"Charmed, I'm sure"

now i see... it sounds a bit (ever slightly) stilted or pompous.

------- You don't say "Charmed, I'm sure" when you meet someone who you worship, admire, etc.

https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/etgp5f/why_did_people_used_to_say_charmed_im_sure_it/

>>> It can be read as slightly backhanded, since it amounts to “You haven’t impressed me yet, but I have no doubt you will eventually.”

Le 21/08/2022 à 20:49, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> "Charmed, I'm sure"
>
> now i see... it sounds a bit (ever slightly) stilted or pompous.
>
> ------- You don't say "Charmed, I'm sure" when you meet someone who you worship, admire, etc.
>
>
> https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/etgp5f/why_did_people_used_to_say_charmed_im_sure_it/
>
>>>> It can be read as slightly backhanded, since it amounts to “You haven’t impressed me yet, but I have no doubt you will eventually.”

I think it can be sincere, bantering, sarcastic, whatever. It's all in
the tone and the manner.

BTW, my eye stumbles on "Why did people used to say...". It sounds
clumsy to me. In such cases, I'd drop the 'd' from 'used'.

"The most common form of question is auxiliary did + use(d) to. Many
people consider the form with a final -d to be incorrect" -
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/used-to>

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:19:33 PM UTC-7, Hibou wrote:
> Le 21/08/2022 à 20:49, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >
> > "Charmed, I'm sure"
> >
> > now i see... it sounds a bit (ever slightly) stilted or pompous.
> >
> > ------- You don't say "Charmed, I'm sure" when you meet someone who you worship, admire, etc.
> >
> >
> > https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/etgp5f/why_did_people_used_to_say_charmed_im_sure_it/
> >
> >>>> It can be read as slightly backhanded, since it amounts to “You haven’t impressed me yet, but I have no doubt you will eventually.”

> I think it can be sincere, bantering, sarcastic, whatever. It's all in
> the tone and the manner.
>

some guy (a Net(quora) - Sage) says:
>>> I don’t believe it ever was used in real life. There’s a good discussion of this question here: Cinematic slang: Charmed, I'm sure - Cladrite Radio
https://cladriteradio.com/cinematic-slang-charmed-im-sure/#comments

It was a cliche of early films, used first to show that the character is socially inexperienced and therefore tries too hard, and later to show that the character is cold and sarcastic.
So it originated as a fictional mistake.

----------- What are some other phrases (expressions) that are used only in films or on Stage ?

Le 22/08/2022 à 06:39, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:19:33 PM UTC-7, Hibou wrote:
>> Le 21/08/2022 à 20:49, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>>
>>> "Charmed, I'm sure" [...]
>
>> I think it can be sincere, bantering, sarcastic, whatever. It's all in
>> the tone and the manner.
>
> some guy (a Net(quora) - Sage) says:
> >>> I don’t believe it ever was used in real life. There’s a good discussion of this question here: Cinematic slang: Charmed, I'm sure - Cladrite Radio
> https://cladriteradio.com/cinematic-slang-charmed-im-sure/#comments
>
> It was a cliche of early films, used first to show that the character is socially inexperienced and therefore tries too hard, and later to show that the character is cold and sarcastic.
> So it originated as a fictional mistake.
>
> ----------- What are some other phrases (expressions) that are used only in films or on Stage ?

You're going a bit quickly, I think, taking "some guy" to be an
authority on the English language.

Google Books finds a number of instances from the 1880s, when film was
just learning to crawl, before it could walk and talk, e.g.:

"'Charmed, I'm sure," smiled Fanny" -
'The Independent', 1882/03/30, p.26.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 06:19:28 +0100
Hibou <h.i@b.ou> wrote:

> Le 21/08/2022 à 20:49, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >
> > "Charmed, I'm sure"
> >
> > now i see... it sounds a bit (ever slightly) stilted or pompous.
> >
> > ------- You don't say "Charmed, I'm sure" when you meet someone who you worship, admire, etc.
> >
> >
> > https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/etgp5f/why_did_people_used_to_say_charmed_im_sure_it/
> >
> >>>> It can be read as slightly backhanded, since it amounts to “You haven’t impressed me yet, but I have no doubt you will eventually.”
>
> I think it can be sincere, bantering, sarcastic, whatever. It's all in
> the tone and the manner.
>
>
> BTW, my eye stumbles on "Why did people used to say...". It sounds
> clumsy to me. In such cases, I'd drop the 'd' from 'used'.
>

Not valid in My English. (It'd /sound/ the same though).

Easier to drop 'used to', even if it's not as logically correct.

> "The most common form of question is auxiliary did + use(d) to. Many
> people consider the form with a final -d to be incorrect" -
> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/used-to>

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Le 22/08/2022 à 09:34, Kerr-Mudd, John a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
>>
>> BTW, my eye stumbles on "Why did people used to say...". It sounds
>> clumsy to me. In such cases, I'd drop the 'd' from 'used'.
>
> Not valid in My English. (It'd /sound/ the same though).

Leaving the 'd' silent is a possibility. In search of enlightenment, I
find that Fowler, in 'MEU' (1996), speaks of the negative (not
interrogative) form thus: "The proper negative form is therefore /He
used not to/ (or, colloquially, he usedn't to); but /He didn't use to/
should be regarded rather as an archaism than as the vulgarism...."

GNV finds "did he use to" was popular before about 1850, and more
frequent since then than "did he used to" - this in British English. It
finds the same effect in American, only more marked.

> Easier to drop 'used to', even if it's not as logically correct.

Come now! England expects and all that!

On 8/22/2022 1:19 AM, Hibou wrote:
> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :

>> "Charmed, I'm sure"

>> now i see... it sounds a bit (ever slightly) stilted or
>> pompous.

>> ------- You don't say "Charmed, I'm sure" when you meet
>> someone who you worship, admire, etc.

>> https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/etgp5f/why_did_people_used_to_say_charmed_im_sure_it/
>>
>>>>> It can be read as slightly backhanded, since it amounts to
>>>>> “You haven’t impressed me yet, but I have no doubt you will
>>>>> eventually.”

> I think it can be sincere, bantering, sarcastic, whatever. It's all
> in the tone and the manner.

> BTW, my eye stumbles on "Why did people used to say...". It sounds
> clumsy to me. In such cases, I'd drop the 'd' from 'used'.

So would I; and so I have done here. But some people consider "useta"
['just@] an invariable form in all tenses, and spell it "used to".

Mark Brader defended that position here some years ago.

> "The most common form of question is auxiliary did + use(d) to. Many
> people consider the form with a final -d to be incorrect" -
> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/used-to>

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 1:19:33 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:

> BTW, my eye stumbles on "Why did people used to say...". It sounds
> clumsy to me. In such cases, I'd drop the 'd' from 'used'.

You ciuld spell it "useta."

> "The most common form of question is auxiliary did + use(d) to. Many
> people consider the form with a final -d to be incorrect" -
> <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/used-to>

They're wrong. It's not Formal English, so there's no right or wrong
about a spelling.

On Mon, 22 Aug 2022 10:17:39 +0100
Hibou <h.i@b.ou> wrote:

> Le 22/08/2022 à 09:34, Kerr-Mudd, John a écrit :
> > Hibou wrote:
> >>
> >> BTW, my eye stumbles on "Why did people used to say...". It sounds
> >> clumsy to me. In such cases, I'd drop the 'd' from 'used'.
> >
> > Not valid in My English. (It'd /sound/ the same though).
>
> Leaving the 'd' silent is a possibility. In search of enlightenment, I
> find that Fowler, in 'MEU' (1996), speaks of the negative (not
> interrogative) form thus: "The proper negative form is therefore /He
> used not to/ (or, colloquially, he usedn't to); but /He didn't use to/
> should be regarded rather as an archaism than as the vulgarism...."
>
> GNV finds "did he use to" was popular before about 1850, and more
> frequent since then than "did he used to" - this in British English. It
> finds the same effect in American, only more marked.
>
> > Easier to drop 'used to', even if it's not as logically correct.
>
> Come now! England expects and all that!

A blind eye?
I'd prefer a blunt stic... oh hang on.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 22-Aug-22 10:17, Hibou wrote:
> Le 22/08/2022 à 09:34, Kerr-Mudd, John a écrit :
>> Hibou wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, my eye stumbles on "Why did people used to say...". It sounds
>>> clumsy to me. In such cases, I'd drop the 'd' from 'used'.
>>
>> Not valid in My English. (It'd /sound/ the same though).
>
> Leaving the 'd' silent is a possibility. In search of enlightenment, I
> find that Fowler, in 'MEU' (1996), speaks of the negative (not
> interrogative) form thus: "The proper negative form is therefore /He
> used not to/ (or, colloquially, he usedn't to); but /He didn't use to/
> should be regarded rather as an archaism than as the vulgarism...."
>
> GNV finds "did he use to" was popular before about 1850, and more
> frequent since then than "did he used to" - this in British English. It
> finds the same effect in American, only more marked.
>
>> Easier to drop 'used to', even if it's not as logically correct.
>
> Come now! England expects and all that!

I would prefer "Why did people once say..."

--
Sam Plusnet