https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf

The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.

"As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "

However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.

"Drug Trends and Interdictions
In Fiscal Year (FY) 2022, CBP seized nearly 15,000 pounds of fentanyl, nearly 2,000 pounds of heroin, 175,000 pounds of methamphetamine, and more than 70,000 pounds of cocaine and we are on track to seize as much, if not more, this year.3 At our POEs alone, fentanyl seizures have
increased more than 200 percent in the last two fiscal years4 and, with the more than 10,000 pounds of fentanyl already seized to date in FY 2023, OFO is on track to surpass last fiscal year’s total seizures by the end of April.
....
As noted above, most illicit drugs, including fentanyl, enter the United States through our Southwest Border POEs: last fiscal year, nearly 66 percent of illicit drugs seized by CBP at the Southwest Border were seized at POEs..7 The drugs are concealed in privately owned vehicles, commercial vehicles, and even pedestrians. Although less frequent, fentanyl and other synthetic opioids are also encountered in international mail facility (IMF) and express consignment carrier (ECC) environments."

Judging from the above, no China originated fentanyl and precursors.

The OFO also targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries.

"OFO targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries. While many of the
precursor chemicals used to synthesize methamphetamines and synthetic illicit opioids such as fentanyl have legitimate uses, CBP has sufficient authority to intercept and seize precursors if they can be identified as having illicit end-use intentions, including the production of illicit drugs. "

I am sure the meaning of "shipped through the United States" Does the phrase also includes shipped from the US?

Questions:
How much fentanyl and fentanyl precursors had been shipped through the US? How much was identified as having illicit end-use? And of course, from where?

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf
>
> The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.
>
> "As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "
>
> However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.

Just the precursors come from China.

> "Drug Trends and Interdictions
> In Fiscal Year (FY) 2022, CBP seized nearly 15,000 pounds of fentanyl, nearly 2,000 pounds of heroin, 175,000 pounds of methamphetamine, and more than 70,000 pounds of cocaine and we are on track to seize as much, if not more, this year.3 At our POEs alone, fentanyl seizures have
> increased more than 200 percent in the last two fiscal years4 and, with the more than 10,000 pounds of fentanyl already seized to date in FY 2023, OFO is on track to surpass last fiscal year’s total seizures by the end of April.
> ...
> As noted above, most illicit drugs, including fentanyl, enter the United States through our Southwest Border POEs: last fiscal year, nearly 66 percent of illicit drugs seized by CBP at the Southwest Border were seized at POEs.7 The drugs are concealed in privately owned vehicles, commercial vehicles, and even pedestrians. Although less frequent, fentanyl and other synthetic opioids are also encountered in international mail facility (IMF) and express consignment carrier (ECC) environments."
>
> Judging from the above, no China originated fentanyl and precursors.
>
> The OFO also targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries.
>
> "OFO targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries. While many of the
> precursor chemicals used to synthesize methamphetamines and synthetic illicit opioids such as fentanyl have legitimate uses, CBP has sufficient authority to intercept and seize precursors if they can be identified as having illicit end-use intentions, including the production of illicit drugs. "
>
> I am sure the meaning of "shipped through the United States" Does the phrase also includes shipped from the US?
>
> Questions:
> How much fentanyl and fentanyl precursors had been shipped through the US? How much was identified as having illicit end-use? And of course, from where?

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:47:06 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf
> >
> > The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.
> >
> > "As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "
> >
> > However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.
> Just the precursors come from China.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-fentanyl-trafficking-precursor-importation-and-money-laundering

> > "Drug Trends and Interdictions
> > In Fiscal Year (FY) 2022, CBP seized nearly 15,000 pounds of fentanyl, nearly 2,000 pounds of heroin, 175,000 pounds of methamphetamine, and more than 70,000 pounds of cocaine and we are on track to seize as much, if not more, this year.3 At our POEs alone, fentanyl seizures have
> > increased more than 200 percent in the last two fiscal years4 and, with the more than 10,000 pounds of fentanyl already seized to date in FY 2023, OFO is on track to surpass last fiscal year’s total seizures by the end of April.
> > ...
> > As noted above, most illicit drugs, including fentanyl, enter the United States through our Southwest Border POEs: last fiscal year, nearly 66 percent of illicit drugs seized by CBP at the Southwest Border were seized at POEs.7 The drugs are concealed in privately owned vehicles, commercial vehicles, and even pedestrians. Although less frequent, fentanyl and other synthetic opioids are also encountered in international mail facility (IMF) and express consignment carrier (ECC) environments."
> >
> > Judging from the above, no China originated fentanyl and precursors.
> >
> > The OFO also targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries.
> >
> > "OFO targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries. While many of the
> > precursor chemicals used to synthesize methamphetamines and synthetic illicit opioids such as fentanyl have legitimate uses, CBP has sufficient authority to intercept and seize precursors if they can be identified as having illicit end-use intentions, including the production of illicit drugs. "
> >
> > I am sure the meaning of "shipped through the United States" Does the phrase also includes shipped from the US?
> >
> > Questions:
> > How much fentanyl and fentanyl precursors had been shipped through the US? How much was identified as having illicit end-use? And of course, from where?

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:47:06 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf
> >
> > The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.
> >
> > "As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "
> >
> > However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.
> Just the precursors come from China.

No illicit precursors had been seized according to the OFO report.

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:49:13 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:47:06 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf
> > >
> > > The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.
> > >
> > > "As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "
> > >
> > > However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.
> > Just the precursors come from China.
> https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-fentanyl-trafficking-precursor-importation-and-money-laundering

An indictment certainly indicates a desire to prosecute. Not necessarily means sufficient evidence.
The indictment would be more meaningful if illicit precursor chemical was also sized.

> > > "Drug Trends and Interdictions
> > > In Fiscal Year (FY) 2022, CBP seized nearly 15,000 pounds of fentanyl, nearly 2,000 pounds of heroin, 175,000 pounds of methamphetamine, and more than 70,000 pounds of cocaine and we are on track to seize as much, if not more, this year.3 At our POEs alone, fentanyl seizures have
> > > increased more than 200 percent in the last two fiscal years4 and, with the more than 10,000 pounds of fentanyl already seized to date in FY 2023, OFO is on track to surpass last fiscal year’s total seizures by the end of April.
> > > ...
> > > As noted above, most illicit drugs, including fentanyl, enter the United States through our Southwest Border POEs: last fiscal year, nearly 66 percent of illicit drugs seized by CBP at the Southwest Border were seized at POEs.7 The drugs are concealed in privately owned vehicles, commercial vehicles, and even pedestrians. Although less frequent, fentanyl and other synthetic opioids are also encountered in international mail facility (IMF) and express consignment carrier (ECC) environments."
> > >
> > > Judging from the above, no China originated fentanyl and precursors.
> > >
> > > The OFO also targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries.
> > >
> > > "OFO targets precursor chemicals shipped through the United States to destinations in Mexico and other countries. While many of the
> > > precursor chemicals used to synthesize methamphetamines and synthetic illicit opioids such as fentanyl have legitimate uses, CBP has sufficient authority to intercept and seize precursors if they can be identified as having illicit end-use intentions, including the production of illicit drugs. "
> > >
> > > I am sure the meaning of "shipped through the United States" Does the phrase also includes shipped from the US?
> > >
> > > Questions:
> > > How much fentanyl and fentanyl precursors had been shipped through the US? How much was identified as having illicit end-use? And of course, from where?

On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:48:32 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:47:06 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf
> > >
> > > The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.
> > >
> > > "As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "
> > >
> > > However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.
> > Just the precursors come from China.
> No illicit precursors had been seized according to the OFO report.

Where does it say that?

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:03:01 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:13:29 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:49:13 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:47:06 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.
> > > > > Just the precursors come from China.
> > > > https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-fentanyl-trafficking-precursor-importation-and-money-laundering
> > > AMARVEL BIOTECH has openly advertised online its shipment of fentanyl precursor chemicals to the United States and to Mexico, where drug cartels operate clandestine laboratories, synthesize finished fentanyl at scale, and distribute the deadly fentanyl into and throughout the United States. Through its website and a host of other storefront sites, AMARVEL BIOTECH has targeted precursor chemical customers in Mexico, including by advertising fentanyl precursors as a “Mexico hot sale”; guaranteeing “100% stealth shipping” abroad; and posting to its websites documentation of AMARVEL BIOTECH shipping chemicals to Culiacan, the home city of the Sinaloa Cartel, one of the dominant drug trafficking organizations in the Western Hemisphere and which is largely responsible for the massive influx of fentanyl into the United States in recent years.
> > Only claims. Nothing proven.
> The obvious implication is that Chinese companies are trying to make money, money, money and they don't care who dies.
>
> > Again, ZERO physical evidence.
>
> We don't know what evidence will be presented at the trials. Do you?

If there is anything substantial, the media would certainly repeat the information Ad nauseam.
If the prosecution really want to have a case beyond signaling, it would certainly wait for solid
evidence rather than touting on information glance from possibly phishing email/website.

> > As is, I cannot tell whether Prosecutor wants to make a political statement or it really wants to solve US addiction problems.

> It's like the reverse of the Opium Wars. Let's hope the PRC government helps out.
What reverse Opium Wars? So far, zero evidence that the PRC had export Fentanyl in quantity.

Again, CBP seized nearly 15,000 pounds of fentanyl, yet zero fentanyl and precursors from China.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:42:30 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:03:01 PM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:34:10 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:13:29 AM UTC-4, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:49:13 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 12:47:06 PM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CBP-Testimony-Sabatino_TCOs-Fentanyl_03082022_Final.pdf
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The OFO (Office of Field Operations) blames China for exporting fentanyl precursor.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "As others have testified,1 synthetic opioids like fentanyl and its analogues are produced using precursor chemicals made available by criminal elements, often in the People’s Republic of China, that are shipped to Mexico where TCOs use these precursors to finish the production of illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues. "
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, the report contains no evidence on China exporting illicit fentanyl or one of its analogues.
> > > > > > Just the precursors come from China.
> > > > > https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-fentanyl-trafficking-precursor-importation-and-money-laundering
> > > > AMARVEL BIOTECH has openly advertised online its shipment of fentanyl precursor chemicals to the United States and to Mexico, where drug cartels operate clandestine laboratories, synthesize finished fentanyl at scale, and distribute the deadly fentanyl into and throughout the United States. Through its website and a host of other storefront sites, AMARVEL BIOTECH has targeted precursor chemical customers in Mexico, including by advertising fentanyl precursors as a “Mexico hot sale”; guaranteeing “100% stealth shipping” abroad; and posting to its websites documentation of AMARVEL BIOTECH shipping chemicals to Culiacan, the home city of the Sinaloa Cartel, one of the dominant drug trafficking organizations in the Western Hemisphere and which is largely responsible for the massive influx of fentanyl into the United States in recent years.
> > > Only claims. Nothing proven.
> > The obvious implication is that Chinese companies are trying to make money, money, money and they don't care who dies.
> >
> > > Again, ZERO physical evidence.
> >
> > We don't know what evidence will be presented at the trials. Do you?
> If there is anything substantial, the media would certainly repeat the information Ad nauseam.
> If the prosecution really want to have a case beyond signaling, it would certainly wait for solid
> evidence rather than touting on information glance from possibly phishing email/website.

Why "Certainly"? What is the possible phishing site? US government? Please elaborate.

> > > As is, I cannot tell whether Prosecutor wants to make a political statement or it really wants to solve US addiction problems.
>
> > It's like the reverse of the Opium Wars. Let's hope the PRC government helps out.
> What reverse Opium Wars? So far, zero evidence that the PRC had export Fentanyl in quantity.
>
> Again, CBP seized nearly 15,000 pounds of fentanyl, yet zero fentanyl and precursors from China.