Damned if I'd pay does to an organization with this guy in charge but
many do

https://tinyurl.com/3c3uadzp

NRA leaders called its members 'hillbillies' and 'fruitcakes' in
secretly recorded audio following Columbine massacre

On 11/9/21 19:48, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Damned if I'd pay does to an organization with this guy in charge but
> many do
>
> https://tinyurl.com/3c3uadzp
>
> NRA leaders called its members 'hillbillies' and 'fruitcakes' in
> secretly recorded audio following Columbine massacre

I like GOA better

https://www.gunowners.org

and there is always

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com

On 11/9/21 10:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Damned if I'd pay does to an organization with this guy in charge but
> many do
>
> https://tinyurl.com/3c3uadzp
>
> NRA leaders called its members 'hillbillies' and 'fruitcakes' in
> secretly recorded audio following Columbine massacre

No doubt some of the members are- just like in most organizations- but
who will do the best job protecting your right to keep and bear...?

--
When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that
you distrust them.
- Niccolo Machiavelli

On 11/10/2021 7:40 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 11/9/21 10:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Damned if I'd pay does to an organization with this guy in charge but
>> many do
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/3c3uadzp
>>
>> NRA leaders called its members 'hillbillies' and 'fruitcakes' in
>> secretly recorded audio following Columbine massacre
>
> No doubt some of the members are- just like in most organizations- but
> who will do the best job protecting your right to keep and bear...?
>

I agree. While not a perfect group they do have an extremely large
membership and the most clout.

I doubt Ed would be an NRA member no matter what was said.

IMHO if the Democrat party was not so anti-gun, the NRA would tend to
have a liberal bent which I have seen set in with other large, older
organizations.

Personally, I belong to the NRA but pay no dues as a life member. Must
have been 40 years and one of the best deals I ever made. I encourage
others in the NRA to do it.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:21:09 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 7:40 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
> > On 11/9/21 10:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Damned if I'd pay does to an organization with this guy in charge but
> >> many do
> >>
> >> https://tinyurl.com/3c3uadzp
> >>
> >> NRA leaders called its members 'hillbillies' and 'fruitcakes' in
> >> secretly recorded audio following Columbine massacre
> >
> > No doubt some of the members are- just like in most organizations- but
> > who will do the best job protecting your right to keep and bear...?
> >
> I agree. While not a perfect group they do have an extremely large
> membership and the most clout.
>
> I doubt Ed would be an NRA member no matter what was said.
>
> IMHO if the Democrat party was not so anti-gun, the NRA would tend to
> have a liberal bent which I have seen set in with other large, older
> organizations.
>
> Personally, I belong to the NRA but pay no dues as a life member. Must
> have been 40 years and one of the best deals I ever made. I encourage
> others in the NRA to do it.

I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
went too extremist for me. Took a couple more decades and Trump to
do the same with the Republican Party. The GOP it's not so much extremism
as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global warming.

On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 05:29:34 -0800 (PST), C <seagirt555@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:21:09 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 7:40 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
>> > On 11/9/21 10:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> Damned if I'd pay does to an organization with this guy in charge but
>> >> many do
>> >>
>> >> https://tinyurl.com/3c3uadzp
>> >>
>> >> NRA leaders called its members 'hillbillies' and 'fruitcakes' in
>> >> secretly recorded audio following Columbine massacre
>> >
>> > No doubt some of the members are- just like in most organizations- but
>> > who will do the best job protecting your right to keep and bear...?
>> >
>> I agree. While not a perfect group they do have an extremely large
>> membership and the most clout.
>>
>> I doubt Ed would be an NRA member no matter what was said.
>>
>> IMHO if the Democrat party was not so anti-gun, the NRA would tend to
>> have a liberal bent which I have seen set in with other large, older
>> organizations.
>>
>> Personally, I belong to the NRA but pay no dues as a life member. Must
>> have been 40 years and one of the best deals I ever made. I encourage
>> others in the NRA to do it.
>
>I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
>went too extremist for me. Took a couple more decades and Trump to
>do the same with the Republican Party. The GOP it's not so much extremism
>as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global warming.

What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
they are all gone.
They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
really want.

On 11/10/21 12:34, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

> What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
> that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
> stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
> they are all gone.
> They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
> people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
> really want.
>

Death by government is the leading killer of humans.

In the last century, the three major Left Wing Marxist
movements (Nazis, Communists, Fascist) all banned
insurrection weapons. What was the death count?
200 million souls?

It is damning that the gun banners do not give a shit
about murder weapons, only insurrection weapons. And
now they are openly Marxist.

Once these bastards get into power, they are very,
very difficult to remove.

On 11/10/2021 3:34 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>> I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
>> went too extremist for me. Took a couple more decades and Trump to
>> do the same with the Republican Party. The GOP it's not so much extremism
>> as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global warming.
>
> What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
> that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
> stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
> they are all gone.
> They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
> people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
> really want.
>

No, I'm actually pro 2nd Amendment and don't want to take legal guns
away. I do want gun owners to have some training. Most are responsible
but many are not.

Only thing I see the NRA doing is obstructing the slightest change or
regulation. I don't see them trying to fix Chicago. Maybe you can tell
me how they are helping to eliminate shootings there.

On 2021-11-09 at 20:48:34 MST, "Ed Pawlowski" <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

> Damned if I'd pay does to an organization with this guy in charge but
> many do
>
> https://tinyurl.com/3c3uadzp
>
> NRA leaders called its members 'hillbillies' and 'fruitcakes' in
> secretly recorded audio following Columbine massacre

“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually
degenerates into a racket.” -- Eric Hoffer

On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:19:18 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 11/10/2021 3:34 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>> I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
>>> went too extremist for me. Took a couple more decades and Trump to
>>> do the same with the Republican Party. The GOP it's not so much extremism
>>> as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global warming.
>>
>> What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
>> that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
>> stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
>> they are all gone.
>> They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
>> people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
>> really want.
>>
>
>No, I'm actually pro 2nd Amendment and don't want to take legal guns
>away. I do want gun owners to have some training. Most are responsible
>but many are not.
>
>Only thing I see the NRA doing is obstructing the slightest change or
>regulation. I don't see them trying to fix Chicago. Maybe you can tell
>me how they are helping to eliminate shootings there.

You are never going to "fix" Chicago with more laws. They simply need
to enforce the ones we have. The NRA points that out all the time and
cites all the laws that went unenforced to get to that murderous
state.
If you actually watched how they cut the crime and murder rate in New
York, it wasn't by passing new laws, Giuliani just started enforcing
the laws that were on the books and made a serious effort to stop
people from carrying illegal guns.

In article <0ffoogtta0ra4krvrmlt73fh2tf1d581ev@4ax.com>,
gfretwell@aol.com says...
>
> You are never going to "fix" Chicago with more laws. They simply need
> to enforce the ones we have. The NRA points that out all the time and
> cites all the laws that went unenforced to get to that murderous
> state.
> If you actually watched how they cut the crime and murder rate in New
> York, it wasn't by passing new laws, Giuliani just started enforcing
> the laws that were on the books and made a serious effort to stop
> people from carrying illegal guns.
>
>
>

This country just needs to get tough with the criminals. Such as when
someone commits a crime with a gun and is found guilty, hang them by the
end of the week. None of that stuff about fooling around for years .
For example many crimes are on vidio or have many witnesses. Don't give
any options but hanging by the end of the week. Same with the dopers.
Anyone with more than a trace of illegal drugs, hang them.

This country will never do that for many reasons, bu the biggest is
money. We employ thousands by fooling around with the criminals. Takes
weeks to try some cases. They should be over in a a week, two weeks at
the most. Courts, judges, lots of jails and guards, hard telling how
many others are supported by the long draw out system.
The lawyers get millions out of the trials.

On 11/10/2021 6:20 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <0ffoogtta0ra4krvrmlt73fh2tf1d581ev@4ax.com>,
> gfretwell@aol.com says...
>>
>> You are never going to "fix" Chicago with more laws. They simply need
>> to enforce the ones we have. The NRA points that out all the time and
>> cites all the laws that went unenforced to get to that murderous
>> state.
>> If you actually watched how they cut the crime and murder rate in New
>> York, it wasn't by passing new laws, Giuliani just started enforcing
>> the laws that were on the books and made a serious effort to stop
>> people from carrying illegal guns.
>>
>>
>>
>
> This country just needs to get tough with the criminals. Such as when
> someone commits a crime with a gun and is found guilty, hang them by the
> end of the week. None of that stuff about fooling around for years .
> For example many crimes are on vidio or have many witnesses. Don't give
> any options but hanging by the end of the week. Same with the dopers.
> Anyone with more than a trace of illegal drugs, hang them.
>
> This country will never do that for many reasons, bu the biggest is
> money. We employ thousands by fooling around with the criminals. Takes
> weeks to try some cases. They should be over in a a week, two weeks at
> the most. Courts, judges, lots of jails and guards, hard telling how
> many others are supported by the long draw out system.
> The lawyers get millions out of the trials.
>

The NRA cannot fix those that want to de-fund the police, that want
police citizen review boards or prosecutors that will not prosecute.

Recently in Philadelphia the police have been told not to stop anyone
for minor traffic violations as they mostly offend the minority community.

In New York with no cash bail the woman that pushed another women in
front of a subway train almost killing her is back on the street and in
the subways. Crime in the subways is up 80%.

On 11/10/21 4:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 3:34 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>> I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
>>> went too extremist for me.  Took a couple more decades and Trump to
>>> do the same with the Republican Party.  The GOP it's not so much
>>> extremism
>>> as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global
>>> warming.
>>
>> What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
>> that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
>> stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
>> they are all gone.
>> They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
>> people like Ed and Trader.  That is not what people like Bloomberg
>> really want.
>>
>
> No, I'm actually pro 2nd Amendment and don't want to take legal guns
> away.  I do want gun owners to have some training.  Most are responsible
> but many are not.
>
> Only thing I see the NRA doing is obstructing the slightest change or
> regulation.  I don't see them trying to fix Chicago.  Maybe you can tell
> me how they are helping to eliminate shootings there.

Ya' think all the shootings have anuything to do with the frightening
percentage of out-of-wedlock child births, absent fathers, endless cycle
of welfare, lack of accountability for one's decisions and actions, lack
of discipline, permissiveness, a victimology mind set, excuse making,
etc., etc.

--
I am not a product my circumstances, I am a product of my decisions

In article <smhm45$h7f$1@dont-email.me>, "frank "@frank.net says...
>
> Recently in Philadelphia the police have been told not to stop anyone
> for minor traffic violations as they mostly offend the minority community.
>
>
>

Isn't it in California where one city does not even go after a crime of
less than $ 1000 ? Many stores are closing because of this.

On 11/10/2021 3:20 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <0ffoogtta0ra4krvrmlt73fh2tf1d581ev@4ax.com>,
> gfretwell@aol.com says...
>>
>> You are never going to "fix" Chicago with more laws. They simply need
>> to enforce the ones we have. The NRA points that out all the time and
>> cites all the laws that went unenforced to get to that murderous
>> state.
>> If you actually watched how they cut the crime and murder rate in New
>> York, it wasn't by passing new laws, Giuliani just started enforcing
>> the laws that were on the books and made a serious effort to stop
>> people from carrying illegal guns.
>>
>>
>>
>
> This country just needs to get tough with the criminals. Such as when
> someone commits a crime with a gun and is found guilty, hang them by the
> end of the week. None of that stuff about fooling around for years .
> For example many crimes are on vidio or have many witnesses. Don't give
> any options but hanging by the end of the week. Same with the dopers.
> Anyone with more than a trace of illegal drugs, hang them.

Of course, you will have no problem with shooting the drunk drivers,
people driving over 15 over the limit, people who run stop signs and red
lights.

And then, there's the people who fail to get shots or wear masks and
give someone else covid. Shoot them twice.

>
> This country will never do that for many reasons, bu the biggest is
> money. We employ thousands by fooling around with the criminals. Takes
> weeks to try some cases. They should be over in a a week, two weeks at
> the most. Courts, judges, lots of jails and guards, hard telling how
> many others are supported by the long draw out system.
> The lawyers get millions out of the trials.
>

On 11/10/2021 02:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 3:34 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>> I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
>>> went too extremist for me. Took a couple more decades and Trump to
>>> do the same with the Republican Party. The GOP it's not so much
>>> extremism
>>> as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global
>>> warming.
>>
>> What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
>> that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
>> stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
>> they are all gone.
>> They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
>> people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
>> really want.
>>
>
> No, I'm actually pro 2nd Amendment and don't want to take legal guns
> away. I do want gun owners to have some training. Most are responsible
> but many are not.
>
> Only thing I see the NRA doing is obstructing the slightest change or
> regulation. I don't see them trying to fix Chicago. Maybe you can tell
> me how they are helping to eliminate shootings there.

That's reaction. You do not give the gun-grabbers ONE GOD DAMN INCH.
That's where the Republicans continually screw up. 'Maybe if we
compromise on this one little point they'll be reasonable.'

Fix Chicago? No problem. Ship about 30% of the residents to Ethiopia.
They'll fit right in. That ugly dyke can lead the exodus.

On 11/10/2021 04:20 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> This country just needs to get tough with the criminals. Such as when
> someone commits a crime with a gun and is found guilty, hang them by the
> end of the week. None of that stuff about fooling around for years .
> For example many crimes are on vidio or have many witnesses. Don't give
> any options but hanging by the end of the week. Same with the dopers.
> Anyone with more than a trace of illegal drugs, hang them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mO92ll_q0k

On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 18:20:54 -0500, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net>
wrote:

>This country just needs to get tough with the criminals. Such as when
>someone commits a crime with a gun and is found guilty, hang them by the
>end of the week. None of that stuff about fooling around for years .
>For example many crimes are on vidio or have many witnesses. Don't give
>any options but hanging by the end of the week. Same with the dopers.
>Anyone with more than a trace of illegal drugs, hang them.
>
>This country will never do that for many reasons, bu the biggest is
>money. We employ thousands by fooling around with the criminals. Takes
>weeks to try some cases. They should be over in a a week, two weeks at
>the most. Courts, judges, lots of jails and guards, hard telling how
>many others are supported by the long draw out system.
>The lawyers get millions out of the trials.

Sounds like you'd be much happier in one of the predominantly Muslim
countries. You might not like their gun laws but you'd get everything
else you're looking for. Obviously, 200+ years of Constitution-based
rule of law isn't to your liking.

Saudi Arabia comes to mind. On Fridays they held their public
sentencings, including whacking off the right hand of a person accused
of theft and beheading the more serious criminals. Beheading isn't as
messy as it sounds since they draw much of the blood immediately before
the public part of the proceedings.

In article <smhrqs$rgq$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>
> Of course, you will have no problem with shooting the drunk drivers,
> people driving over 15 over the limit, people who run stop signs and red
> lights.
>
> And then, there's the people who fail to get shots or wear masks and
> give someone else covid. Shoot them twice.
>
>
>

No I don't think they should be shot. However maybe hang the ones that
go over 100 mph and kill someone. I bet the foot ball player only gets
a few years for killing some one while going over 100 mph if that much.

There are minor violations and major ones.

In article <1f5pogl78jo98li51n1mkbmfeqkq7uvhgc@4ax.com>,
none@none.invalid says...
>
> Sounds like you'd be much happier in one of the predominantly Muslim
> countries. You might not like their gun laws but you'd get everything
> else you're looking for. Obviously, 200+ years of Constitution-based
> rule of law isn't to your liking.
>
>

The quick hanging seemed to work very well for the first 100 years. It
is the snowflake generation and Twinkey defense that has ruined the
country.

I believe it may have started when the cops did not read the criminal of
his rights.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 4:15:56 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
> On 11/10/21 12:34, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
> > that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
> > stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
> > they are all gone.
> > They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
> > people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
> > really want.
> >
> Death by government is the leading killer of humans.
>
> In the last century, the three major Left Wing Marxist
> movements (Nazis, Communists, Fascist) all banned
> insurrection weapons. What was the death count?
> 200 million souls?
>

What utter nonsense. As if WWII would not have happened if more
people in Germany had guns. The German people were in love
with Hitler. Pretty much the same with the Marxists. There is no
credible evidence that shows that had people had guns they would
have risen up and overthrown them.

> It is damning that the gun banners do not give a shit
> about murder weapons, only insurrection weapons. And
> now they are openly Marxist.

Show us a cite for that claim. What I see gun control advocates
seeking are a variety of measures that would keep crazy, unfit
malcontents from buying any guns. Yes, there is additional
focus on semi-automatic weapons, not because they are insurrection
weapons, but because they are more deadly than pistols and
have been the weapon of choice for most of the recent mass
murders. We didn't see this even twenty years ago, now it's
becoming a regular event.

What I have advocated for is a reasonable permitting process
across the entire US,
where to buy a gun you have to get a permit issued by the local
police dept. The right wingers say they love cops, yet they don't
trust police to do a reasonable background check before you can
walk into a store and buy a gun, like some states already do. Instead
it's better to be like Florida, where school shooter Cruz just walked
into a sporting goods store and bought whatever he wanted. The
local police had a file on him, dozens of calls to the home for trouble,
violence, they knew he had mental problems.

>
> Once these bastards get into power, they are very,
> very difficult to remove.

If you have the majority of votes, it's easy. We showed that Nov 2020.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 4:51:18 PM UTC-5, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 16:19:18 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> >On 11/10/2021 3:34 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
> >>> went too extremist for me. Took a couple more decades and Trump to
> >>> do the same with the Republican Party. The GOP it's not so much extremism
> >>> as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global warming.
> >>
> >> What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
> >> that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
> >> stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
> >> they are all gone.
> >> They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
> >> people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
> >> really want.
> >>
> >
> >No, I'm actually pro 2nd Amendment and don't want to take legal guns
> >away. I do want gun owners to have some training. Most are responsible
> >but many are not.
> >
> >Only thing I see the NRA doing is obstructing the slightest change or
> >regulation. I don't see them trying to fix Chicago. Maybe you can tell
> >me how they are helping to eliminate shootings there.
> You are never going to "fix" Chicago with more laws. They simply need
> to enforce the ones we have. The NRA points that out all the time and
> cites all the laws that went unenforced to get to that murderous
> state.
> If you actually watched how they cut the crime and murder rate in New
> York, it wasn't by passing new laws, Giuliani just started enforcing
> the laws that were on the books and made a serious effort to stop
> people from carrying illegal guns.

Ii agree with that. There are a lot of simple tools. Increase parole
visits. You catch the guy with drugs or weapons, straight back to
prison. Adopt stop, question, frisk, like Giuliani so successfully used.
The NRA really isn't in a position to do anything in Chicago directly.
The one that had the best moral authority to speak out and demand
changes was Obama and he stayed silent. The BLM bunch, they would
have the voice, but they don't speak out when it's black on black death,
only when some guy, usually a bad guy, winds up shot by a white cop.

The NRA does have some responsibility indirectly though. Their
opposition to changes to any gun control changes allow straw
buyers to buy guns in lax states and funnel them to other states
and cities.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 6:21:01 PM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <0ffoogtta0ra4krvr...@4ax.com>,
> gfre...@aol.com says...
> >
> > You are never going to "fix" Chicago with more laws. They simply need
> > to enforce the ones we have. The NRA points that out all the time and
> > cites all the laws that went unenforced to get to that murderous
> > state.
> > If you actually watched how they cut the crime and murder rate in New
> > York, it wasn't by passing new laws, Giuliani just started enforcing
> > the laws that were on the books and made a serious effort to stop
> > people from carrying illegal guns.
> >
> >
> >
> This country just needs to get tough with the criminals. Such as when
> someone commits a crime with a gun and is found guilty, hang them by the
> end of the week. None of that stuff about fooling around for years .
> For example many crimes are on vidio or have many witnesses. Don't give
> any options but hanging by the end of the week. Same with the dopers.
> Anyone with more than a trace of illegal drugs, hang them.

Right, let's make the US more like Iran or North Korea. No need for finding
out the facts, mounting a defense, having a fair trial. We should start with
Kyle Rittenhouse. He was arrested, there is video of him shooting and killing
a guy, he was arrested, charged by the stats. He should have been hung
a year ago.

>
> This country will never do that for many reasons,

Thank the Constitution and reasonable judgment for that.

bu the biggest is
> money. We employ thousands by fooling around with the criminals. Takes
> weeks to try some cases. They should be over in a a week, two weeks at
> the most. Courts, judges, lots of jails and guards, hard telling how
> many others are supported by the long draw out system.
> The lawyers get millions out of the trials.

We could eliminate all that, then we'd be like North Korea. How much of
that money do you think it comes down to per citizen of the US? My guess
is that it's not all that much, probably the cost of a good dinner.

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 7:06:36 PM UTC-5, Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 11/10/21 4:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 11/10/2021 3:34 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> I was an NRA member for year, left over two decades ago, when they
> >>> went too extremist for me. Took a couple more decades and Trump to
> >>> do the same with the Republican Party. The GOP it's not so much
> >>> extremism
> >>> as it is just being nuts with Covid and science deniers with global
> >>> warming.
> >>
> >> What is more extreme than people who want to ban guns altogether and
> >> that is a significant number of people in the DNC. They have publicly
> >> stated the plan is to keep chipping away at the 2d amendment until
> >> they are all gone.
> >> They use terms like "sensible gun control" but that is just to rope in
> >> people like Ed and Trader. That is not what people like Bloomberg
> >> really want.
> >>
> >
> > No, I'm actually pro 2nd Amendment and don't want to take legal guns
> > away. I do want gun owners to have some training. Most are responsible
> > but many are not.
> >
> > Only thing I see the NRA doing is obstructing the slightest change or
> > regulation. I don't see them trying to fix Chicago. Maybe you can tell
> > me how they are helping to eliminate shootings there.
> Ya' think all the shootings have anuything to do with the frightening
> percentage of out-of-wedlock child births, absent fathers, endless cycle
> of welfare, lack of accountability for one's decisions and actions, lack
> of discipline, permissiveness, a victimology mind set, excuse making,
> etc., etc.
>
> --
> I am not a product my circumstances, I am a product of my decisions

And that part is only getting worse. The black leaders are just about all
telling their people that it's all the white guy's fault, racism, nothing is there
own responsibility. That despite all the trillions in aid that we've handed out
since the 60s to try to help, all the affirmative action programs, etc.

On 11/10/2021 8:28 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <smhrqs$rgq$1@dont-email.me>, bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Of course, you will have no problem with shooting the drunk drivers,
>> people driving over 15 over the limit, people who run stop signs and red
>> lights.
>>
>> And then, there's the people who fail to get shots or wear masks and
>> give someone else covid. Shoot them twice.
>>
>>
>>
>
> No I don't think they should be shot. However maybe hang the ones that
> go over 100 mph and kill someone. I bet the foot ball player only gets
> a few years for killing some one while going over 100 mph if that much.
>
> There are minor violations and major ones.
>

And YOU get to decide which is which?