in this paper (PDF file that you can easily find on the net),
the linguist author (Olof Eriksson) says that in French Avec is
increasing being used instead of the 3 alternatives (de, a, pour) in the following context (proverbalization).

>>> (Conclusion of the paper) ................... French is also the only language to demonstrate a diachronic development in the use of the prepositions: Avec — (which never occurs before 1940) — is at present on the point of taking over the role earlier assigned to pour, à and, above all, de.

The reasons for this development are probably mainly psychological: Avec is felt to be semantically more neutral and accordingly more suitable than the other prepositions as a grammatical tool. Also, there is a feeling that avec produces a more clear-cut break in the transitivity of the verb, which becomes more urgent as its representation scope increases. <<<

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When (in dative function) the word governed by the preposition in the comparative clause is not nominal but pronominal , the shift from à to avec is inevitable (cf. (97)),

(97) J’ai envie de lui dire comme Thérèse le fait avec moi : “Essuie-toi, va te laver les dents.” (Max Gallo, L’Oiseau des origines, 1974: 25, Paris: Robert Laffont)

(*“comme Thérèse le fait à moi”)

“I feel like saying to him, as Thérèse does with me: “Get dry, brush your teeth.”

------------------ in English , [as Thérèse does to me] is more common ???

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DE: J’ai envie de lui dire comme elle le fait de moi

---- i can't tell if this is grammatical.

POUR: J’ai envie de lui dire comme elle le fait pour moi

---- this prob. means something different.

A: J’ai envie de lui dire comme elle le fait a moi

---- this seems grammatical. (more old-fashioned?)

but he says the shift to Avec is inevitable.

On 29/05/22 11:02, henh...@gmail.com wrote:

> in this paper (PDF file that you can easily find on the net),

Stefan knows where it is, but he won't tell you.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Without the [fait], the preposition is à (aux) ----------- not Avec

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On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 6:02:38 PM UTC-7, henh...@gmail.com wrote:
> in this paper (PDF file that you can easily find on the net),
> the linguist author (Olof Eriksson) says that in French Avec is
> increasing being used instead of the 3 alternatives (de, a, pour) in the following context (proverbalization).
>
>
>
> >>> (Conclusion of the paper) ................... French is also the only language to demonstrate a diachronic development in the use of the prepositions: Avec — (which never occurs before 1940) — is at present on the point of taking over the role earlier assigned to pour, à and, above all, de.
>
> The reasons for this development are probably mainly psychological: Avec is felt to be semantically more neutral and accordingly more suitable than the other prepositions as a grammatical tool. Also, there is a feeling that avec produces a more clear-cut break in the transitivity of the verb, which becomes more urgent as its representation scope increases. <<<
>
> _______________________________
>
> When (in dative function) the word governed by the preposition in the comparative clause is not nominal but pronominal , the shift from à to avec is inevitable (cf. (97)),
>
> (97) J’ai envie de lui dire comme Thérèse le fait avec moi : “Essuie-toi, va te laver les dents.” (Max Gallo, L’Oiseau des origines, 1974: 25, Paris: Robert Laffont)
>
> (*“comme Thérèse le fait à moi”)
>
> “I feel like saying to him, as Thérèse does with me: “Get dry, brush your teeth.”
>
> ------------------ in English , [as Thérèse does to me] is more common ???
>
>
> _______________________________
>
> DE: J’ai envie de lui dire comme elle le fait de moi
>
> ---- i can't tell if this is grammatical.
>
>
> POUR: J’ai envie de lui dire comme elle le fait pour moi
>
> ---- this prob. means something different.
>
>
> A: J’ai envie de lui dire comme elle le fait a moi
>
> ---- this seems grammatical. (more old-fashioned?)
>
> but he says the shift to Avec is inevitable.