Hi
I read for example
"Math for everyday life"
"English for everyday life"

What does "for everyday life" mean here?

Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English point of view?

Thank you very much.

On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme <lezawang@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi
>I read for example
>"Math for everyday life"
>"English for everyday life"
>
>What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>
>Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English point of view?
>
>Thank you very much.

Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the cashier
two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing that you
should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.

There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires Excel, so
it doesn't apply to Excel.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment

On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
> <lezawang@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
>> everyday life"
>>
>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>
>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English
>> point of view?
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>
> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the cashier
> two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing that you
> should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
>
> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires Excel,
> so it doesn't apply to Excel.

Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
calculate change ...

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 13/06/2022 6:13 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
>> <lezawang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
>>> everyday life"
>>>
>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>>
>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English
>>> point of view?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do.  If you give the
>> cashier
>> two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing that you
>> should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
>>
>> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires Excel,
>> so it doesn't apply to Excel.
>
> Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
> calculate change ...

....you will lack the skills for using Excel to assist in the
calculation, and in any case your till probably doesn't have
Excel installed.

For the vast majority of people, there is nothing everyday about
Excel.

To make up for this, I am told, Excel has inserted an extra day
in 1900 (and used to insert extra days in 2100, 2200, etc, but
failed to fix 1900 when it fixed those).

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:14:04 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
> > <leza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
> >> everyday life"
> >>
> >> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
> >>
> >> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English
> >> point of view?
> >>
> >> Thank you very much.
> >
> > Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the cashier
> > two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing that you
> > should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
> >
> > There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires Excel,
> > so it doesn't apply to Excel.

> Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
> calculate change ...
>
Then you'll soon be detected by the systems that most shops and all
large stores have in place, and you'll either be retrained or replaced.

bill

On 13/06/22 16:07, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:14:04 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
>>> <leza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
>>>> everyday life"
>>>>
>>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>>>
>>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from
>>>> English point of view?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the
>>> cashier two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing
>>> that you should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
>>>
>>> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires
>>> Excel, so it doesn't apply to Excel.
>
>> Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
>> calculate change ...
>>
> Then you'll soon be detected by the systems that most shops and all
> large stores have in place, and you'll either be retrained or
> replaced.

Not necessarily. Cash registers these days calculate the change, leaving
the cashier with not much to do.

Once upon a time my children's school organised a fundraiser where
families came to McDonald's for a meal, and the school ended up with a
cut of the take. We had our hamburgers and chips, or whatever they were.
I didn't want to wait until the end of the event, so I went over to the
cashier.

"Oh, sorry, the cash register isn't working right now, so I can't work
out how much you owe".

She had our bill written down on a piece of paper. About five items. I
leaned over, easily read it upside down, and told her the total.

"Yes, but how do I know that you're not just making it up?"

The manager was called. She couldn't add it up either.

Luckily another customer had a calculator. He added it up on his
calculator, and the answer turned out to be what I had said. That was
enough to satisfy the manager.

I forget how the change was calculated. Probably also on that person's
calculator.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

In article <a54bbb01-22df-402a-9859-6faf59d65b4fn@googlegroups.com>,
lezawang@gmail.com says...
>
> Hi
> I read for example
> "Math for everyday life"
> "English for everyday life"
>
> What does "for everyday life" mean here?

Oh, you know. Having enough nous to get a job and keep it long enough
to pay the rent, have a social life.

Janet

In article <t86oe5$s1p$1@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
says...
>
> On 13/06/22 16:07, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:14:04 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
> >>> <leza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
> >>>> everyday life"
> >>>>
> >>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
> >>>>
> >>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from
> >>>> English point of view?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you very much.
> >>>
> >>> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the
> >>> cashier two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing
> >>> that you should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
> >>>
> >>> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires
> >>> Excel, so it doesn't apply to Excel.
> >
> >> Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
> >> calculate change ...
> >>
> > Then you'll soon be detected by the systems that most shops and all
> > large stores have in place, and you'll either be retrained or
> > replaced.
>
> Not necessarily. Cash registers these days calculate the change, leaving
> the cashier with not much to do.
>
> Once upon a time my children's school organised a fundraiser where
> families came to McDonald's for a meal, and the school ended up with a
> cut of the take. We had our hamburgers and chips, or whatever they were.
> I didn't want to wait until the end of the event, so I went over to the
> cashier.
>
> "Oh, sorry, the cash register isn't working right now, so I can't work
> out how much you owe".
>
> She had our bill written down on a piece of paper. About five items. I
> leaned over, easily read it upside down, and told her the total.
>
> "Yes, but how do I know that you're not just making it up?"
>
> The manager was called. She couldn't add it up either.
>

I was buying an item in a chain store sale which was offering a 10 %
discount on all marked prices.

The cashier didn't know how to make the till apply the 10% discount. So
I told her how much the discount was, and what the reduced price was.

She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".

Janet

On 13/06/2022 2:52 pm, Janet wrote:
> In article <t86oe5$s1p$1@dont-email.me>, peter@pmoylan.org.invalid
> says...
>>
>> On 13/06/22 16:07, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:14:04 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>> On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
>>>>> <leza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
>>>>>> everyday life"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from
>>>>>> English point of view?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the
>>>>> cashier two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing
>>>>> that you should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires
>>>>> Excel, so it doesn't apply to Excel.
>>>
>>>> Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
>>>> calculate change ...
>>>>
>>> Then you'll soon be detected by the systems that most shops and all
>>> large stores have in place, and you'll either be retrained or
>>> replaced.
>>
>> Not necessarily. Cash registers these days calculate the change, leaving
>> the cashier with not much to do.
>>
>> Once upon a time my children's school organised a fundraiser where
>> families came to McDonald's for a meal, and the school ended up with a
>> cut of the take. We had our hamburgers and chips, or whatever they were.
>> I didn't want to wait until the end of the event, so I went over to the
>> cashier.
>>
>> "Oh, sorry, the cash register isn't working right now, so I can't work
>> out how much you owe".
>>
>> She had our bill written down on a piece of paper. About five items. I
>> leaned over, easily read it upside down, and told her the total.
>>
>> "Yes, but how do I know that you're not just making it up?"
>>
>> The manager was called. She couldn't add it up either.
>>
>
> I was buying an item in a chain store sale which was offering a 10 %
> discount on all marked prices.
>
> The cashier didn't know how to make the till apply the 10% discount. So
> I told her how much the discount was, and what the reduced price was.
>
> She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".

Genius. Pure genius.

Cf Asimov's <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power>

Perversely, the story nearly wasn't published because the editor
considered it implausible that mankind could ever forget how to
do arithmetic. Less than 70 years on, it seems it's already
happening.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:13:59 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
>> <lezawang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
>>> everyday life"
>>>
>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>>
>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English
>>> point of view?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the cashier
>> two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing that you
>> should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
>>
>> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires Excel,
>> so it doesn't apply to Excel.
>
>Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
>calculate change ...

These days, most cashiers no longer need to know how to do it. The
cash register does it for them.

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:30:51 PM UTC-4, Userme wrote:

> I read for example
> "Math for everyday life"
> "English for everyday life"
>
> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>
> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English point of view?
>
> Thank you very much.

It means that some publisher is trying to rip off the extensive
"... for Dummies" series, and that's what they came up with.

On 13/06/2022 15:03, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 13/06/2022 2:52 pm, Janet wrote:

>>   The cashier didn't know how to make the till apply the 10% discount. So
>> I told her how much the discount was, and what the reduced price was.
>>
>>   She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".
>
> Genius. Pure genius.
>
> Cf Asimov's <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power>
>
> Perversely, the story nearly wasn't published because the editor
> considered it implausible that mankind could ever forget how to do
> arithmetic. Less than 70 years on, it seems it's already happening.
>

Mental arithmetic is one of many tasks that have been sub-contracted out
to another brain.

On 13/06/2022 16:18, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> It means that some publisher is trying to rip off the extensive
> "... for Dummies" series, and that's what they came up with.

Some publisher has come up with a series of history books which all have
titles in the form:

"A Captivating Guide to..."

The reader gets to decide if the bliddy thing is captivating, not the
$%^&* publisher.

In message <J2OpK.391163$d21.310346@fx09.ams1> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 13/06/2022 15:03, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 13/06/2022 2:52 pm, Janet wrote:

>>>   The cashier didn't know how to make the till apply the 10% discount. So
>>> I told her how much the discount was, and what the reduced price was.
>>>
>>>   She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".
>>
>> Genius. Pure genius.
>>
>> Cf Asimov's <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power>
>>
>> Perversely, the story nearly wasn't published because the editor
>> considered it implausible that mankind could ever forget how to do
>> arithmetic. Less than 70 years on, it seems it's already happening.
>>

> Mental arithmetic is one of many tasks that have been sub-contracted out
> to another brain.

The idea that this is something new and unique to modern life is
hilarious.

I recall reading something as a child set (and almost certainly
written) in the late 19th or early 20th century where the shopkeeper was
bemoaning his staff's inability to make change and relying on the cash
register for the simplest math.

Complaining about the yoots seems to be a favored pastime among many old
people who have a very distorted recollection of how things used to be.

“Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is
writing a book.” -Cicero

--
Friction can be a real drag.

* Janet <MPG.3d1151915e58679298972c @news.individual.net> :
Wrote on Mon, 13 Jun 2022 14:52:56 +0100:
> In article <t86oe5$s1p$1@dont-email.me>, peter @pmoylan.org.invalid
> says...
>>
>> On 13/06/22 16:07, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:14:04 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> >> On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
>> >>> <leza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
>> >>>> everyday life"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from
>> >>>> English point of view?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you very much.
>> >>>
>> >>> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do. If you give the
>> >>> cashier two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing
>> >>> that you should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
>> >>>
>> >>> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires
>> >>> Excel, so it doesn't apply to Excel.
>> >
>> >> Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
>> >> calculate change ...
>> >>
>> > Then you'll soon be detected by the systems that most shops and all
>> > large stores have in place, and you'll either be retrained or
>> > replaced.
>>
>> Not necessarily. Cash registers these days calculate the change, leaving
>> the cashier with not much to do.
>>
>> Once upon a time my children's school organised a fundraiser where
>> families came to McDonald's for a meal, and the school ended up with
>> a cut of the take. We had our hamburgers and chips, or whatever they
>> were. I didn't want to wait until the end of the event, so I went
>> over to the cashier. "Oh, sorry, the cash register isn't working
>> right now, so I can't work out how much you owe". She had our bill
>> written down on a piece of paper. About five items. I leaned over,
>> easily read it upside down, and told her the total. "Yes, but how do
>> I know that you're not just making it up?" The manager was
>> called. She couldn't add it up either.
>>
>
> I was buying an item in a chain store sale which was offering a 10 %
> discount on all marked prices. The cashier didn't know how to make
> the till apply the 10% discount. So I told her how much the discount
> was, and what the reduced price was.
>
> She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".

The anecdotes are great, but the great mindshift is in accepting that
the prices are going to variable and you really need to be online to
compute and finish the transaction. tax slabs like gst that vary like
the price of gas varies day by day

On 13/06/22 23:52, Janet wrote:

> I was buying an item in a chain store sale which was offering a 10
> % discount on all marked prices.
>
> The cashier didn't know how to make the till apply the 10% discount.
> So I told her how much the discount was, and what the reduced price
> was.
>
> She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".

The answer is clear enough. By getting the sort of education that didn't
condemn you to spend your life behind a cash register.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 14/06/22 01:18, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 10:30:51 PM UTC-4, Userme wrote:
>
>> I read for example
>> "Math for everyday life"
>> "English for everyday life"
>>
>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>
>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English
>> point of view?
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>
> It means that some publisher is trying to rip off the extensive "...
> for Dummies" series, and that's what they came up with.

I was once in a book shop where I saw two computer books side by side on
the shelf. The titles were "Linux for Advanced Users" and "Windows for
Dummies".

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

* Peter Moylan <t891g8$smo$2 @dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:06:32 +1000:
>
> I was once in a book shop where I saw two computer books side by side on
> the shelf. The titles were "Linux for Advanced Users" and "Windows for
> Dummies".

Have you seen "Git for Computer Scientists" ?

(Git is the source version control system that powers github, gitlab,...
and Computer Scientists is apparently an euphemism for Dummies)

On 14/06/2022 5:03 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 13/06/22 23:52, Janet wrote:
>
>> I was buying an item in a chain store sale which  was offering
>> a 10
>> % discount on all marked prices.
>>
>> The cashier didn't know how to make the till apply the 10%
>> discount.
>> So I told her how much the discount was, and what the reduced
>> price
>> was.
>>
>> She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".
>
> The answer is clear enough. By getting the sort of education that
> didn't
> condemn you to spend your life behind a cash register.

....or indeed *qualify* you to spend your life behind a cash register.

I wonder whether the cashier in question has considered a career
as Deputy Leader of the Opposition. The money's not great, of
course, but the prospects are impressive.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

On 13/06/2022 07:28, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 13/06/2022 6:13 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 13/06/22 13:13, TonyCooper wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 19:30:48 -0700 (PDT), Userme
>>> <lezawang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi I read for example "Math for everyday life" "English for
>>>> everyday life"
>>>>
>>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>>>
>>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English
>>>> point of view?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> Everyday life is the ordinary things we do.  If you give the cashier
>>> two dollar bills for something that costs $1.60, knowing that you
>>> should get 40 cents in change is everyday math.
>>>
>>> There is nothing you do in your ordinary life that requires Excel,
>>> so it doesn't apply to Excel.
>>
>> Of course, if you happen to be a cashier who doesn't know how to
>> calculate change ...
>
> ...you will lack the skills for using Excel to assist in the
> calculation, and in any case your till probably doesn't have Excel
> installed.
>
> For the vast majority of people, there is nothing everyday about Excel.
>

Except for those with imagination. I am sure Mr. Tatsuo Horiuchi uses
his Excel every day.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrwBc6PwAcY>

On 14/06/2022 03:37, Madhu wrote:
> * Janet <MPG.3d1151915e58679298972c @news.individual.net> :
> Wrote on Mon, 13 Jun 2022 14:52:56 +0100:

>> I was buying an item in a chain store sale which was offering a 10 %
>> discount on all marked prices. The cashier didn't know how to make
>> the till apply the 10% discount. So I told her how much the discount
>> was, and what the reduced price was.
>>
>> She said, shocked " How on earth did you work that out?".
>
> The anecdotes are great, but the great mindshift is in accepting that
> the prices are going to variable and you really need to be online to
> compute and finish the transaction. tax slabs like gst that vary like
> the price of gas varies day by day
>

That's true of your locality, but not true of Janet's - where the price
on the sticker/shelf etc. is the price you pay (or 10% less, in this case.)

Userme <lezawang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> I read for example
> "Math for everyday life"
> "English for everyday life"
>
> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>
> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English point of view?

Get a life, and you won't have to do excel,

Jan

Thus spake J. J. Lodder:
> Userme <lezawang@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> I read for example
>> "Math for everyday life"
>> "English for everyday life"
>>
>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>
>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English point of
>> view?
>
> Get a life, and you won't have to do excel,
>
> Jan

Useful advice, as usual.

/dps

--
"That's a good sort of hectic, innit?"

" Very much so, and I'd recommend the haggis wontons."
-njm

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:37:44 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Thus spake J. J. Lodder:
>> Userme <lezawang@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>> I read for example
>>> "Math for everyday life"
>>> "English for everyday life"
>>>
>>> What does "for everyday life" mean here?
>>>
>>> Would "Excel for everyday life" sound good for you from English point of
>>> view?
>>
>> Get a life, and you won't have to do excel,
>>
>> Jan
>
>Useful advice, as usual.

Excel-lent advice.