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Subject: Times up for Ukraine?
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by: ltlee1 - Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:45 UTC

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-5, ltlee1 wrote:

> Rand has a thorough and methodical report on the conflict.
> https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html
>
> Currently, the Russia-Ukraine is at a stalemate and neither side is willing to negotiate.
> Allowing the war to drag on would increase the risk of nuclear confrontation and direct
> Russia-NATO conflict. Not beneficial to the US and/or NATO allies.
>
> My take:
> To persuade Ukraine to the negotiation table and accepting territorial loss, Ukraine is
> encouraged/allowed to counterattack with MAXIMAL NATO support until it loses its
> forward momentum.

Is the US forcing Ukraine to sue for peace?
"U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said he believes that Ukraine is ready to negotiate with Russia if the Russian side shows its interest in diplomacy.

He stated this on the ABC television channel, Ukrinform reports.

"As to negotiations, it takes two to tango. And thus far, we see no indication that Vladimir Putin has any interest in meaningful diplomacy. If he does, I think the Ukrainians will be the first to engage, and we'll be right behind them. Everyone wants this war to end, but it has to end on just terms and on durable terms that reflect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Blinken said."

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3759632-blinken-says-ukrainian-authorities-may-agree-to-talks-with-moscow.html

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Subject: Re: Times up for Ukraine?
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by: bmoore - Wed, 13 Sep 2023 18:36 UTC

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:45:48 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 12:27:00 PM UTC-5, ltlee1 wrote:
>
> > Rand has a thorough and methodical report on the conflict.
> > https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html
> >
> > Currently, the Russia-Ukraine is at a stalemate and neither side is willing to negotiate.
> > Allowing the war to drag on would increase the risk of nuclear confrontation and direct
> > Russia-NATO conflict. Not beneficial to the US and/or NATO allies.
> >
> > My take:
> > To persuade Ukraine to the negotiation table and accepting territorial loss, Ukraine is
> > encouraged/allowed to counterattack with MAXIMAL NATO support until it loses its
> > forward momentum.
>
> Is the US forcing Ukraine to sue for peace?
> "U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said he believes that Ukraine is ready to negotiate with Russia if the Russian side shows its interest in diplomacy.
>
> He stated this on the ABC television channel, Ukrinform reports.
>
> "As to negotiations, it takes two to tango. And thus far, we see no indication that Vladimir Putin has any interest in meaningful diplomacy. If he does, I think the Ukrainians will be the first to engage, and we'll be right behind them. Everyone wants this war to end, but it has to end on just terms and on durable terms that reflect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Blinken said."
>
> https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3759632-blinken-says-ukrainian-authorities-may-agree-to-talks-with-moscow.html

Ukraine was attacked by Russia. That is indisputable. You want to blame the US, whatever. But it's on Putin, mostly. Obviously.

Subject	Author
Times up for Ukraine?	ltlee1
Re: Times up for Ukraine?	bmoore