Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
a pseudonym?

The beloved Nancy Drew mystery series was attributed to Carolyn Keene,
but did you know that this was actually a pseudonym? The stories were
produced by Stratemeyer Syndicate, who hired writers like Mildred Wirt
to write the manuscripts for the popular books. Sadly, they were paid
just $125 per book and were forced to give up rights to the works as
well as maintain confidentiality.
https://www.horizontimes.com/worldwide/historical-figures-not-existed-ta/18

On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> a pseudonym?
>
>

See 'Anon'

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 3:10:27 PM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:

> > Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> > a pseudonym?
> >
> See 'Anon'

That won't work. Anon means no nym at all.

But there is a website with nothing but pseudonyms that multiple authors
have used:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Collective_pseudonyms

bill

On 2022-06-01 16:10, occam wrote:
> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>> a pseudonym?
>
> See 'Anon'

Zing! (well played, Sir).

But seriously,
Occam should Google

"pseudonym used by more than one author" (with quotes).

--
I’m a peripheral visionary.
I can see into the future, but just way off to the side.
-Steven Wright

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat
<ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>a pseudonym?
>
>
>The beloved Nancy Drew mystery series was attributed to Carolyn Keene,
> but did you know that this was actually a pseudonym? The stories were
> produced by Stratemeyer Syndicate, who hired writers like Mildred Wirt
> to write the manuscripts for the popular books. Sadly, they were paid
> just $125 per book and were forced to give up rights to the works as
> well as maintain confidentiality.
>https://www.horizontimes.com/worldwide/historical-figures-not-existed-ta/18

Similarly, Franklin W. DIxon, the author the Hardly Boys series, was
several different authors, some of whom were women.

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:37:56 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-06-01 16:10, occam wrote:
>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>> a pseudonym?
>>
>> See 'Anon'
>
>Zing! (well played, Sir).
>
>But seriously,
>Occam should Google
>
>"pseudonym used by more than one author" (with quotes).

I don't think Dingbat understands the difference between an alias and
a pseudonym.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:

> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>> a pseudonym?
>>
>>
>
> See 'Anon'

Or Nicolas Boulbaki.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
>
>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>> a pseudonym?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> See 'Anon'
>
> Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
>
>
Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages are
work in progress.

On 02/06/2022 01:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:37:56 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-06-01 16:10, occam wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>>> a pseudonym?
>>>
>>> See 'Anon'
>>
>> Zing! (well played, Sir).
>>
>> But seriously,
>> Occam should Google
>>
>> "pseudonym used by more than one author" (with quotes).
>
> I don't think Dingbat understands the difference between an alias and
> a pseudonym.
>

Err... is 'occam' my pseudonym or my alias?

On 02/06/2022 00:32, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 3:10:27 PM UTC-7, occam wrote:
>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>
>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>> a pseudonym?
>>>
>> See 'Anon'
>
> That won't work. Anon means no nym at all.
>

'Anon' is short for Ano-nym-ous. 'nym' is right there, in the pseudonym
itself.

The meta-question that occurs to me - can 'Pseudonym' be a pseudonym?

bil...@shaw.ca <billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 3:10:27 PM UTC-7, occam wrote:
> > On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>
> > > Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> > > a pseudonym?
> > >
> > See 'Anon'
>
> That won't work. Anon means no nym at all.
>
> But there is a website with nothing but pseudonyms that multiple authors
> have used:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Collective_pseudonyms

Fiction only. There have also been some scientific ones.
The best known of them is Nicolas Bourbaki.
The group kept up the pretence that he was a real person
for quite some time.

Bourbaki would for example be an anounced speaker at some conference,
and people would flock to see him at last.
Invariably there was a last minute announcement saying
that some unfortunate circumstance had made his appearance impossible,
but that Mr. ##### had been found willing
to read Bourbaki's lecture notes for him,

Jan

occam <nobody@nowhere.nix> wrote:

> On 02/06/2022 01:58, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:37:56 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-06-01 16:10, occam wrote:
> >>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
> >>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> >>>> a pseudonym?
> >>>
> >>> See 'Anon'
> >>
> >> Zing! (well played, Sir).
> >>
> >> But seriously,
> >> Occam should Google
> >>
> >> "pseudonym used by more than one author" (with quotes).
> >
> > I don't think Dingbat understands the difference between an alias and
> > a pseudonym.
> >
>
> Err... is 'occam' my pseudonym or my alias?

Your nym, in usenet terms,

Jan

In article <v1rf9htjgag4ffqo68viklp5ujsic8gfqq@4ax.com>,
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT), Dingbat
> <ranjit mathews@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> >a pseudonym?
> >
> >
> >The beloved Nancy Drew mystery series was attributed to Carolyn Keene,
> > but did you know that this was actually a pseudonym? The stories were
> > produced by Stratemeyer Syndicate, who hired writers like Mildred Wirt
> > to write the manuscripts for the popular books. Sadly, they were paid
> > just $125 per book and were forced to give up rights to the works as
> > well as maintain confidentiality.
> >https://www.horizontimes.com/worldwide/historical-figures-not-existed-ta/18
>
>
> Similarly, Franklin W. DIxon, the author the Hardly Boys series, was
> several different authors, some of whom were women.

The famous movie director Alan Smithee.

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 1:00:19 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
> On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
> >
> >> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
> >>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> >>> a pseudonym?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> See 'Anon'
> >
> > Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
> >
> >
> Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
> web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages are
> work in progress.

You can get to it by clicking the subcategory "Academic shared pseudonyms".

--
Jerry Friedman

On 02-Jun-22 8:38, occam wrote:
>
> On 02/06/2022 00:32, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 3:10:27 PM UTC-7, occam wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>
>>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>>> a pseudonym?
>>>>
>>> See 'Anon'
>>
>> That won't work. Anon means no nym at all.
>>
>
> 'Anon' is short for Ano-nym-ous. 'nym' is right there, in the pseudonym
> itself.
>
> The meta-question that occurs to me - can 'Pseudonym' be a pseudonym?

If Ms Heard had written anonymously, would that have prevented her being
pseud?

--
Sam Plusnet

Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 1:00:19 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
> > On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > > On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
> > >
> > >> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
> > >>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> > >>> a pseudonym?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> See 'Anon'
> > >
> > > Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
> > >
> > >
> > Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
> > web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages are
> > work in progress.
>
> You can get to it by clicking the subcategory "Academic shared pseudonyms".

Thanks, overlooked that. Nice one for AUE:
the mathematicians calling themselves collectively 'Blanche Descartes'.
'Blanche' came from their four initials, BLAC -> BLAnChe.
So why Descartes?

Jan

On 2022-06-03 08:13:45 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 1:00:19 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>>>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>>>>> a pseudonym?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See 'Anon'
>>>>
>>>> Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
>>> web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages are
>>> work in progress.
>>
>> You can get to it by clicking the subcategory "Academic shared pseudonyms".
>
> Thanks, overlooked that. Nice one for AUE:
> the mathematicians calling themselves collectively 'Blanche Descartes'.
> 'Blanche' came from their four initials, BLAC -> BLAnChe.
> So why Descartes?

"The surname Descartes was chosen as a play on the common phrase carte
blanche."

I should have remembered Isadore Nabi. The other examples (apart from
Bourbaki, whom I misspelt as pointed out) are new to me.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On 03/06/2022 10:13, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 1:00:19 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>>>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>>>>> a pseudonym?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See 'Anon'
>>>>
>>>> Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
>>> web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages are
>>> work in progress.
>>
>> You can get to it by clicking the subcategory "Academic shared pseudonyms".
>
> Thanks, overlooked that. Nice one for AUE:
> the mathematicians calling themselves collectively 'Blanche Descartes'.
> 'Blanche' came from their four initials, BLAC -> BLAnChe.
> So why Descartes?
>

'Blanche Descartes' is a pun (or spoonerism) on 'Carte Blanche' - full
discretionary power. I guess they gave themselves a free hand to try
anything?

On 2022-06-03 02:13, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 1:00:19 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
>>> On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>>>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>>>>> a pseudonym?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See 'Anon'
>>>>
>>>> Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
>>> web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages are
>>> work in progress.
>>
>> You can get to it by clicking the subcategory "Academic shared pseudonyms".
>
> Thanks, overlooked that. Nice one for AUE:
> the mathematicians calling themselves collectively 'Blanche Descartes'.
> 'Blanche' came from their four initials, BLAC -> BLAnChe.
> So why Descartes?

Blanche is on the wagon.

Teetotallers?

--
Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before.

On 03/06/22 18:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-06-03 08:13:45 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
>> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 1:00:19 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
>>>> On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
>>>>>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
>>>>>>> a pseudonym?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See 'Anon'
>>>>>
>>>>> Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
>>>> web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages
>>>> are
>>>> work in progress.
>>>
>>> You can get to it by clicking the subcategory "Academic shared
>>> pseudonyms".
>>
>> Thanks, overlooked that. Nice one for AUE:
>> the mathematicians calling themselves collectively 'Blanche Descartes'.
>> 'Blanche' came from their four initials, BLAC -> BLAnChe.
>> So why Descartes?
>
> "The surname Descartes was chosen as a play on the common phrase carte
> blanche."
>
> I should have remembered Isadore Nabi. The other examples (apart from
> Bourbaki, whom I misspelt as pointed out) are new to me.

I am personally acquainted with the co-authors who published with
Marie-Antoinette Poubelle.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 9:51:04 AM UTC-7, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-06-03 02:13, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 1:00:19 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
> >>> On 02/06/2022 08:44, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-06-01 22:10:24 +0000, occam said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 02/06/2022 00:04, Dingbat wrote:
> >>>>>> Does the meaning of PSEUDONYM allow multiple authors to share
> >>>>>> a pseudonym?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> See 'Anon'
> >>>>
> >>>> Or Nicolas Boulbaki.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Typo for 'Bourbaki'. I agree, and it is an entry sadly missing from the
> >>> web site pointed to by billvan. Just goes to show that all web pages are
> >>> work in progress.
> >>
> >> You can get to it by clicking the subcategory "Academic shared pseudonyms".
> >
> > Thanks, overlooked that. Nice one for AUE:
> > the mathematicians calling themselves collectively 'Blanche Descartes'.
> > 'Blanche' came from their four initials, BLAC -> BLAnChe.
> > So why Descartes?
> Blanche is on the wagon.
>
> Teetotallers?
>
Not if you put Descartes before the horse. That will drive you to drink every time.

bill