/cia-used-chinese-social-media-in-covert-influence-operation-against-xi-jinpings-government
> […] Two years into office, President Donald Trump authorized the Central
> Intelligence Agency to launch a clandestine campaign on Chinese
> social media aimed at turning public opinion in China against its
> government, according to former U.S. officials with direct knowledge
> of the highly classified operation. Three former officials told
> Reuters that the CIA created a small team of operatives who used
> bogus internet identities to spread negative narratives about Xi
> Jinping's government while leaking disparaging intelligence to
> overseas news outlets. The effort, which began in 2019, has not been
> previously reported. […]
> [SRC-0] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/
> > Exclusive: Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against China
> > March 14, 20245:18 PM GMT+1Updated 13 hours ago

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Re: "Small" USA internet troll farm v. PRC [Reuters]

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 by: bmoore - Fri, 15 Mar 2024 15:33 UTC

In article <anfi+f7nhhqgawf-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/14/2315243/cia-used-chinese-social-media-in-covert-influence-operation-against-xi-jinpings-government
>> […] Two years into office, President Donald Trump authorized the Central
>> Intelligence Agency to launch a clandestine campaign on Chinese
>> social media aimed at turning public opinion in China against its
>> government, according to former U.S. officials with direct knowledge
>> of the highly classified operation. Three former officials told
>> Reuters that the CIA created a small team of operatives who used
>> bogus internet identities to spread negative narratives about Xi
>> Jinping's government while leaking disparaging intelligence to
>> overseas news outlets. The effort, which began in 2019, has not been
>> previously reported. […]
>> [SRC-0] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/
>> > Exclusive: Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against China
>> > March 14, 20245:18 PM GMT+1Updated 13 hours ago

Interesting, but almost certainly miniscule compared to PRC troll farms.

Re: "Small" USA internet troll farm v. PRC [Reuters]

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 by: A. Filip - Fri, 15 Mar 2024 17:30 UTC

bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) wrote:
> In article <anfi+f7nhhqgawf-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>>https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/14/2315243/cia-used-chinese-social-media-in-covert-influence-operation-against-xi-jinpings-government
>>> […] Two years into office, President Donald Trump authorized the Central
>>> Intelligence Agency to launch a clandestine campaign on Chinese
>>> social media aimed at turning public opinion in China against its
>>> government, according to former U.S. officials with direct knowledge
>>> of the highly classified operation. Three former officials told
>>> Reuters that the CIA created a small team of operatives who used
>>> bogus internet identities to spread negative narratives about Xi
>>> Jinping's government while leaking disparaging intelligence to
>>> overseas news outlets. The effort, which began in 2019, has not been
>>> previously reported. […]
>>> [SRC-0] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/
>>> > Exclusive: Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against China
>>> > March 14, 20245:18 PM GMT+1Updated 13 hours ago
>
> Interesting, but almost certainly miniscule compared to PRC troll farms.

Do you dare suggest mere Russian/Chinese trolls' quality?
I do not. Quality of supporting organizations must make huge difference.
I am 100% sure that USA trolls had been not low wage competitive (cheap).
I am sure they were capable to deliver effects worth money anyway.

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| (The League of Sadistic Telepaths)

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 by: bmoore - Sun, 17 Mar 2024 18:48 UTC

In article <anfi+1jr1vlujef-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) wrote:
>> In article <anfi+f7nhhqgawf-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>>>https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/14/2315243/cia-used-chinese-social-media-in-covert-influence-operation-against-xi-jinpings-government
>>>> […] Two years into office, President Donald Trump authorized the Central
>>>> Intelligence Agency to launch a clandestine campaign on Chinese
>>>> social media aimed at turning public opinion in China against its
>>>> government, according to former U.S. officials with direct knowledge
>>>> of the highly classified operation. Three former officials told
>>>> Reuters that the CIA created a small team of operatives who used
>>>> bogus internet identities to spread negative narratives about Xi
>>>> Jinping's government while leaking disparaging intelligence to
>>>> overseas news outlets. The effort, which began in 2019, has not been
>>>> previously reported. […]
>>>> [SRC-0] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/
>>>> > Exclusive: Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against China
>>>> > March 14, 20245:18 PM GMT+1Updated 13 hours ago
>>
>> Interesting, but almost certainly miniscule compared to PRC troll farms.
>
>Do you dare suggest mere Russian/Chinese trolls' quality?

China and Russia are nastier than the US.

>I do not. Quality of supporting organizations must make huge difference.
>I am 100% sure that USA trolls had been not low wage competitive (cheap).
>I am sure they were capable to deliver effects worth money anyway.

Why so sure?

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 by: A. Filip - Sun, 17 Mar 2024 19:46 UTC

bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) wrote:
> In article <anfi+1jr1vlujef-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>>bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) wrote:
>>> In article <anfi+f7nhhqgawf-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>>>>https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/14/2315243/cia-used-chinese-social-media-in-covert-influence-operation-against-xi-jinpings-government
[…]
>>> Interesting, but almost certainly miniscule compared to PRC troll farms.
>>
>>Do you dare suggest mere Russian/Chinese trolls' quality?
>
> China and Russia are nastier than the US.
> […]

Effectiveness stupid!.

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 by: bmoore - Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:41 UTC

In article <anfi+hxfsdlm3pf-o3h0@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) wrote:
>> In article <anfi+1jr1vlujef-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>>>bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) wrote:
>>>> In article <anfi+f7nhhqgawf-o3f5@wp.eu>, A. Filip <anfi@wp.eu> wrote:
>>>>>https://yro.slashdot.org/story/24/03/14/2315243/cia-used-chinese-social-media-in-covert-influence-operation-against-xi-jinpings-government
>[…]
>>>> Interesting, but almost certainly miniscule compared to PRC troll farms.
>>>
>>>Do you dare suggest mere Russian/Chinese trolls' quality?
>>
>> China and Russia are nastier than the US.
>> […]
>
>Effectiveness stupid!.

OK, LT Lee is gone. He was a fool, a syncophant for the CCP. The truth of the way the PRC persecutes dissent must be addressed before
any kind of real comparison between the US and China can be discussed. Facts supersede propaganda. False equivalence stinks.

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