"In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death prism of human rights.

To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation: They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the White House more likely."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of
> respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s
> response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too
> harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not
> viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit
> with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death
> prism of human rights.
>
> To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war
> crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation:
> They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian
> people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their
> government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that
> continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of
> fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the
> White House more likely."
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html

Positioning _significantly_ better than Bidden may be "tricky and risky" IMHO,

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On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:16:17 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > "In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of
> > respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s
> > response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too
> > harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not
> > viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit
> > with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death
> > prism of human rights.
> >
> > To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war
> > crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation:
> > They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian
> > people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their
> > government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that
> > continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of
> > fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the
> > White House more likely."
> >
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html
> Positioning _significantly_ better than Bidden may be "tricky and risky" IMHO,
>
>
Don't quite understand. Please elaborate.

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 7:09:49 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> "In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death prism of human rights.
>
> To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation: They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the White House more likely."
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html

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From the WSJ using different poll results:

"The latest Siena College-New York Times poll of six battleground states, released on the weekend, is a five-alarm fire for Democrats
a year before the election. It shows Mr. Biden losing to Donald Trump in five of six states on which the 2024 election is likely to hang.

Mr. Biden trails Mr. Trump by 10 points in Nevada, six in Georgia, five in Arizona and Michigan, and four in Pennsylvania. He leads only
in Wisconsin in the survey, and there by two points. Those are awful numbers for an incumbent and would add up to more than 300
votes in the Electoral College. Numbers like that could help the GOP pick up Senate seats in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona.

Especially striking is that Mr. Biden does worse than even Vice President Kamala Harris against Mr. Trump. A generic, unnamed Democrat
leads Mr. Trump by eight points. This suggests voters have soured on Mr. Biden in particular, and the survey shows 71% of voters think
he is too old to run again, including 51% of Democrats.
....
The war in the Middle East is now dividing Mr. Biden’s coalition, as anti-Israel progressives turn on the President. We think Mr. Biden
deserves credit for supporting Israel, and so do most Democrats. But in a closely divided country, even a small defection by a core group
of voters can turn a swing state."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-five-alarm-biden-re-election-fire-nyt-siena-trump-2024-2f3f826c

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:16:17 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>> > "In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of
>> > respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s
>> > response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too
>> > harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not
>> > viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit
>> > with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death
>> > prism of human rights.
>> >
>> > To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war
>> > crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation:
>> > They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian
>> > people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their
>> > government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that
>> > continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of
>> > fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the
>> > White House more likely."
>> >
>> > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html
>> Positioning _significantly_ better than Bidden may be "tricky and risky" IMHO,
>>
> Don't quite understand. Please elaborate.

IMHO Anti-Biden may easily gain this group of voters at cost of alienating
other groups of voters. Gaining them at low cost elsewhere will be
"tricky and risky" IMHO,

<paraphrase> Consistency stupid! </paraphrase>

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A. Filip
| We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds.
| (Linus Torvalds)

On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 12:39:10 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:16:17 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> > "In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of
> >> > respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s
> >> > response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too
> >> > harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not
> >> > viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit
> >> > with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death
> >> > prism of human rights.
> >> >
> >> > To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war
> >> > crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation:
> >> > They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian
> >> > people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their
> >> > government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that
> >> > continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of
> >> > fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the
> >> > White House more likely."
> >> >
> >> > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html
> >> Positioning _significantly_ better than Bidden may be "tricky and risky" IMHO,
> >>
> > Don't quite understand. Please elaborate.
> IMHO Anti-Biden may easily gain this group of voters at cost of alienating
> other groups of voters. Gaining them at low cost elsewhere will be
> "tricky and risky" IMHO,

What other groups of voters?
Large groups of voters or small but wealthy groups of voters? Do the Americans support the ‘special relationship?’

"First, even if it were true that the public had "overwhelming sympathy" for Israel, it does not immediately follow that United
States policy would necessarily follow suit. U.S. officials frequently do things that a majority of Americans oppose,
....
Second, to the extent that the American public does have a favorable image of Israel — and there’s no question that it does —
that is at least partly due to the lobby’s own efforts to shape public discourse and stifle negative commentary.
....
Third, and most important, the evidence suggests that the American people are not in favor of a one-sided "special relationship"
where Israel gets unconditional American backing no matter what it does."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/06/03/do-the-american-people-support-the-special-relationship/

> <paraphrase> Consistency stupid! </paraphrase>
>
> --
> A. Filip
> | We all know Linux is great... it does infinite loops in 5 seconds.
> | (Linus Torvalds)

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 12:39:10 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:16:17 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
>> >> ltlee1 wrote:
>> >> > "In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of
>> >> > respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s
>> >> > response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too
>> >> > harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not
>> >> > viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit
>> >> > with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death
>> >> > prism of human rights.
>> >> >
>> >> > To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war
>> >> > crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation:
>> >> > They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian
>> >> > people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their
>> >> > government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that
>> >> > continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of
>> >> > fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the
>> >> > White House more likely."
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html
>> >> Positioning _significantly_ better than Bidden may be "tricky and risky" IMHO,
>> >>
>> > Don't quite understand. Please elaborate.
>> IMHO Anti-Biden may easily gain this group of voters at cost of alienating
>> other groups of voters. Gaining them at low cost elsewhere will be
>> "tricky and risky" IMHO,
>
> What other groups of voters? Large groups of voters or small but
> wealthy groups of voters? Do the Americans support the ‘special
> relationship?’
>
> "First, even if it were true that the public had "overwhelming
> sympathy" for Israel, it does not immediately follow that United
> States policy would necessarily follow suit. U.S. officials frequently
> do things that a majority of Americans oppose, ... Second, to the
> extent that the American public does have a favorable image of Israel
> — and there’s no question that it does — that is at least partly due
> to the lobby’s own efforts to shape public discourse and stifle
> negative commentary. ... Third, and most important, the evidence
> suggests that the American people are not in favor of a one-sided
> "special relationship" where Israel gets unconditional American
> backing no matter what it does."
>
> https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/06/03/do-the-american-people-support-the-special-relationship/

Of you insist on full cynicism: There will be money to alienate other
group of voters (using other issues).

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On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 1:13:50 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 7, 2023 at 12:39:10 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> > On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 9:16:17 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> >> >> ltlee1 wrote:
> >> >> > "In an Economist/YouGov survey of U.S. adults, more than a third of
> >> >> > respondents ages 18 to 29 reported that the Israeli government’s
> >> >> > response to the Oct. 7 attacks that claimed 1,400 lives is “too
> >> >> > harsh.” Each day Israel bombards Gazans and the United States is not
> >> >> > viewed as a peacemaker, Mr. Biden’s political position takes a hit
> >> >> > with younger voters who see the war largely through the life-or-death
> >> >> > prism of human rights.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To be clear, most 20- and 30-somethings agree that Hamas committed war
> >> >> > crimes in Israel. Most do not look at this as an either/or situation:
> >> >> > They want America to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian
> >> >> > people. But young progressives remain unconvinced of their
> >> >> > government’s commitment to safeguarding the innocent. If that
> >> >> > continues, the winning Biden 2020 coalition is at greater risk of
> >> >> > fracturing — and in the process, making Donald Trump’s return to the
> >> >> > White House more likely."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html
> >> >> Positioning _significantly_ better than Bidden may be "tricky and risky" IMHO,
> >> >>
> >> > Don't quite understand. Please elaborate.
> >> IMHO Anti-Biden may easily gain this group of voters at cost of alienating
> >> other groups of voters. Gaining them at low cost elsewhere will be
> >> "tricky and risky" IMHO,
> >
> > What other groups of voters? Large groups of voters or small but
> > wealthy groups of voters? Do the Americans support the ‘special
> > relationship?’
> >
> > "First, even if it were true that the public had "overwhelming
> > sympathy" for Israel, it does not immediately follow that United
> > States policy would necessarily follow suit. U.S. officials frequently
> > do things that a majority of Americans oppose, ... Second, to the
> > extent that the American public does have a favorable image of Israel
> > — and there’s no question that it does — that is at least partly due
> > to the lobby’s own efforts to shape public discourse and stifle
> > negative commentary. ... Third, and most important, the evidence
> > suggests that the American people are not in favor of a one-sided
> > "special relationship" where Israel gets unconditional American
> > backing no matter what it does."
> >
> > https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/06/03/do-the-american-people-support-the-special-relationship/
> Of you insist on full cynicism: There will be money to alienate other
> group of voters (using other issues).
>
> --
> | C makes it easy for you to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes
> | that harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg.
> | (Bjarne Stroustrup)

US election is about voter groups as well as money giving groups.
Zionist lobby is well known in its exercise of influence through campaign donation. For example,

"Pro-Israel lobbying group Aipac secretly pouring millions into defeating progressive Democrats"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/17/pro-israel-lobby-defeat-democrats-palestinians-2022

Feel free to inform on any equally powerful pro-Palestinian group spending millions?