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by: A. Filip - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 00:03 UTC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66689547
> Proud Boys Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola jailed for US Capitol riot
> 2023-09-01T21:57:50.000Z
>
> […] Dominic Pezzola, 46, who was convicted of assaulting police and
> obstructing an official proceeding, was sentenced to 10 years in
> prison.
> Ethan Nordean, 32, who led the group's march on Congress on 6 January
> 2021, was sentenced to 18 years for a more serious seditious
> conspiracy charge.
> The former head of the group, Enrique Tarrio, will be sentenced next
> week. […]

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| It is better to never have tried anything than to have tried
| something and failed. (motto of jerks, weenies and losers everywhere)

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by: bmoore - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 23:53 UTC

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66689547
> > Proud Boys Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola jailed for US Capitol riot
> > 2023-09-01T21:57:50.000Z
> >
> > […] Dominic Pezzola, 46, who was convicted of assaulting police and
> > obstructing an official proceeding, was sentenced to 10 years in
> > prison.
> > Ethan Nordean, 32, who led the group's march on Congress on 6 January
> > 2021, was sentenced to 18 years for a more serious seditious
> > conspiracy charge.
> > The former head of the group, Enrique Tarrio, will be sentenced next
> > week. […]

All reasonable sentences IMO.

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by: A. Filip - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 06:21 UTC

bmoore <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote:
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66689547
>> > Proud Boys Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola jailed for US Capitol riot
>> > 2023-09-01T21:57:50.000Z
>> >
>> > […] Dominic Pezzola, 46, who was convicted of assaulting police and
>> > obstructing an official proceeding, was sentenced to 10 years in
>> > prison.
>> > Ethan Nordean, 32, who led the group's march on Congress on 6 January
>> > 2021, was sentenced to 18 years for a more serious seditious
>> > conspiracy charge.
>> > The former head of the group, Enrique Tarrio, will be sentenced next
>> > week. […]
>
> All reasonable sentences IMO.

It is the sentencing example PRC should remember/follow, shouldn't it?

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| (I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission)

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by: ltlee1 - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 14:39 UTC

On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 2:21:56 AM UTC-4, A. Filip wrote:
> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66689547
> >> > Proud Boys Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola jailed for US Capitol riot
> >> > 2023-09-01T21:57:50.000Z
> >> >
> >> > […] Dominic Pezzola, 46, who was convicted of assaulting police and
> >> > obstructing an official proceeding, was sentenced to 10 years in
> >> > prison.
> >> > Ethan Nordean, 32, who led the group's march on Congress on 6 January
> >> > 2021, was sentenced to 18 years for a more serious seditious
> >> > conspiracy charge.
> >> > The former head of the group, Enrique Tarrio, will be sentenced next
> >> > week. […]
> >
> > All reasonable sentences IMO.
> It is the sentencing example PRC should remember/follow, shouldn't it?
>
Or the US is following the PRC.
"香港首例《香港國安法》案件判刑，高等法院此前裁定24歲被告人唐英傑「煽動他人分裂國家罪」和
「恐怖活動罪」成立後，判處他九年有期徒刑，並吊銷駕駛執照十年。
唐英傑被控於2020年7月1日下午，駕駛插有「光復香港時代革命」字樣旗幟的摩托車到灣仔撞向三名
警員，致警員嚴重受傷。高院奉香港律政司命令不設陪審團審理此案，裁定他有罪，並裁定該口號的
「自然而合理後果」是構成煽動他人分裂中國，而被告人把摩托車撞向警員是故意挑戰香港法治的象
徵，造成嚴重社會危害。
高院原訟法庭法官杜麗冰、彭寶琴、陳嘉信星期五（7月30日）判刑時指出，雖然被告人表達了悔意，
但由於他不認罪在先，不能減免刑期。唐英傑辯護方表示已決定上訴。"
https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/trad/chinese-news-58021799
(bbc.com's English version in which the factual detail concerning Tong's knocking down 3 policemen
while riding a motorcycle was omitted.)
> --
> A. Filip
> | We gave you an atomic bomb, what do you want, mermaids?
> | (I. I. Rabi to the Atomic Energy Commission)

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by: bmoore - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:04 UTC

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 11:21:56 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> > On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-7, A. Filip wrote:
> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66689547
> >> > Proud Boys Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola jailed for US Capitol riot
> >> > 2023-09-01T21:57:50.000Z
> >> >
> >> > […] Dominic Pezzola, 46, who was convicted of assaulting police and
> >> > obstructing an official proceeding, was sentenced to 10 years in
> >> > prison.
> >> > Ethan Nordean, 32, who led the group's march on Congress on 6 January
> >> > 2021, was sentenced to 18 years for a more serious seditious
> >> > conspiracy charge.
> >> > The former head of the group, Enrique Tarrio, will be sentenced next
> >> > week. […]
> >
> > All reasonable sentences IMO.
> It is the sentencing example PRC should remember/follow, shouldn't it?

In the PRC a man like Trump would be in prison. Problem is that so would many others who shouldn't be.

He who has a shady past knows that nice guys finish last.

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Proper sentencing lessons from USA [Capitol Coffee Party]	A. Filip
Re: Proper sentencing lessons from USA [Capitol Coffee Party]	bmoore
Re: Proper sentencing lessons from USA [Capitol Coffee Party]	A. Filip
Re: Proper sentencing lessons from USA [Capitol Coffee Party]	ltlee1
Re: Proper sentencing lessons from USA [Capitol Coffee Party]	bmoore