https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/22/world/europe/beeri-massacre.html

Israel is more powerful than Hamas and is heavy handed. But no one can deny that Hamas is really mean, on a personal level.

Yet we never hear a single word criticizing Hamas. Why?

bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/22/world/europe/beeri-massacre.html
>
> Israel is more powerful than Hamas and is heavy handed. But no one can
> deny that Hamas is really mean, on a personal level.
>
> Yet we never hear a single word criticizing Hamas. Why?

e.g. because Hamas may fly below China/PRC radar unlike Israel.
Is this particular conflict really important *for China* ? I doubt.
China/PRC *may* choose to treat it as (diplomatically) important
with many levels of importance to choose from.

The World does not revolve around Jews, does it?

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> A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
> -- Winston Churchill

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| native word "lies". (Henrik Ibsen, "The Wild Duck")

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 10:20:59 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/22/world/europe/beeri-massacre.html
>
> Israel is more powerful than Hamas and is heavy handed. But no one can deny that Hamas is really mean, on a personal level.
>
> Yet we never hear a single word criticizing Hamas. Why?

Feel free to speculate the WHY. Yet the people's eyes are reading and seeing what have
happened and they reach their own conclusion.

The following from Australia's ABC news published 5 hours ago gives a good summary:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-24/joe-biden-israel-gaza-analysis/103261514

"Eleven days after 1,200 people were killed in the brutal October 7 attacks, the
American president was in Tel Aviv with a message for grieving Israelis.Israel, you are
not alone," he promised. "The United States stands with you."

In the weeks since, the world's watched Israel bomb Gaza tens of thousands of times.
Declaring it wants to eliminate Hamas, it's hit hospitals, residential neighbourhoods,
and crowded evacuation sites it had told Palestinians were "safe".

A stream of images of children and families experiencing unimaginable human-inflicted
horrors has motivated protesters to take to the streets in huge numbers, and a majority of
nations to call for a ceasefire.
Through it all, the US has stuck to its promise to stand with Israel. But for Joe Biden — faced
with public protests and pressure inside his party — it's become a more uncomfortable place
to stand.

"Genocide Joe" has been a common chant at rallies, and a trending tag on social media. The
White House says it's inappropriate. But for many, the moniker has stuck.
And so, as he battles to counter that perception, the way Biden talks about Israel has been
changing.

Evolving language
Initially, Biden largely left it to his White House advisors to telegraph the administration's
concerns about civilians.
About a month after war was declared, Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke after a visit
to the Middle East. "Far too many Palestinians have been killed," he told media in India on his
way home.
The comment made headlines because it was the closest the US had come to criticising
Israel's military actions. In the subsequent weeks, the line was repeated frequently by spokes-
people at White House and State Department press podiums.

A day earlier, Biden himself spoke about Benjamin Netanyahu's resistance to pauses in fighting
to allow aid into Gaza. Asked if he was frustrated with the Israeli prime minister, Biden said: "It's
taken a little longer than I hoped."
....
The shift in language was significant — but appeared to achieve little. Hospitals weren't protected
— most are now barely functioning. Genuine pauses have been rare, aid is scarce and a famine
disaster looms. And civilians continue to be killed en masse.

Shifting sympathies
Biden's complaint about indiscriminate bombing is his strongest public criticism of Israel since
October 7. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited by international humanitarian law.

But his comments were generous, too — particularly his insistence that Israel enjoyed most of
the world's support.

Within hours of that comment, 153 nations had demanded an immediate ceasefire via a UN vote.
The resolution expressed "grave concern over the catastrophic humanitarian situation in the Gaza
Strip". Just 10 countries — including the US and Israel — voted against it, and 23 abstained.
....
While many Western leaders were still giving qualified support to Israel, large chunks of the rest of
the world had been condemning its bombardment of Gaza for weeks.
....
The Biden administration has for days been saying it's encouraging Israel to switch to a new phase
of battle, with more targeted tactics.

But with no consequences for "indiscriminate bombing", and no conditions on weapons supply,
Biden's words about civilian welfare look to be doing little to alleviate any of Gaza's misery.

So the humanitarian catastrophe only worsens each day. The images of human-inflicted horror keep
coming — and so do the chants of "Genocide Joe".

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 2:45:44 PM UTC-8, A. Filip wrote:
> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/22/world/europe/beeri-massacre.html
> >
> > Israel is more powerful than Hamas and is heavy handed. But no one can
> > deny that Hamas is really mean, on a personal level.
> >
> > Yet we never hear a single word criticizing Hamas. Why?
> e.g. because Hamas may fly below China/PRC radar unlike Israel.
> Is this particular conflict really important *for China* ? I doubt.
> China/PRC *may* choose to treat it as (diplomatically) important
> with many levels of importance to choose from.
>
> The World does not revolve around Jews, does it?

it's totally obviously dumb to bash Israel with nary a word about the evils of Hamas. But.... this is normal for this NG.

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 4:42:35 PM UTC-8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 10:20:59 PM UTC, bmoore wrote:
> > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/22/world/europe/beeri-massacre.html
> >
> > Israel is more powerful than Hamas and is heavy handed. But no one can deny that Hamas is really mean, on a personal level.
> >
> > Yet we never hear a single word criticizing Hamas. Why?
> Feel free to speculate the WHY. Yet the people's eyes are reading and seeing what have
> happened and they reach their own conclusion.

Really dumb conclusions. No respect for the opinions of those who use crappy logic.

You're not fooling anyone.

> The following from Australia's ABC news published 5 hours ago gives a good summary:
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-24/joe-biden-israel-gaza-analysis/103261514
>
> "Eleven days after 1,200 people were killed in the brutal October 7 attacks, the
> American president was in Tel Aviv with a message for grieving Israelis.Israel, you are
> not alone," he promised. "The United States stands with you."
>
> In the weeks since, the world's watched Israel bomb Gaza tens of thousands of times.
> Declaring it wants to eliminate Hamas, it's hit hospitals, residential neighbourhoods,
> and crowded evacuation sites it had told Palestinians were "safe".
>
> A stream of images of children and families experiencing unimaginable human-inflicted
> horrors has motivated protesters to take to the streets in huge numbers, and a majority of
> nations to call for a ceasefire.
> Through it all, the US has stuck to its promise to stand with Israel. But for Joe Biden — faced
> with public protests and pressure inside his party — it's become a more uncomfortable place
> to stand.
>
> "Genocide Joe" has been a common chant at rallies, and a trending tag on social media. The
> White House says it's inappropriate. But for many, the moniker has stuck.
> And so, as he battles to counter that perception, the way Biden talks about Israel has been
> changing.
>
> Evolving language
> Initially, Biden largely left it to his White House advisors to telegraph the administration's
> concerns about civilians.
> About a month after war was declared, Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke after a visit
> to the Middle East. "Far too many Palestinians have been killed," he told media in India on his
> way home.
> The comment made headlines because it was the closest the US had come to criticising
> Israel's military actions. In the subsequent weeks, the line was repeated frequently by spokes-
> people at White House and State Department press podiums.
>
> A day earlier, Biden himself spoke about Benjamin Netanyahu's resistance to pauses in fighting
> to allow aid into Gaza. Asked if he was frustrated with the Israeli prime minister, Biden said: "It's
> taken a little longer than I hoped."
> ...
> The shift in language was significant — but appeared to achieve little. Hospitals weren't protected
> — most are now barely functioning. Genuine pauses have been rare, aid is scarce and a famine
> disaster looms. And civilians continue to be killed en masse.
>
> Shifting sympathies
> Biden's complaint about indiscriminate bombing is his strongest public criticism of Israel since
> October 7. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited by international humanitarian law.
>
> But his comments were generous, too — particularly his insistence that Israel enjoyed most of
> the world's support.
>
> Within hours of that comment, 153 nations had demanded an immediate ceasefire via a UN vote.
> The resolution expressed "grave concern over the catastrophic humanitarian situation in the Gaza
> Strip". Just 10 countries — including the US and Israel — voted against it, and 23 abstained.
> ...
> While many Western leaders were still giving qualified support to Israel, large chunks of the rest of
> the world had been condemning its bombardment of Gaza for weeks.
> ...
> The Biden administration has for days been saying it's encouraging Israel to switch to a new phase
> of battle, with more targeted tactics.
>
> But with no consequences for "indiscriminate bombing", and no conditions on weapons supply,
> Biden's words about civilian welfare look to be doing little to alleviate any of Gaza's misery.
>
> So the humanitarian catastrophe only worsens each day. The images of human-inflicted horror keep
> coming — and so do the chants of "Genocide Joe".

On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 10:45:44 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/12/22/world/europe/beeri-massacre.html
> >
> > Israel is more powerful than Hamas and is heavy handed. But no one can
> > deny that Hamas is really mean, on a personal level.
> >
> > Yet we never hear a single word criticizing Hamas. Why?
> e.g. because Hamas may fly below China/PRC radar unlike Israel.
> Is this particular conflict really important *for China* ? I doubt.
> China/PRC *may* choose to treat it as (diplomatically) important
> with many levels of importance to choose from.
>
> The World does not revolve around Jews, does it?

The US had been involved in the Middle East helping Israel during the several wars.
It did a great job helping Israel established itself securely in the originally Palestinian
land.

But the US is less admirable in protecting the Palestinians. China is one country which
can contribute to help the Palestinians.
>
> https://www.azquotes.com/author/2886-Winston_Churchill/tag/change
> > A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject..
> > -- Winston Churchill
>
> --
> A. Filip
> | Do not use that foreign word "ideals". We have that excellent
> | native word "lies". (Henrik Ibsen, "The Wild Duck")