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by: A. Filip - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 09:09 UTC

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu
> Chapter II · Waging War
> 故兵貴勝，不貴久。
> What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations.
> 兵久而國利者，未之有也。
> There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged
> warfare.

The quotes above apply to *both* sides but IMHO significantly more to
the side which had chosen to start _open_ war.

Feel free to "counter quote" even if merely for entertainment value.

The quote for Ukraine (the weaker side) perspective:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/94317-the-quickest-way-of-ending-a-war-is-to-lose
> “The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it.”
> ― George Orwell

--
| For I swore I would stay a year away from her; out and alas! but
| with break of day I went to make supplication.
| (Paulus Silentiarius, c. 540 A.D.)

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by: ltlee1 - Tue, 5 Sep 2023 12:56 UTC

On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 5:10:14 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sun_Tzu
> > Chapter II · Waging War
> > 故兵貴勝，不貴久。
> > What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations.
> > 兵久而國利者，未之有也。
> > There is no instance of a nation benefiting from prolonged
> > warfare.
>
> The quotes above apply to *both* sides but IMHO significantly more to
> the side which had chosen to start _open_ war.
>
> Feel free to "counter quote" even if merely for entertainment value.

The way I see it, Russia's offensive phase was kind of stopped when Kherson
was taken but later abandoned. The incorporation of the 4 oblast certainly
signals a degree of Russian victory.

At present, it is Ukraine's turn for offensive action and Russia is waiting for its
opportunity for bigger gain.

Concerning prolonged warfare, an influential Chinese expression is "chicken rib."
Not much meat to chew on, yet to much to give up. Zelenskyy and his supporters
had their position frozen long ago, the war has to continue. How about the average
Ukrainians? Concerning Ukraine's foreign backers, the US and some ex-Soviet
nations may also prefer the conflict to continue until the large Ukrainians.. How
about other European nations? Do they want the war to continue indefinitely?

I'll be Grateful when they're Dead.

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Sun Tzu about Putin's "the special operation" in Ukraine	A. Filip
Re: Sun Tzu about Putin's "the special operation" in Ukraine	ltlee1