Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...

What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?

Some that come to my mind are:

----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath

____________

How about in French, German, Spanish ......... ???

Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
>
> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?
>
> Some that come to my mind are:
>
> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath

All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
etc. (not "etc." itself, though).

>
>
> ____________
>
> How about in French, German, Spanish ......... ???

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 7:50:38 AM UTC-7, Bebercito wrote:
> Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> > Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
> >
> > What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche .... ?
> >
> > Some that come to my mind are:
> >
> > ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath

> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
> in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
> etc. (not "etc." itself, though).

true! qua, cum, ... (what else is common ?)

—for example, “Jimmy is a hunter-cum-animal-activist.”

Juliette Binoche is Vianne, a beautiful and mysterious woman who opens a store that sells magical chocolate candies—Viagra-cum-saturated fat. [Wall Street Journal]

Joe Glenton, a soldier-cum-activist, was jailed today for nine months in Britain for going AWOL. [Huffington Post]

Rufus and Martha Wainwright … have taken up their mother’s annual Christmas-concert-cum-family-reunion project. [New York Times]

On Fri, 27 May 2022 07:34:32 -0700 (PDT), "henh...@gmail.com"
<henhanna@gmail.com> wrote:

>Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ....

Synonymous? Here's an example from the Merriam-Webster web site in
which I substituted "poly-syllabic" for "esoteric":

"...must have had some poly-syllabic motive for leaving his art
collection to a museum halfway around the globe."

Fri, 27 May 2022 08:03:42 -0700 (PDT): "henh...@gmail.com"
<henhanna@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 7:50:38 AM UTC-7, Bebercito wrote:
>> Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>> > Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
>> >
>> > What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?
>> >
>> > Some that come to my mind are:
>> >
>> > ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>
>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
>> in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
>> etc. (not "etc." itself, though).
>
>
>true! qua, cum, ... (what else is common ?)

This
https://rudhar.com/iadc?cerca=%5E%5C%5B%5Ba-z%5D%2B%5C%5D&iaen=1&cldc=1
gives you a list.

Le 27/05/2022 à 15:34, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
>
> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?
>
> Some that come to my mind are:
>
> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath

'Kith and kin' doesn't seem all that esoteric to me; in that vein, nor
does 'ilk'.

There's 'nous', I suppose, and 'to brook'. 'To gull'? Some are
specialist - 'yawl' - or regional - 'to keek'. No others come to mind at
the moment.

If one knows them, they aren't esoteric; if one doesn't, they are. Well,
sort of.

> How about in French, German, Spanish ......... ???

One man's esoteric is another man's commonplace - and in French 'le
littoral' is common enough in news and weather reports. The French have
some terms like this that (falsely) make them seem more intellectual
than us - 'septentrional' for 'northern', for instance, or 'limitrophe'
for bordering (pays limitrophes...).

On 2022-05-28 07:24:12 +0000, Hibou said:

> Le 27/05/2022 à 15:34, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>
>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
>>
>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?
>>
>> Some that come to my mind are:
>>
>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>
> 'Kith and kin' doesn't seem all that esoteric to me; in that vein, nor
> does 'ilk'.
>
> There's 'nous', I suppose, and 'to brook'. 'To gull'? Some are
> specialist - 'yawl' - or regional - 'to keek'. No others come to mind
> at the moment.
>
> If one knows them, they aren't esoteric; if one doesn't, they are.
> Well, sort of.
>
>> How about in French, German, Spanish ......... ???
>
> One man's esoteric is another man's commonplace - and in French 'le
> littoral' is common enough in news and weather reports. The French have
> some terms like this that (falsely) make them seem more intellectual
> than us - 'septentrional' for 'northern', for instance, or 'limitrophe'
> for bordering (pays limitrophes...).

"hebdomadaire" is a very common example.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

Le 28/05/2022 à 09:04, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2022-05-28 07:24:12 +0000, Hibou said:
>>
>> One man's esoteric is another man's commonplace - and in French 'le
>> littoral' is common enough in news and weather reports. The French
>> have some terms like this that (falsely) make them seem more
>> intellectual than us - 'septentrional' for 'northern', for instance,
>> or 'limitrophe' for bordering (pays limitrophes...).
>
> "hebdomadaire" is a very common example.

Yes, it's a word I see every week.

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 1:24:18 AM UTC-6, Hibou wrote:
> Le 27/05/2022 à 15:34, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >
> > Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
> >
> > What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche .... ?
> >
> > Some that come to my mind are:
> >
> > ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
> 'Kith and kin' doesn't seem all that esoteric to me; in that vein, nor
> does 'ilk'.
>
> There's 'nous', I suppose, and 'to brook'. 'To gull'? Some are
> specialist - 'yawl' - or regional - 'to keek'.

We could talk about what "regional" means. "Nous" is almost unknown
in the U.S. and Canada, I believe. (Please note that I didn't say nous is
almost unknown here. Thank you.) Does that make it regional? If it's
used almost exclusively in the UK and Ireland, does that make it regional?

> No others come to mind at the moment.

"Yawl" brought "yaw" and "yaws" (a disease) to mind for me.

Thrips (singular and plural), the American crossword-puzzle favorites
olio and oleo, not to mention ani and ern(e), and while we're on birds,
tern, skua, iora, jery, and tody.

A definition of "short word" would help. I don't think of "littoral" as
short.

> If one knows them, they aren't esoteric; if one doesn't, they are. Well,
> sort of.

> > How about in French, German, Spanish ......... ???

> One man's esoteric is another man's commonplace - and in French 'le
> littoral' is common enough in news and weather reports. The French have
> some terms like this that (falsely) make them seem more intellectual
> than us - 'septentrional' for 'northern', for instance, or 'limitrophe'
> for bordering (pays limitrophes...).

LIkewise Spanish países limítrofes.

--
Jerry Friedman

Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 10:04:38 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2022-05-28 07:24:12 +0000, Hibou said:
>
> > Le 27/05/2022 à 15:34, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >>
> >> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ....
> >>
> >> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche .... ?
> >>
> >> Some that come to my mind are:
> >>
> >> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
> >
> > 'Kith and kin' doesn't seem all that esoteric to me; in that vein, nor
> > does 'ilk'.
> >
> > There's 'nous', I suppose, and 'to brook'. 'To gull'? Some are
> > specialist - 'yawl' - or regional - 'to keek'. No others come to mind
> > at the moment.
> >
> > If one knows them, they aren't esoteric; if one doesn't, they are.
> > Well, sort of.
> >
> >> How about in French, German, Spanish ......... ???
> >
> > One man's esoteric is another man's commonplace - and in French 'le
> > littoral' is common enough in news and weather reports. The French have
> > some terms like this that (falsely) make them seem more intellectual
> > than us

Who is "us", and what terms do you use instead?

> > - 'septentrional' for 'northern', for instance, or 'limitrophe'

There's "limit(e)" in it, which shouldn't make it too hard too
understand.

> > for bordering (pays limitrophes...).
> "hebdomadaire" is a very common example.

Except that it has no "simple" one-word equivalents, leaving no
choice but to use it.

>
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On Fri, 27 May 2022 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
<bebercito@aol.com> wrote:

>Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ....
>>
>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche .... ?
>>
>> Some that come to my mind are:
>>
>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>
>All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
>in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
>etc. (not "etc." itself, though).

In my experience "chic," " nun," and "qui" are never used in English.
Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
people.

Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 16:44:49 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
> On Fri, 27 May 2022 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ....
> >>
> >> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche .... ?
> >>
> >> Some that come to my mind are:
> >>
> >> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
> >
> >All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
> >in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
> >etc. (not "etc." itself, though).
> In my experience "chic," " nun,"

Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic", which
makes your statement inaccurate.

> and "qui" are never used in English.

It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
(while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
esoteric words?
..
> Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
> people.

On Sat, 28 May 2022 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
<bebercito@aol.com> wrote:

>Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 16:44:49 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
>> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>> >> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
>> >>
>> >> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?
>> >>
>> >> Some that come to my mind are:
>> >>
>> >> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>> >
>> >All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
>> >in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
>> >etc. (not "etc." itself, though).
>> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
>
>Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic", which
>makes your statement inaccurate.

Yes, a strange typo. I didn't notice it when I proofread before
sending.

>
>> and "qui" are never used in English.
>
>It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
>(while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
>esoteric words?

The topic, yes. But not what you said: "All short Latin words used in
English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and
now), "quia", "ergo", etc. (not "etc." itself, though)."

Hibou in Jp means a [Hopeless-Dream]

On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 12:24:18 AM UTC-7, Hibou wrote:
> Le 27/05/2022 à 15:34, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >
> > Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
> >
> > What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche .... ?
> >
> > Some that come to my mind are:
> >
> > ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath

> 'Kith and kin' doesn't seem all that esoteric to me

i like Kith partly because i can never remember its etymology...
this time, maybe i'll remember... it's cognate with German kennen.

> There's 'nous', I suppose

NOUS is interesting... i see that it's common in UK newspapers articles on Football teams and their ethos'es.

a few more words in English: aught, jejune, kine, numen, offal, otiose, rathe, walla

------------- they're just outside the range of SAT-prep word lists.

Le 28/05/2022 à 15:42, Bebercito a écrit :
> Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 10:04:38 UTC+2, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>> On 2022-05-28 07:24:12 +0000, Hibou said:
>>>
>>> There's 'nous', I suppose, and 'to brook'. 'To gull'? Some are
>>> specialist - 'yawl' - or regional - 'to keek'. No others come to mind
>>> at the moment.

'Regional' here means in use in one or more parts of the
English-speaking world, but not others.

>>> One man's esoteric is another man's commonplace - and in French 'le
>>> littoral' is common enough in news and weather reports. The French have
>>> some terms like this that (falsely) make them seem more intellectual
>>> than us
>
> Who is "us", and what terms do you use instead?

'Us' is English speakers. I've given English equivalents for my
examples. In French, I'd do as the French do, I suppose, or say « dans
le Nord » etc. as appropriate.

>>> - 'septentrional' for 'northern', for instance, or 'limitrophe'
>
> There's "limit(e)" in it, which shouldn't make it too hard too
> understand.

Well, I didn't say it was hard to understand. I don't think I've ever
looked it up in a dictionary.

>>> for bordering (pays limitrophes...).
>> "hebdomadaire" is a very common example.
>
> Except that it has no "simple" one-word equivalents, leaving no
> choice but to use it.

In French, no, unless you count 'hebdo' as in 'Charlie'. Necessity is
the maman of invention, but many French speakers are allergic to
neologism, and the need has to be great.

Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 17:37:47 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
> On Sat, 28 May 2022 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 16:44:49 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
> >> On Fri, 27 May 2022 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
> >> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >> >> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
> >> >>
> >> >> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Some that come to my mind are:
> >> >>
> >> >> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
> >> >
> >> >All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
> >> >in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
> >> >etc. (not "etc." itself, though).
> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
> >
> >Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic", which
> >makes your statement inaccurate.
> Yes, a strange typo. I didn't notice it when I proofread before
> sending.
> >
> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
> >
> >It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
> >(while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
> >esoteric words?
> The topic, yes. But not what you said: "All short Latin words used in
> English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and
> now), "quia", "ergo", etc. (not "etc." itself, though)."

? These words are indeed esoteric in that they wouldn't be
understood by most English-speakers (though they have
made it into English).

On 5/28/2022 11:08 AM, Bebercito wrote:
> Ken Blake a écrit :
>> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :

>>>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with
>>>> Esoteric, ...

>>>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric,
>>>> Recherche ... ?

>>>> Some that come to my mind are:

>>>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath

>>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in
>>> the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo", etc.
>>> (not "etc." itself, though).
>> In my experience "chic," " nun,"

> Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic",
> which makes your statement inaccurate.

>> and "qui" are never used in English.

> It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
> (while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
> esoteric words?

I think Ken must have meant "quia", which was on your list of examples.
.
>> Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
>> people.

Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 12:30:07 UTC+2, CDB a écrit :
> On 5/28/2022 11:08 AM, Bebercito wrote:
> > Ken Blake a écrit :
> >> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>
> >>>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with
> >>>> Esoteric, ...
>
> >>>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric,
> >>>> Recherche ... ?
>
> >>>> Some that come to my mind are:
>
> >>>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>
> >>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in
> >>> the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo", etc.
> >>> (not "etc." itself, though).
> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
>
> > Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic",
> > which makes your statement inaccurate.
>
> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
>
> > It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
> > (while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
> > esoteric words?
> I think Ken must have meant "quia", which was on your list of examples.

Yes, that's what I thought too. I responded on "qui" as he'd mentioned
it, but "quia" itself is also used in English in e.g. the legal phrase "(bill)
quia timet".

> .
> >> Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
> >> people.

On Sat, 28 May 2022 23:43:47 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
<bebercito@aol.com> wrote:

>Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 17:37:47 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
>> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Le samedi 28 mai 2022 à 16:44:49 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
>> >> On Fri, 27 May 2022 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
>> >> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Le vendredi 27 mai 2022 à 16:34:34 UTC+2, henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>> >> >> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with Esoteric, ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric, Recherche ... ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Some that come to my mind are:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>> >> >
>> >> >All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc"
>> >> >in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo",
>> >> >etc. (not "etc." itself, though).
>> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
>> >
>> >Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic", which
>> >makes your statement inaccurate.
>> Yes, a strange typo. I didn't notice it when I proofread before
>> sending.
>> >
>> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
>> >
>> >It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
>> >(while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
>> >esoteric words?
>> The topic, yes. But not what you said: "All short Latin words used in
>> English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and
>> now), "quia", "ergo", etc. (not "etc." itself, though)."
>
>? These words are indeed esoteric in that they wouldn't be
>understood by most English-speakers

True.

>(though they have
>made it into English).

False. At least not in my experience.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
<bebercito@aol.com> wrote:

>Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 12:30:07 UTC+2, CDB a écrit :
>> On 5/28/2022 11:08 AM, Bebercito wrote:
>> > Ken Blake a écrit :
>> >> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>
>> >>>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with
>> >>>> Esoteric, ...
>>
>> >>>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric,
>> >>>> Recherche ... ?
>>
>> >>>> Some that come to my mind are:
>>
>> >>>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>>
>> >>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in
>> >>> the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo", etc.
>> >>> (not "etc." itself, though).
>> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
>>
>> > Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic",
>> > which makes your statement inaccurate.
>>
>> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
>>
>> > It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
>> > (while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
>> > esoteric words?
>> I think Ken must have meant "quia", which was on your list of examples.
>
>Yes, that's what I thought too.

Yes, you're both right.

>I responded on "qui" as he'd mentioned
>it, but "quia" itself is also used in English in e.g. the legal phrase "(bill)
>quia timet".

No, as far as I'm concerned, it is *not* used in English. The legal
phrase "(bill) quia timet" remains Latin, not English. Many foreign
words and phrases are used by English writers and speakers, but that
doesn't make them English.

For example, many English speakers know and say "cogito, ergo sum,"
but that also remains Latin, not English.

>> >> Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
>> >> people.

Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 17:28:17 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 12:30:07 UTC+2, CDB a écrit :
> >> On 5/28/2022 11:08 AM, Bebercito wrote:
> >> > Ken Blake a écrit :
> >> >> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >>> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >>
> >> >>>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with
> >> >>>> Esoteric, ...
> >>
> >> >>>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric,
> >> >>>> Recherche ... ?
> >>
> >> >>>> Some that come to my mind are:
> >>
> >> >>>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
> >>
> >> >>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in
> >> >>> the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo", etc.
> >> >>> (not "etc." itself, though).
> >> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
> >>
> >> > Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic",
> >> > which makes your statement inaccurate.
> >>
> >> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
> >>
> >> > It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
> >> > (while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
> >> > esoteric words?
> >> I think Ken must have meant "quia", which was on your list of examples..
> >
> >Yes, that's what I thought too.
> Yes, you're both right.
> >I responded on "qui" as he'd mentioned
> >it, but "quia" itself is also used in English in e.g. the legal phrase "(bill)
> >quia timet".
> No, as far as I'm concerned, it is *not* used in English. The legal
> phrase "(bill) quia timet" remains Latin, not English. Many foreign
> words and phrases are used by English writers and speakers, but that
> doesn't make them English.

It does as long as they're listed in English dictionaries, unlike other Latin
words and phrases.
>
> For example, many English speakers know and say "cogito, ergo sum,"
> but that also remains Latin, not English.
> >> >> Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
> >> >> people.

On Sun, 29 May 2022 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
<bebercito@aol.com> wrote:

>Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 17:28:17 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
>> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 12:30:07 UTC+2, CDB a écrit :
>> >> On 5/28/2022 11:08 AM, Bebercito wrote:
>> >> > Ken Blake a écrit :
>> >> >> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>> >>
>> >> >>>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with
>> >> >>>> Esoteric, ...
>> >>
>> >> >>>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric,
>> >> >>>> Recherche ... ?
>> >>
>> >> >>>> Some that come to my mind are:
>> >>
>> >> >>>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>> >>
>> >> >>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in
>> >> >>> the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo", etc.
>> >> >>> (not "etc." itself, though).
>> >> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
>> >>
>> >> > Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic",
>> >> > which makes your statement inaccurate.
>> >>
>> >> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
>> >>
>> >> > It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
>> >> > (while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
>> >> > esoteric words?
>> >> I think Ken must have meant "quia", which was on your list of examples.
>> >
>> >Yes, that's what I thought too.
>> Yes, you're both right.
>> >I responded on "qui" as he'd mentioned
>> >it, but "quia" itself is also used in English in e.g. the legal phrase "(bill)
>> >quia timet".
>> No, as far as I'm concerned, it is *not* used in English. The legal
>> phrase "(bill) quia timet" remains Latin, not English. Many foreign
>> words and phrases are used by English writers and speakers, but that
>> doesn't make them English.
>
>It does as long as they're listed in English dictionaries, unlike other Latin
>words and phrases.

Not to me.

First, not all dictionaries are the same. It may be listed in one, but
not another. We don't all choose to agree with same dictionaries.

Second, I'm accustomed to seeing some foreign words and phrases in my
WNI2, but they are marked as "foreign" there. Yes, they may be listed,
but they are not English.

>> For example, many English speakers know and say "cogito, ergo sum,"
>> but that also remains Latin, not English.
>> >> >> Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
>> >> >> people.

In message <00j79hl0kkohdt4s299pqt290ape28a9ub@4ax.com> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
> <bebercito@aol.com> wrote:

>>Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 17:28:17 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
>>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
>>> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 12:30:07 UTC+2, CDB a écrit :
>>> >> On 5/28/2022 11:08 AM, Bebercito wrote:
>>> >> > Ken Blake a écrit :
>>> >> >> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with
>>> >> >>>> Esoteric, ...
>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric,
>>> >> >>>> Recherche ... ?
>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> Some that come to my mind are:
>>> >>
>>> >> >>>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
>>> >>
>>> >> >>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in
>>> >> >>> the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo", etc.
>>> >> >>> (not "etc." itself, though).
>>> >> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
>>> >>
>>> >> > Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic",
>>> >> > which makes your statement inaccurate.
>>> >>
>>> >> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
>>> >>
>>> >> > It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
>>> >> > (while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
>>> >> > esoteric words?
>>> >> I think Ken must have meant "quia", which was on your list of examples.
>>> >
>>> >Yes, that's what I thought too.
>>> Yes, you're both right.
>>> >I responded on "qui" as he'd mentioned
>>> >it, but "quia" itself is also used in English in e.g. the legal phrase "(bill)
>>> >quia timet".
>>> No, as far as I'm concerned, it is *not* used in English. The legal
>>> phrase "(bill) quia timet" remains Latin, not English. Many foreign
>>> words and phrases are used by English writers and speakers, but that
>>> doesn't make them English.
>>
>>It does as long as they're listed in English dictionaries, unlike other Latin
>>words and phrases.

> Not to me.

We've been through this many times. Just because you are not familiar
with, or do not yourself use certain words does not make them
not-English.

--
Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice!

Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 21:43:22 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 17:28:17 UTC+2, Ken Blake a écrit :
> >> On Sun, 29 May 2022 07:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Bebercito
> >> <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Le dimanche 29 mai 2022 à 12:30:07 UTC+2, CDB a écrit :
> >> >> On 5/28/2022 11:08 AM, Bebercito wrote:
> >> >> > Ken Blake a écrit :
> >> >> >> Bebercito <bebe...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>> henh...@gmail.com a écrit :
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> Usually poly-syllabic (sesquipedalian) is synonymous with
> >> >> >>>> Esoteric, ...
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> What are some short words that are (nevertheless) Esoteric,
> >> >> >>>> Recherche ... ?
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> Some that come to my mind are:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> ----------- [kith and kin], limn, littoral, nodus, rath
> >> >>
> >> >> >>> All short Latin words used in English, e.g. "hic" and "nunc" in
> >> >> >>> the phrase "hic et nunc" (= here and now), "quia", "ergo", etc.
> >> >> >>> (not "etc." itself, though).
> >> >> >> In my experience "chic," " nun,"
> >> >>
> >> >> > Funnily, you removed the -c in "nunc" to insert it before "hic",
> >> >> > which makes your statement inaccurate.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> and "qui" are never used in English.
> >> >>
> >> >> > It features in e.g "qui vive". I suppose it's uncommon in English
> >> >> > (while it's quite ordinary in French), but isn't the topic about
> >> >> > esoteric words?
> >> >> I think Ken must have meant "quia", which was on your list of examples.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, that's what I thought too.
> >> Yes, you're both right.
> >> >I responded on "qui" as he'd mentioned
> >> >it, but "quia" itself is also used in English in e.g. the legal phrase "(bill)
> >> >quia timet".
> >> No, as far as I'm concerned, it is *not* used in English. The legal
> >> phrase "(bill) quia timet" remains Latin, not English. Many foreign
> >> words and phrases are used by English writers and speakers, but that
> >> doesn't make them English.
> >
> >It does as long as they're listed in English dictionaries, unlike other Latin
> >words and phrases.
> Not to me.
>
> First, not all dictionaries are the same. It may be listed in one, but
> not another. We don't all choose to agree with same dictionaries.

A dictionary reflects the words actually used by the speakers of
a language, based on data. You may not quite agree with some
definitions it gives, but not with the presence of the words in it.
>
> Second, I'm accustomed to seeing some foreign words and phrases in my
> WNI2, but they are marked as "foreign" there. Yes, they may be listed,
> but they are not English.
> >> For example, many English speakers know and say "cogito, ergo sum,"
> >> but that also remains Latin, not English.
> >> >> >> Of your list, only "ergo" is, and even that is not used by most
> >> >> >> people.