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Butty

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 by: Mack A. Damia - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 15:32 UTC

The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.

https://ew.com/celebrity/queen-elizabeth-ii-paddington-bear-marmalade-platinum-jubilee-skit/

I commented on her Facebook page that she would have owned me had she
said "marmalade butty".

An English friend, the granddaughter of a beloved teacher I had in the
early 1950s, read it and pointed out to me that the term would only be
known in northern England, and the Paddington crowd wouldn't know the
term, but I think that is terribly naive.

I think the term is widely known and used throughout England. Even
Prince Edward nicknamed bacon sandwiches, "Balmoral butties".

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From: wibbleyp...@gmail.com (Paul Carmichael)
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 by: Paul Carmichael - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:01 UTC

El Mon, 06 Jun 2022 08:32:54 -0700, Mack A. Damia escribió:

> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
> that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
>
> https://ew.com/celebrity/queen-elizabeth-ii-paddington-bear-marmalade-
platinum-jubilee-skit/
>
> I commented on her Facebook page that she would have owned me had she
> said "marmalade butty".
>
> An English friend, the granddaughter of a beloved teacher I had in the
> early 1950s, read it and pointed out to me that the term would only be
> known in northern England, and the Paddington crowd wouldn't know the
> term, but I think that is terribly naive.
>
> I think the term is widely known and used throughout England.

Not much. "Jam/marmelade/bacon sarny" where I'm from (pretty central).

But "chip butty" every time.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: HVS - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:18 UTC

On 06 Jun 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote

> El Mon, 06 Jun 2022 08:32:54 -0700, Mack A. Damia escribió:
>
>> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she
>> said that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
>>
>> https://ew.com/celebrity/queen-elizabeth-ii-paddington-bear-marmal
>> ade-
> platinum-jubilee-skit/
>>
>> I commented on her Facebook page that she would have owned me had
>> she said "marmalade butty".
>>
>> An English friend, the granddaughter of a beloved teacher I had
>> in the early 1950s, read it and pointed out to me that the term
>> would only be known in northern England, and the Paddington crowd
>> wouldn't know the term, but I think that is terribly naive.
>>
>> I think the term is widely known and used throughout England.
>
> Not much. "Jam/marmelade/bacon sarny" where I'm from (pretty
> central).
>
> But "chip butty" every time.

I think it varies a fair amount, but at least in these parts (north
Hampshire), I suspect it's the case that the less-healthy the
filling, the higher the chance that "butty" can be used.

As you say, "chip butty" is everywhere, and I don't think that "bacon
butty" would raise eyebrows.

But "crayfish and rocket butty", "prawn butty", "anything and avocado
butty" don't work at all.

--
Cheers, Harvey

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 by: charles - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:54 UTC

In article <XnsAEAEB022243DAwhhvans@144.76.35.252>,
HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
> On 06 Jun 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote

> > El Mon, 06 Jun 2022 08:32:54 -0700, Mack A. Damia escribió:
> >
> >> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she
> >> said that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
> >>
> >> https://ew.com/celebrity/queen-elizabeth-ii-paddington-bear-marmal
> >> ade-
> > platinum-jubilee-skit/
> >>
> >> I commented on her Facebook page that she would have owned me had
> >> she said "marmalade butty".
> >>
> >> An English friend, the granddaughter of a beloved teacher I had
> >> in the early 1950s, read it and pointed out to me that the term
> >> would only be known in northern England, and the Paddington crowd
> >> wouldn't know the term, but I think that is terribly naive.
> >>
> >> I think the term is widely known and used throughout England.
> >
> > Not much. "Jam/marmelade/bacon sarny" where I'm from (pretty
> > central).
> >
> > But "chip butty" every time.

> I think it varies a fair amount, but at least in these parts (north
> Hampshire), I suspect it's the case that the less-healthy the
> filling, the higher the chance that "butty" can be used.

> As you say, "chip butty" is everywhere, and I don't think that "bacon
> butty" would raise eyebrows.

> But "crayfish and rocket butty", "prawn butty", "anything and avocado
> butty" don't work at all.

I read that a KitKat butty is the latest thing ;-)

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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 by: HVS - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 17:08 UTC

On 06 Jun 2022, charles wrote

> In article <XnsAEAEB022243DAwhhvans@144.76.35.252>,
> HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 06 Jun 2022, Paul Carmichael wrote
>
>>> El Mon, 06 Jun 2022 08:32:54 -0700, Mack A. Damia escribió:
>>>
>>>> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she
>>>> said that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
>>>>
>>>> https://ew.com/celebrity/queen-elizabeth-ii-paddington-bear-marm
>>>> al ade-
>>> platinum-jubilee-skit/
>>>>
>>>> I commented on her Facebook page that she would have owned me
>>>> had she said "marmalade butty".
>>>>
>>>> An English friend, the granddaughter of a beloved teacher I had
>>>> in the early 1950s, read it and pointed out to me that the term
>>>> would only be known in northern England, and the Paddington
>>>> crowd wouldn't know the term, but I think that is terribly
>>>> naive.
>>>>
>>>> I think the term is widely known and used throughout England.
>>>
>>> Not much. "Jam/marmelade/bacon sarny" where I'm from (pretty
>>> central).
>>>
>>> But "chip butty" every time.
>
>> I think it varies a fair amount, but at least in these parts
>> (north Hampshire), I suspect it's the case that the less-healthy
>> the filling, the higher the chance that "butty" can be used.
>
>> As you say, "chip butty" is everywhere, and I don't think that
>> "bacon butty" would raise eyebrows.
>
>> But "crayfish and rocket butty", "prawn butty", "anything and
>> avocado butty" don't work at all.
>
> I read that a KitKat butty is the latest thing ;-)

Might be even better deep-fried.....

--
Cheers, Harvey

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:58 UTC

In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d79d3@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Mon, 06 Jun 2022 08:32:54 -0700, Mack A. Damia escribió:

>> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
>> that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
>>
>> https://ew.com/celebrity/queen-elizabeth-ii-paddington-bear-marmalade-
> platinum-jubilee-skit/
>>
>> I commented on her Facebook page that she would have owned me had she
>> said "marmalade butty".
>>
>> An English friend, the granddaughter of a beloved teacher I had in the
>> early 1950s, read it and pointed out to me that the term would only be
>> known in northern England, and the Paddington crowd wouldn't know the
>> term, but I think that is terribly naive.
>>
>> I think the term is widely known and used throughout England.

I don't think so. My friends in London do not use it, though they are
aware of the word. My friends in Nottingham, OTOH, use it as the default
word for something involving bread around anything else.

> Not much. "Jam/marmelade/bacon sarny" where I'm from (pretty central).

> But "chip butty" every time.

Chip butty might be universal in the UK, yes. Chips, brown sauce, a bit
of malt vinegar, and buttered bread. I've seen people put ketchup on
them, but that seems like a crime to me.

Munchy Box is Northern too, I believe. Or possibly Scottish? The term
does seem to be migrating, however, and I definitely saw at least one
place in London that said it had "Munchy Box" when I was there in 2017.
It was near the Forbidden Planet, which I passed by on one of those
buses the tourists use. I forget where I was going, but I got on right
between King's Cross and St. Pancras, and Forbidden Planet is quote
close to there.

--
'They say that whoever pays the piper calls the tune.' 'But,
gentlemen,' said Mr Saveloy, 'whoever holds a knife to the
piper's throat writes the symphony.' --Interesting Times

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Tue, 7 Jun 2022 15:29 UTC

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:03 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d...@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Is it or isn't it a butty?]

> > But "chip butty" every time.

> Chip butty might be universal in the UK, yes. Chips, brown sauce, a bit
> of malt vinegar, and buttered bread. I've seen people put ketchup on
> them, but that seems like a crime to me.

Wait, whether French fries on buttered bread seem like a crime to you
depends on whether it has ketchup?

> Munchy Box is Northern too, I believe. Or possibly Scottish? The term
> does seem to be migrating, however, and I definitely saw at least one
> place in London that said it had "Munchy Box" when I was there in 2017.
....

Wikip says Scottish, now widespread in the UK.

I like the comment "There have been reports of healthier options of
munchy boxes." Sort of like "There have been reports of monsters in
Scottish lochs."

In case anyone else is wondering,

"The contents of a munchy box vary but may typically include kebab
meat, fried chicken, pizza, chicken tikka, samosas, onion rings, chow
mein noodles, pakora, naan bread, garlic bread, coleslaw, other fast
foods and sauces such as curry sauce. There is sometimes a salad
item and, invariably, chips or fried rice." It's supposed to be too big
for one person (who is not a teenager after fitba practice).

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Lewis - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 01:27 UTC

In message <402c1067-963c-45ff-bb57-67df6a58eff7n@googlegroups.com> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:03 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d...@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [Is it or isn't it a butty?]

>> > But "chip butty" every time.

>> Chip butty might be universal in the UK, yes. Chips, brown sauce, a bit
>> of malt vinegar, and buttered bread. I've seen people put ketchup on
>> them, but that seems like a crime to me.

> Wait, whether French fries on buttered bread seem like a crime to you
> depends on whether it has ketchup?

Yes, that's right.

> "The contents of a munchy box vary but may typically include kebab
> meat, fried chicken, pizza, chicken tikka, samosas, onion rings, chow
> mein noodles, pakora, naan bread, garlic bread, coleslaw, other fast
> foods and sauces such as curry sauce. There is sometimes a salad
> item and, invariably, chips or fried rice." It's supposed to be too big
> for one person (who is not a teenager after fitba practice).

Anything that is not meat is "salad" or "Glasgow salad" and that is
usually chips. It the salad is actually a salad, then you've left the
realm of Munchy Box and entered into some sort of healthy food black
hole.

--
"Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time."

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 by: Mack A. Damia - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 01:41 UTC

On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:58:59 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d79d3@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Mon, 06 Jun 2022 08:32:54 -0700, Mack A. Damia escribió:
>
>>> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
>>> that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
>>>
>>> https://ew.com/celebrity/queen-elizabeth-ii-paddington-bear-marmalade-
>> platinum-jubilee-skit/
>>>
>>> I commented on her Facebook page that she would have owned me had she
>>> said "marmalade butty".
>>>
>>> An English friend, the granddaughter of a beloved teacher I had in the
>>> early 1950s, read it and pointed out to me that the term would only be
>>> known in northern England, and the Paddington crowd wouldn't know the
>>> term, but I think that is terribly naive.
>>>
>>> I think the term is widely known and used throughout England.
>
>I don't think so. My friends in London do not use it, though they are
>aware of the word. My friends in Nottingham, OTOH, use it as the default
>word for something involving bread around anything else.

As I said, "widely known", but it could be "widely used", too. Who is
to know? Chip butty for certain, and I think the same with bacon
butty.

No, most would never say,"marmalade butty", but a "jam butty" is
well-known, especially in the north of England, but I would wager all
over England, too.

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 by: GordonD - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 09:44 UTC

On 06/06/2022 16:32, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>
> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
> that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.

ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'? In BrE a purse is where a
woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her handbag. As the
Queen famously doesn't carry cash it would seem to me that she wouldn't
need a purse. She does, however, carry a handbag and every so often
there are newspaper articles on what it contains.

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:01 UTC

On 2022-06-08 09:44:10 +0000, GordonD said:

> On 06/06/2022 16:32, Mack A. Damia wrote:
>>
>> The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
>> that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
>
> ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'? In BrE a purse is where a
> woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her handbag. As the
> Queen famously doesn't carry cash it would seem to me that she wouldn't
> need a purse. She does, however, carry a handbag and every so often
> there are newspaper articles on what it contains.

Neither. The Queen said "here": "I keep mine in here".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UfiCa244XE

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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 by: Janet - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:31 UTC

In article <402c1067-963c-45ff-bb57-67df6a58eff7n@googlegroups.com>,
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com says...
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:03 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> > In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d...@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [Is it or isn't it a butty?]
>
> > > But "chip butty" every time.
>
> > Chip butty might be universal in the UK, yes. Chips, brown sauce, a bit
> > of malt vinegar, and buttered bread. I've seen people put ketchup on
> > them, but that seems like a crime to me.
>
> Wait, whether French fries on buttered bread seem like a crime to you
> depends on whether it has ketchup?
>
> > Munchy Box is Northern too, I believe. Or possibly Scottish? The term
> > does seem to be migrating, however, and I definitely saw at least one
> > place in London that said it had "Munchy Box" when I was there in 2017.
> ...
>
> Wikip says Scottish, now widespread in the UK.

I've lived in Scotland for 50 years and until this thread had never
heard of "munchy box", much less seen one. (Or anywhere else in UK).

Janet

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:46 UTC

On 08/06/2022 11:31 am, Janet wrote:
> In article <402c1067-963c-45ff-bb57-67df6a58eff7n@googlegroups.com>,
> jerry_friedman@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:03 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d...@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [Is it or isn't it a butty?]
>>
>>>> But "chip butty" every time.
>>
>>> Chip butty might be universal in the UK, yes. Chips, brown sauce, a bit
>>> of malt vinegar, and buttered bread. I've seen people put ketchup on
>>> them, but that seems like a crime to me.
>>
>> Wait, whether French fries on buttered bread seem like a crime to you
>> depends on whether it has ketchup?
>>
>>> Munchy Box is Northern too, I believe. Or possibly Scottish? The term
>>> does seem to be migrating, however, and I definitely saw at least one
>>> place in London that said it had "Munchy Box" when I was there in 2017.
>> ...
>>
>> Wikip says Scottish, now widespread in the UK.
>
> I've lived in Scotland for 50 years and until this thread had never
> heard of "munchy box", much less seen one. (Or anywhere else in UK).

When Wikipedia says "widespread", it may mean nothing more than
"that's what most of the kids at my school call it".

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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 by: Janet - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:46 UTC

In article <jgb9bbF3qhoU1@mid.individual.net>, g.davie@btinternet.com
says...
>
> On 06/06/2022 16:32, Mack A. Damia wrote:
> >
> > The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
> > that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
>
> ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'?

She didn't; she said " I keep mine in here" and withdrew her
marmalade sandwich from a classic handbag. But you're right, she would
not call it a purse.

In BrE a purse is where a
> woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her handbag. As the
> Queen famously doesn't carry cash it would seem to me that she wouldn't
> need a purse. She does, however, carry a handbag and every so often
> there are newspaper articles on what it contains.


Janet

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:04 UTC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 4:31:40 AM UTC-6, Janet wrote:
> In article <402c1067-963c-45ff...@googlegroups.com>,
> jerry_f...@yahoo.com says...
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:03 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
> > > In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d...@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > [Is it or isn't it a butty?]
> >
> > > > But "chip butty" every time.
> >
> > > Chip butty might be universal in the UK, yes. Chips, brown sauce, a bit
> > > of malt vinegar, and buttered bread. I've seen people put ketchup on
> > > them, but that seems like a crime to me.
> >
> > Wait, whether French fries on buttered bread seem like a crime to you
> > depends on whether it has ketchup?
> >
> > > Munchy Box is Northern too, I believe. Or possibly Scottish? The term
> > > does seem to be migrating, however, and I definitely saw at least one
> > > place in London that said it had "Munchy Box" when I was there in 2017.
> > ...
> >
> > Wikip says Scottish, now widespread in the UK.

> I've lived in Scotland for 50 years and until this thread had never
> heard of "munchy box", much less seen one. (Or anywhere else in UK).

The search engine of your choice will have no trouble finding evidence
of its existence, including eateries that offer it.

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Silvano - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:15 UTC

Jerry Friedman hat am 07.06.2022 um 17:29 geschrieben:
> "The contents of a munchy box vary but may typically include kebab
> meat, fried chicken, pizza, chicken tikka, samosas, onion rings, chow
> mein noodles, pakora, naan bread, garlic bread, coleslaw, other fast
> foods and sauces such as curry sauce. There is sometimes a salad
> item and, invariably, chips or fried rice." It's supposed to be too big
> for one person (who is not a teenager after fitba practice).

All that stuff in ONE box? How many square meters?

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:35 UTC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:15:06 AM UTC-6, Silvano wrote:
> Jerry Friedman hat am 07.06.2022 um 17:29 geschrieben:
> > "The contents of a munchy box vary but may typically include kebab
> > meat, fried chicken, pizza, chicken tikka, samosas, onion rings, chow
> > mein noodles, pakora, naan bread, garlic bread, coleslaw, other fast
> > foods and sauces such as curry sauce. There is sometimes a salad
> > item and, invariably, chips or fried rice." It's supposed to be too big
> > for one person (who is not a teenager after fitba practice).

> All that stuff in ONE box? How many square meters?

I think that means that ingredients are typically chosen from among those.
For instance, Ali Baba Kebab in Penzance [*] offers a Munchy Box in a
10-inch pizza box, or a Mega Munchy Box in a 12-inch pizza box, with lamb
doner, chicken doner, chips and cheese, salad, and sauce, plus a can of
drink (only 16.90 pounds for the regular size). Maybe typical ones have
more variety than that, but not 12+ ingredients?

[*] Chosen as evidence for the claim that Munchy Boxes are widespread
in the UK.

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: GordonD - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:57 UTC

On 08/06/2022 11:31, Janet wrote:
> In article <402c1067-963c-45ff-bb57-67df6a58eff7n@googlegroups.com>,
> jerry_friedman@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 8:59:03 AM UTC-6, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <pan$153b7$ddb8e8e1$5cada619$998d...@gmail.com> Paul
>>> Carmichael <wibble...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [Is it or isn't it a butty?]
>>
>>>> But "chip butty" every time.
>>
>>> Chip butty might be universal in the UK, yes. Chips, brown sauce,
>>> a bit of malt vinegar, and buttered bread. I've seen people put
>>> ketchup on them, but that seems like a crime to me.
>>
>> Wait, whether French fries on buttered bread seem like a crime to
>> you depends on whether it has ketchup?
>>
>>> Munchy Box is Northern too, I believe. Or possibly Scottish? The
>>> term does seem to be migrating, however, and I definitely saw at
>>> least one place in London that said it had "Munchy Box" when I
>>> was there in 2017.
>> ...
>>
>> Wikip says Scottish, now widespread in the UK.
>
> I've lived in Scotland for 50 years and until this thread had never
> heard of "munchy box", much less seen one. (Or anywhere else in UK).
>

I keep getting leaflets through my door from local chip shops, several
of which include munchy boxes on the menu.

--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 13:45 UTC

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:46:22 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article <jgb9bb...@mid.individual.net>, g.d...@btinternet.com
> says...
> > On 06/06/2022 16:32, Mack A. Damia wrote:

> > > The Queen had an amusing skit with the Paddington bear, and she said
> > > that she always keeps a marmalade sandwich in her purse.
> > ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'?
>
> She didn't; she said " I keep mine in here" and withdrew her
> marmalade sandwich from a classic handbag. But you're right, she would
> not call it a purse.

Though it appeared to be rather larger than the one she usually
carries, and didn't match the frock and the hat.

> In BrE a purse is where a
> > woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her handbag. As the
> > Queen famously doesn't carry cash it would seem to me that she wouldn't
> > need a purse. She does, however, carry a handbag and every so often
> > there are newspaper articles on what it contains.

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 by: Stefan Ram - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:04 UTC

GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> writes:
>ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'? In BrE a purse is where a
>woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her handbag.

"Purse" was mention in episode 11±1 of "Fiat Lex" when they
talked about "offensive passes" / "man-woman passes". Steve
said: "A purse is a purse, regardless of who carries it".

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On 08 Jun 2022, Stefan Ram wrote

> GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> writes:
>> ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'? In BrE a purse is where a
>> woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her handbag.
>
> "Purse" was mention in episode 11±1 of "Fiat Lex" when they
> talked about "offensive passes" / "man-woman passes". Steve
> said: "A purse is a purse, regardless of who carries it".

But as Gordon says, a "purse" is definitely *not* a "purse" regardless
of where you're carrying it.

NAm purse = UK handbag

UK purse = NAm (not sure: coin-purse"?)

--
Cheers, Harvey

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On 08 Jun 2022, HVS wrote

> On 08 Jun 2022, Stefan Ram wrote
>
>> GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> writes:
>>> ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'? In BrE a purse is
>>> where a woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her
>>> handbag.
>>
>> "Purse" was mention in episode 11±1 of "Fiat Lex" when they
>> talked about "offensive passes" / "man-woman passes". Steve
>> said: "A purse is a purse, regardless of who carries it".
>
> But as Gordon says, a "purse" is definitely *not* a "purse"
> regardless of where you're carrying it.
>
> NAm purse = UK handbag
>
> UK purse = NAm (not sure: coin-purse"?)

Hmmm. I have no idea why that posted twice.

Apologies.

--
Cheers, Harvey

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 by: Garrett Wollman - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:46 UTC

In article <XnsAEB0A5DF9B233whhvans@144.76.35.252>,
HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> wrote:

>But as Gordon says, a "purse" is definitely *not* a "purse" regardless
>of where you're carrying it.
>
>NAm purse = UK handbag
>
>UK purse = NAm (not sure: coin-purse"?)

"lady's wallet"? At least my mother always kept (so far as I know
still keeps) a huge leather contraption with a dozen payment cards,
driver's license, insurance cards, and a couple twenties in cash;
there's a snap-closure pouch on the inside where she would put change
in the unusual case of actually receiving any. This kept all the
important things in one place, so she could easily move them from
purse to purse (or handbag to handbag, as the case may be), or carry
separately if she didn't feel the need for the other things.

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 by: lar3ryca - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 15:51 UTC

On 2022-06-08 09:04, Stefan Ram wrote:
> GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> writes:
>> ObAue - Did she say 'purse' or 'handbag'? In BrE a purse is where a
>> woman keeps her money; this is carried in turn in her handbag.
>
> "Purse" was mention in episode 11±1 of "Fiat Lex" when they
> talked about "offensive passes" / "man-woman passes". Steve
> said: "A purse is a purse, regardless of who carries it".

My late father-in-law used the word 'purse' in the same sense as in BrE;
something to keep money in. He was Ukrainian.

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 by: Stefan Ram - Wed, 8 Jun 2022 16:07 UTC

lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> writes:
>My late father-in-law used the word 'purse' in the same sense as in BrE;
>something to keep money in. He was Ukrainian.

Recently, I read that in Ukraine employees in the IT sector
often speak English at their workplace. While I can't find
that source now, I can find this in the Web:

|Although Ukraine is the third last European country in the EF
|Language Proficiency Index, most of the people with higher
|education can speak English pretty well. About 80% of IT
|specialists based in Ukraine speak English on at least
|intermediate level; 45% are either fluent or can sustain a
|conversation on an advanced/upper intermediate level of English.

Ukraine's IT sector maybe makes up 4 % of the GNP.


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