I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
leaked. Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white crap.
I returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
in a while. Duracells are no better. Maxells are worse.

I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to only
discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month. Most
of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very often.

I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
there's a better brand...

--
Cheers, Bev
Bender: And so I ask you this one question: Have you ever tried simply
turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

On 12/3/2021 3:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
> leaked.  Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white crap. I
> returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
> in a while.  Duracells are no better.  Maxells are worse.
>
> I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to only
> discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month.  Most
> of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very often.
>
> I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
> maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
> there's a better brand...
>

The eneloops seem to get the best reports. They seem to hold charge
great in my experience. I bought some of the Amazon Basics, which seem
to be working fine so far.

On 12/03/2021 04:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 12/3/2021 3:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
>> leaked. Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white crap. I
>> returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
>> in a while. Duracells are no better. Maxells are worse.
>>
>> I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to only
>> discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month. Most
>> of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very often.
>>
>> I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
>> maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
>> there's a better brand...

They guarantee to replace any device damaged by Energizer leakage.
Probably can't get better than that.

> The eneloops seem to get the best reports.

The only thing I'd use rechargeables for is my Canon digital camera --
which I stopped using because the Pixel2 is so much more convenient. If
I needed some I'd probably buy Eneloops.

> They seem to hold charge
> great in my experience. I bought some of the Amazon Basics, which seem
> to be working fine so far.

How long have you had the Basics? The leaky Kirklands I just found had
probably been in the little digital postage scale for a couple of years,
and I'd used the thing just a few months ago with no problem.

Sam's has the best price on the Energizers, but it's a nuisance to go
there. I guess buying 100 of them might make it worth the trip...

--
Cheers. Bev
It's not true that Lucas, in 1947, tried to get Parliament
to repeal Ohm's Law. They withdrew their efforts when they
met too much resistance.

On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 3:54:29 PM UTC-8, The Real Bev wrote:
> I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
> leaked. Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white crap.
> I returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
> in a while. Duracells are no better. Maxells are worse.
>
> I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to only
> discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month. Most
> of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very often.
>
> I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
> maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
> there's a better brand...
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> Bender: And so I ask you this one question: Have you ever tried simply
> turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

Kirkland, Duracel, Energizer, CVS, Walgreens brand = all about the same, so shop based by price.

Maxell, Panasonic, anything that comes free with remotes/cheap electronics = AVOID

This comes from decades of constantly running portable electronics with moving parts (cassette players etc) that sucked batteries.

My last 48 pack from a few years ago is half used.

On 12/4/2021 1:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 12/03/2021 04:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 12/3/2021 3:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
>>> leaked.  Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white crap. I
>>> returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
>>> in a while.  Duracells are no better.  Maxells are worse.
>>>
>>> I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to only
>>> discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month.  Most
>>> of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very often.
>>>
>>> I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
>>> maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
>>> there's a better brand...
>
> They guarantee to replace any device damaged by Energizer leakage.
> Probably can't get better than that.
>
>> The eneloops seem to get the best reports.
>
> The only thing I'd use rechargeables for is my Canon digital camera --
> which I stopped using because the Pixel2 is so much more convenient.  If
> I needed some I'd probably buy Eneloops.

I have not bought alkaline's in years. I have never had any serious
damage by NiCd or Nimh batteries, and they cost next to nothing over
their lives.

>
>> They seem to hold charge
>> great in my experience. I bought some of the Amazon Basics, which seem
>> to be working fine so far.
>
> How long have you had the Basics?  The leaky Kirklands I just found had
> probably been in the little digital postage scale for a couple of years,
> and I'd used the thing just a few months ago with no problem.
>
> Sam's has the best price on the Energizers, but it's a nuisance to go
> there.  I guess buying 100 of them might make it worth the trip...
>

On 12/05/2021 09:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 12/4/2021 1:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 12/03/2021 04:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2021 3:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
>>>> leaked. Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white crap. I
>>>> returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
>>>> in a while. Duracells are no better. Maxells are worse.
>>>>
>>>> I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to only
>>>> discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month. Most
>>>> of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very often.
>>>>
>>>> I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
>>>> maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
>>>> there's a better brand...
>>
>> They guarantee to replace any device damaged by Energizer leakage.
>> Probably can't get better than that.
>>
>>> The eneloops seem to get the best reports.
>>
>> The only thing I'd use rechargeables for is my Canon digital camera --
>> which I stopped using because the Pixel2 is so much more convenient. If
>> I needed some I'd probably buy Eneloops.
>
> I have not bought alkaline's in years. I have never had any serious
> damage by NiCd or Nimh batteries, and they cost next to nothing over
> their lives.

The problem is that they're dead when you want to use the thing they
live in. Like flashlights or Brother labelmakers or...

Actually, the rechargeables in my Motorola walkie-talkies, maybe 10
years old, don't seem to run down much even if I've never used them. I
check every couple of years and they still have enough charge to light
up. Give 'em another charge and they're good to go.

>>> They seem to hold charge
>>> great in my experience. I bought some of the Amazon Basics, which seem
>>> to be working fine so far.
>>
>> How long have you had the Basics? The leaky Kirklands I just found had
>> probably been in the little digital postage scale for a couple of years,
>> and I'd used the thing just a few months ago with no problem.
>>
>> Sam's has the best price on the Energizers, but it's a nuisance to go
>> there. I guess buying 100 of them might make it worth the trip...

They're the only ones who guarantee to replace any device damaged by
leaky Energizers. Good enough for me.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Once you've provoked a few people into publicly swearing they are
going to hunt you down and kill you, the thrill wears off."
-Elric of Imrryr

On 12/5/2021 11:32 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 12/05/2021 09:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
>> On 12/4/2021 1:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 12/03/2021 04:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/2021 3:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
>>>>> leaked.  Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white
>>>>> crap. I
>>>>> returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
>>>>> in a while.  Duracells are no better.  Maxells are worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to
>>>>> only
>>>>> discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month.
>>>>> Most
>>>>> of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very
>>>>> often.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
>>>>> maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
>>>>> there's a better brand...
>>>
>>> They guarantee to replace any device damaged by Energizer leakage.
>>> Probably can't get better than that.
>>>
>>>> The eneloops seem to get the best reports.
>>>
>>> The only thing I'd use rechargeables for is my Canon digital camera --
>>> which I stopped using because the Pixel2 is so much more convenient.  If
>>> I needed some I'd probably buy Eneloops.
>>
>> I have not bought alkaline's in years. I have never had any serious
>> damage by NiCd or Nimh batteries, and they cost next to nothing over
>> their lives.
>
> The problem is that they're dead when you want to use the thing they
> live in.  Like flashlights or Brother labelmakers or...

Sounds like the older battery types. The good "pre-charged" ones do much
better.

>
> Actually, the rechargeables in my Motorola walkie-talkies, maybe 10
> years old, don't seem to run down much even if I've never used them.  I
> check every couple of years and they still have enough charge to light
> up.  Give 'em another charge and they're good to go.

Cheap old type cells do not hold a charge like the newer "pre-charged"
cells. The eneloops are "rated" for 500-2000 charges, depending on the
type, and really do hold charge for many months at a minimum.
>
>>>> They seem to hold charge
>>>> great in my experience. I bought some of the Amazon Basics, which seem
>>>> to be working fine so far.
>>>
>>> How long have you had the Basics?  The leaky Kirklands I just found had
>>> probably been in the little digital postage scale for a couple of years,
>>> and I'd used the thing just a few months ago with no problem.
>>>
>>> Sam's has the best price on the Energizers, but it's a nuisance to go
>>> there.  I guess buying 100 of them might make it worth the trip...
>
> They're the only ones who guarantee to replace any device damaged by
> leaky Energizers.  Good enough for me.

I have never had enough leakage from NiCd or NiMh batteries to damage
anything.

Alkaline's have corroded many gadgets for me in the same time.

On 12/06/2021 06:55 AM, Bob F wrote:
> On 12/5/2021 11:32 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 12/05/2021 09:04 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>> On 12/4/2021 1:15 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 12/03/2021 04:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
>>>>> On 12/3/2021 3:54 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>>> I just opened up my electronic scale to find my Kirkland batteries had
>>>>>> leaked. Didn't damage the springs, just covered them with white
>>>>>> crap. I
>>>>>> returned all the ones I had to Costco, but I get a surprise every once
>>>>>> in a while. Duracells are no better. Maxells are worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I approve of rechargeables, but the Duracells that were supposed to
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> discharge to 90 % after a year (unused) didn't even last a month.
>>>>>> Most
>>>>>> of what I need batteries for are things that don't get used very
>>>>>> often.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought Energizers at Sam's a while back (within the last year, or
>>>>>> maybe two) and haven't seen any problems so far, but I'm wondering if
>>>>>> there's a better brand...
>>>>
>>>> They guarantee to replace any device damaged by Energizer leakage.
>>>> Probably can't get better than that.
>>>>
>>>>> The eneloops seem to get the best reports.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I'd use rechargeables for is my Canon digital camera --
>>>> which I stopped using because the Pixel2 is so much more convenient. If
>>>> I needed some I'd probably buy Eneloops.
>>>
>>> I have not bought alkaline's in years. I have never had any serious
>>> damage by NiCd or Nimh batteries, and they cost next to nothing over
>>> their lives.
>>
>> The problem is that they're dead when you want to use the thing they
>> live in. Like flashlights or Brother labelmakers or...
>
> Sounds like the older battery types. The good "pre-charged" ones do much
> better.

I'm talking about the 'good pre-charged' Duracells, not the older
'rechargeables'. Dead in a month.

>> Actually, the rechargeables in my Motorola walkie-talkies, maybe 10
>> years old, don't seem to run down much even if I've never used them. I
>> check every couple of years and they still have enough charge to light
>> up. Give 'em another charge and they're good to go.
>
> Cheap old type cells do not hold a charge like the newer "pre-charged"
> cells. The eneloops are "rated" for 500-2000 charges, depending on the
> type, and really do hold charge for many months at a minimum.

The Duracell pre-charged batteries came out perhaps 2 years after the
Eneloops, giving them plenty of time to implement the technology.
Perhaps they came out sooner, but I wanted to wait and wasn't paying
active attention.

Yeah, I should have bought Eneloops -- but I trusted Duracell then.

>> They're the only ones who guarantee to replace any device damaged by
>> leaky Energizers. Good enough for me.
>
> I have never had enough leakage from NiCd or NiMh batteries to damage
> anything.

Never had any leakage, they just died alone in the dark.

> Alkaline's have corroded many gadgets for me in the same time.

--
Cheers, Bev
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we're doing is holding them down while the salespeople screw them."
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