In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
pronounced the word "species".

Some of you guys now may be able to watch Episode 9 of
the second season of "Star Trek: Picard" to hear how the
character Dr. Jurati pronounces "Millions of species".

30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
scribeva:

> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
> pronounced the word "species".

Spee-sheez.

> Some of you guys now may be able to watch Episode 9 of
> the second season of "Star Trek: Picard" to hear how the
> character Dr. Jurati pronounces "Millions of species".
>

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com> writes:
>30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>scribeva:
>>In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>pronounced the word "species".
>Spee-sheez.
>>Some of you guys now may be able to watch Episode 9 of
>>the second season of "Star Trek: Picard" to hear how the
>>character Dr. Jurati pronounces "Millions of species".

In the range approximately between minute 6 and 9,
Dr. Jurati pronounces "Millions of species" with

[ ˈspiʃ i əs ]

as far as I can transcribe it. (Don't trust me too much to
do transcription right because I never received training in
this.) One dictionary describes the pronunciation (for the
plural) as

[ ˈspiːʃ iːz, ˈspiːs-, -ɪz, -iːz ]

. The dictionary has two syllables whereas Dr. Jurati uses
three.

, the comma separates alternative pronunciations
- gives alternative pronunciation of a part of a word

On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
> scribeva:
>
>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>> pronounced the word "species".
>
> Spee-sheez.

I must have missed that thread.
I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.

It has reminded me that it's been at least 10 or 15 years since I read
or heard 'specie", to refer to a single species.

IIRC, the last time was when I read if in a book about Orchids.

>> Some of you guys now may be able to watch Episode 9 of
>> the second season of "Star Trek: Picard" to hear how the
>> character Dr. Jurati pronounces "Millions of species".

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>In the range approximately between minute 6 and 9,
>Dr. Jurati pronounces "Millions of species" with
>[ ˈspiʃ i əs ]

With length marks:

[ ˈspiːʃ i əs ].

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>> scribeva:
>>
>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>
>> Spee-sheez.
>
>I must have missed that thread.
>I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.

Then you've never heard me say it.

On 2022-04-30 19:43, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>> scribeva:
>>>
>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>>
>>> Spee-sheez.
>>
>> I must have missed that thread.
>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>
> Then you've never heard me say it.

Absolutely true.
I have heard you say it the same number of times I have heard you say
any word at all.

Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:

>On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>> scribeva:
>>
>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>
>> Spee-sheez.
>
>I must have missed that thread.
>I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.

Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
And the only possibility in British English:
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On 2022-05-01 07:31:03 +0000, Ruud Harmsen said:

> Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
>
>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>> scribeva:
>>>
>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>>
>>> Spee-sheez.
>>
>> I must have missed that thread.
>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>
> Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
> And the only possibility in British English:
> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species

With all due respect to Collins, that's nonsense. Both occur in British
English.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On 4/30/2022 1:42 PM, lar3ryca wrote:
> Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) scribeva:

>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein it
>>> was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves" pronounced the
>>> word "species".

>> Spee-sheez.

> I must have missed that thread. I have naver pronounced it any way
> other that 'spee-seez', and if I have ever heard it pronounced "spee
> she's", it has slipped past my notice.

I say "speeshees" [spiSiz] too, because I assimilate the "i" into the
palatalisation of the consonant. I could say "speesi-es", but I don't.
In Latin it was a three-syllable word.

> It has reminded me that it's been at least 10 or 15 years since I
> read or heard 'specie", to refer to a single species.

And that was wrongity-wrong. "Species" is both the singular form and
the plural form. Unlike bicepses.

> IIRC, the last time was when I read if in a book about Orchids.

>>> Some of you guys now may be able to watch Episode 9 of the second
>>> season of "Star Trek: Picard" to hear how the character Dr.
>>> Jurati pronounces "Millions of species".

Yabbut, she was subjected to a Vulcan mind-meld (fide WP).

On 2022-05-01 01:31, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
>
>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>> scribeva:
>>>
>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>>
>>> Spee-sheez.
>>
>> I must have missed that thread.
>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>
> Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
> And the only possibility in British English:
> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species

Regardless, the first time I have heard (or noticed) the "spee she's"
pronunciation was just now, when I used Google Translate to speak
'species' to me.

On 2022-05-01 06:30, CDB wrote:
> On 4/30/2022 1:42 PM, lar3ryca wrote:
>> Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) scribeva:
>
>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein it
>>>> was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves" pronounced the
>>>> word "species".
>
>>> Spee-sheez.
>
>> I must have missed that thread. I have naver pronounced it any way
>> other that 'spee-seez', and if I have ever heard it pronounced "spee
>> she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>
> I say "speeshees" [spiSiz] too, because I assimilate the "i" into the
> palatalisation of the consonant.  I could say "speesi-es", but I don't.
>  In Latin it was a three-syllable word.
>
>> It has reminded me that it's been at least 10 or 15 years since I
>> read or heard 'specie", to refer to a single species.
>
> And that was wrongity-wrong.  "Species" is both the singular form and
> the plural form.  Unlike bicepses.

Of course it was.

>> IIRC, the last time was when I read if in a book about Orchids.

Hmm... I see I am wrong about when I read the orchid book.

On Apr 26, 1998, 1:00:00 AM, in AuE, I wrote:
Karin Montin wrote:
>
> I had an anthropology professor who used to talk about the human
> specie (and he didn't mean currency). I wonder where that s landed up.

In the late 60s, I read a book about growing and propogating orchids.
In it, the word 'specie' was used extensively. After I had read about
half the book, I was so annoyed by the error that I went back to the
beginning and inserted the missing 's' in every instance.

I pointed it out to the librarian when I took the book back. She was
somewhat taken aback, and I always wondered if she was considering
charging me for damage to the book.

>>>> Some of you guys now may be able to watch Episode 9 of the second
>>>> season of "Star Trek: Picard" to hear how the character Dr.
>>>> Jurati pronounces "Millions of species".
>
> Yabbut, she was subjected to a Vulcan mind-meld (fide WP).

* lar3ryca:

> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>> scribeva:
>>
>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>
>> Spee-sheez.
>
> I must have missed that thread.
> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.

This is an exceptional case in that the "she" pronounciation isn't
strictly left-pondian (as in e.g. Tunisia). Rather the opposite, the
"see" one is unusual in the UK, if I can trust the dictionaries.

> It has reminded me that it's been at least 10 or 15 years since I read
> or heard 'specie", to refer to a single species.

| Back-formation from species (plural), the final “s” being
| misinterpreted as a plural ending.
| [...]
| Although in wide use, this is universally considered by prescriptive
| references to be an error.

(Wiktionary)

--
Manche Dinge sind vorgeschrieben, weil man sie braucht, andere
braucht man nur, weil sie vorgeschrieben sind.
-- Helmut Richter in de.etc.sprache.deutsch

On Sun, 1 May 2022 07:42:29 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-01 01:31, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
>>
>>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>>> scribeva:
>>>>
>>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>>>
>>>> Spee-sheez.
>>>
>>> I must have missed that thread.
>>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>>
>> Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
>> And the only possibility in British English:
>> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species
>
>Regardless, the first time I have heard (or noticed) the "spee she's"
>pronunciation was just now, when I used Google Translate to speak
>'species' to me.

Do you say SPESS-ee-ul or SPESH-ul?

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:30:15 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 4/30/2022 1:42 PM, lar3ryca wrote:
> > Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) scribeva:

> >>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein it
> >>> was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves" pronounced the
> >>> word "species".
> >> Spee-sheez.
> > I must have missed that thread. I have naver pronounced it any way
> > other that 'spee-seez', and if I have ever heard it pronounced "spee
> > she's", it has slipped past my notice.

(He wasn't here in 2014. It missed him.)

> I say "speeshees" [spiSiz] too, because I assimilate the "i" into the
> palatalisation of the consonant. I could say "speesi-es", but I don't.
> In Latin it was a three-syllable word.

Well ... /'spe.ki.es/ probably ['spE.ki.es].

> > It has reminded me that it's been at least 10 or 15 years since I
> > read or heard 'specie", to refer to a single species.
>
> And that was wrongity-wrong. "Species" is both the singular form and
> the plural form. Unlike bicepses.

Specie is money in the form of coin rather than notes.

> > IIRC, the last time was when I read if in a book about Orchids.

How sad.

On 01-May-22 15:07, lar3ryca wrote:
>
> In the late 60s, I read a book about growing and propogating orchids.
> In it, the word 'specie' was used extensively. After I had read about
> half the book, I was so annoyed by the error that I went back to the
> beginning and inserted the missing 's' in every instance.
>
> I pointed it out to the librarian when I took the book back. She was
> somewhat taken aback, and I always wondered if she was considering
> charging me for damage to the book.

Thinking about it, I would say that you did indeed 'damage' the book.

It may have been an error, and even an egregious error, but a library
customer/user should not be afforded editorial powers.

If I read a history text, and thought the description of Wolfe's role in
the Battle of the Plains of Abraham was badly done, I would be wrong to
change it.

In fact, filling in all the letter "o"s would have been more at my level.

(No. I never did this to a library book.)

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes:
>(No. I never did this to a library book.)

I once had to pay a library the price for a new copy of a
book. It was sullied by blood from a piece of beef liver
I bought and carried in the same bag with the book.
"The Atiyah-Singer Index Theorem", way above my head too!

On Sun, 01 May 2022 09:30:17 -0700
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 1 May 2022 07:42:29 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
> >On 2022-05-01 01:31, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >> Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
> >>
> >>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> >>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
> >>>> scribeva:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
> >>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
> >>>>> pronounced the word "species".
> >>>>
> >>>> Spee-sheez.
> >>>
> >>> I must have missed that thread.
> >>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
> >>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
> >>
> >> Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
> >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
> >> And the only possibility in British English:
> >> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species
> >
> >Regardless, the first time I have heard (or noticed) the "spee she's"
> >pronunciation was just now, when I used Google Translate to speak
> >'species' to me.
>
>
> Do you say SPESS-ee-ul or SPESH-ul?

Spashal separation?

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 2022-05-01 10:30, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 1 May 2022 07:42:29 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-01 01:31, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>>>> scribeva:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>>>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>>>>
>>>>> Spee-sheez.
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed that thread.
>>>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>>>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>>>
>>> Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
>>> And the only possibility in British English:
>>> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species
>>
>> Regardless, the first time I have heard (or noticed) the "spee she's"
>> pronunciation was just now, when I used Google Translate to speak
>> 'species' to me.
>
>
> Do you say SPESS-ee-ul or SPESH-ul?

SPESH-ul.

I see what you're trying to say, but just because one 'ci' has a 'sh'
sound, others don't have to have it.

Society, captaincies, bouncier, aristocracies, autocracies, and fancier,
to name a few.

On 2022-05-01 12:02, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 01-May-22 15:07, lar3ryca wrote:
>>
>> In the late 60s, I read a book about growing and propogating orchids.
>> In it, the word 'specie' was used extensively. After I had read about
>> half the book, I was so annoyed by the error that I went back to the
>> beginning and inserted the missing 's' in every instance.
>>
>> I pointed it out to the librarian when I took the book back. She was
>> somewhat taken aback, and I always wondered if she was considering
>> charging me for damage to the book.
>
> Thinking about it, I would say that you did indeed 'damage' the book.

I agree, and while I hoped that they would not charge me for the book, I
was perfectly willing to buy it, had they done so. But my feeling about
the error being either not recognized or explicitly made by the
publisher was sufficient to make me protest in that way.

> It may have been an error, and even an egregious error, but a library
> customer/user should not be afforded editorial powers.

> If I read a history text, and thought the description of Wolfe's role in
> the Battle of the Plains of Abraham was badly done, I would be wrong to
> change it.

I agree, but that is changing an opinion, not correcting a grammatical
or spelling error which in my opinion are two entirely different things.

> In fact, filling in all the letter "o"s would have been more at my level.
>
> (No.  I never did this to a library book.)

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:30:15 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:

>> I say "speeshees" [spiSiz] too, because I assimilate the "i" into the
>> palatalisation of the consonant. I could say "speesi-es", but I don't.
>> In Latin it was a three-syllable word.
>
> Well ... /'spe.ki.es/ probably ['spE.ki.es].

The syllable structure is preserved in German, but going off a later
state of Latin for the c: [Spe:.tsi.j@s], also [spe:.tsi.j@s] or
[spe:tsi.e:s] if wanting to sound more Latin/academic.

--
I'll call you the next time I pass through your star system.
-- Commander William T. Riker

On 2022-05-01 12:02, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 01-May-22 15:07, lar3ryca wrote:
>>
>> In the late 60s, I read a book about growing and propogating orchids.
>> In it, the word 'specie' was used extensively. After I had read about
>> half the book, I was so annoyed by the error that I went back to the
>> beginning and inserted the missing 's' in every instance.
>>
>> I pointed it out to the librarian when I took the book back. She was
>> somewhat taken aback, and I always wondered if she was considering
>> charging me for damage to the book.
>
> Thinking about it, I would say that you did indeed 'damage' the book.
>
> It may have been an error, and even an egregious error, but a library
> customer/user should not be afforded editorial powers.
>
> If I read a history text, and thought the description of Wolfe's role in
> the Battle of the Plains of Abraham was badly done, I would be wrong to
> change it.
>
> In fact, filling in all the letter "o"s would have been more at my level.
>
> (No.  I never did this to a library book.)

I looked for this old email , and, surprisingly, found it. Had I access
to the internet in the late 60s, I probably would have contacted the
author and/or publisher about the error, much like the error I spotted
in a David Brin story. Email follows:

----------
Hey David,
I recently started reading some of your work, and am thoroughly enjoying it.

I am currently reading "The Practice Effect", and noticed a tiny nit to
pick.

"Dennis stepped over the airlock's combing."
Should have been:
"Dennis stepped over the airlock's coaming."

Not a big one, and I was wondering if you wrote it that way or if some
proofreader clobbered it for you.

Regards,Larry

----------
He responded:

Larry,
Thank you for your thoughtful message. It truly is gratifying encouragement.

A very slight oucher... but I like nit pickers! ;-)

I'll slip it into my "fix someday" folder.
Meanwhile I hope you keep enjoying!

Sun, 01 May 2022 09:30:17 -0700: Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
scribeva:

>On Sun, 1 May 2022 07:42:29 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-05-01 01:31, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>>>> scribeva:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>>>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>>>>
>>>>> Spee-sheez.
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed that thread.
>>>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>>>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>>>
>>> Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
>>> And the only possibility in British English:
>>> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species
>>
>>Regardless, the first time I have heard (or noticed) the "spee she's"
>>pronunciation was just now, when I used Google Translate to speak
>>'species' to me.
>
>Do you say SPESS-ee-ul or SPESH-ul?

Remember Peter T. Daniels' verdict: sure doesn't have a /s/ in it.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

>> On Sun, 1 May 2022 07:42:29 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>> Regardless, the first time I have heard (or noticed) the "spee she's"
>>> pronunciation was just now, when I used Google Translate to speak
>>> 'species' to me.

>On 2022-05-01 10:30, Ken Blake wrote:
>> Do you say SPESS-ee-ul or SPESH-ul?

Sun, 1 May 2022 15:59:12 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
>SPESH-ul.
>
>I see what you're trying to say, but just because one 'ci' has a 'sh'
>sound, others don't have to have it.
>
>Society,

Not a good example, an <i> spelling, but not an /I/ sound.

>captaincies, bouncier, aristocracies, autocracies, and fancier,
>to name a few.

Good examples.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On Sun, 1 May 2022, at 09:30:17, Ken Blake posted:
>On Sun, 1 May 2022 07:42:29 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-05-01 01:31, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>> Sat, 30 Apr 2022 11:42:53 -0600: lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> scribeva:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-04-30 10:56, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>>>>> 30 Apr 2022 15:32:36 GMT: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>>>> scribeva:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2014, as you guys know, this thread was started, wherein
>>>>>> it was reported that, in a TV show, a "Simon Reeves"
>>>>>> pronounced the word "species".
>>>>>
>>>>> Spee-sheez.
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed that thread.
>>>> I have naver pronounced it any way other that 'spee-seez', and if I have
>>>> ever heard it pronounced "spee she's", it has slipped past my notice.
>>>
>>> Both occur, says Merriam-Webster:
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/species
>>> And the only possibility in British English:
>>> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/species
>>
>>Regardless, the first time I have heard (or noticed) the "spee she's"
>>pronunciation was just now, when I used Google Translate to speak
>>'species' to me.
>
>
>Do you say SPESS-ee-ul or SPESH-ul?

Closer to home, how do you pronounce "specious"? - a word whose earlier
meaning (pleasing to the sight) seems now to have been completely lost
in favour of false or deceptive.
--
Paul