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 by: hongy...@gmail.com - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 00:35 UTC

I see the following description in the monograph "Computer Algebra and Materials Physics" [1]:

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The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and the computer algebra is not novel one; rather being regarded as the modernization of the union of the quantum dynamics and the group theory, the success of which was brilliantly displayed in the former half of last century.
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Is the wording "rather being regarded as" used above correct?

[1] https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-94226-1

Regards,
HZ

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 by: Snidely - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:35 UTC

hongy...@gmail.com suggested that ...
> I see the following description in the monograph "Computer Algebra and
> Materials Physics" [1]:
>
> ```
> The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and the computer
> algebra is not novel one; rather being regarded as the modernization of the
> union of the quantum dynamics and the group theory, the success of which was
> brilliantly displayed in the former half of last century. ```
>
> Is the wording "rather being regarded as" used above correct?
>
> [1] https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-94226-1
>
> Regards,
> HZ

Yes. This usage is equivalent to "instead being regarded as".

/dps "this rather isn't very"

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 by: Peter Moylan - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:52 UTC

> hongy...@gmail.com suggested that ...
>> I see the following description in the monograph "Computer Algebra and
>> Materials Physics" [1]:
>>
>> ```
>> The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and the
>> computer algebra is not novel one; rather being regarded as the
>> modernization of the union of the quantum dynamics and the group
>> theory, the success of which was brilliantly displayed in the former
>> half of last century. ```

This is obviously written by someone whose native language does not have
articles.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: hongy...@gmail.com - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:59 UTC

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:52:40 PM UTC+8, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > hongy...@gmail.com suggested that ...
> >> I see the following description in the monograph "Computer Algebra and
> >> Materials Physics" [1]:
> >>
> >> ```
> >> The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and the
> >> computer algebra is not novel one; rather being regarded as the
> >> modernization of the union of the quantum dynamics and the group
> >> theory, the success of which was brilliantly displayed in the former
> >> half of last century. ```
> This is obviously written by someone whose native language does not have
> articles.

The author is a Japanese scientist. What's your advice of wording?

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 by: CDB - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:24 UTC

On 4/20/2022 8:35 PM, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:

> I see the following description in the monograph "Computer Algebra
> and Materials Physics" [1]:

> ``` The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and
> the computer algebra is not novel one; rather being regarded as the
> modernization of the union of the quantum dynamics and the group
> theory, the success of which was brilliantly displayed in the former
> half of last century. ```

> Is the wording "rather being regarded as" used above correct?

> [1] https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-94226-1

Not incorrect, but the sentence could use some improvement.

"The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and the
computer algebra is not [a] novel one: it is regarded, rather, as the
modernization of the union of [] quantum dynamics and [] group theory,
the success of which was brilliantly displayed in the [first] half of
the [Twentieth C]entury."

Those changes were made on formal grounds; I invite someone who knows
what the sentence means to correct them.

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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:18 UTC

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 22:59:34 -0700 (PDT), "hongy...@gmail.com"
<hongyi.zhao@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:52:40 PM UTC+8, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> > hongy...@gmail.com suggested that ...
>> >> I see the following description in the monograph "Computer Algebra and
>> >> Materials Physics" [1]:
>> >>
>> >> ```
>> >> The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and the
>> >> computer algebra is not novel one; rather being regarded as the
>> >> modernization of the union of the quantum dynamics and the group
>> >> theory, the success of which was brilliantly displayed in the former
>> >> half of last century. ```
>> This is obviously written by someone whose native language does not have
>> articles.
>
>The author is a Japanese scientist. What's your advice of wording?

Peter's point is presumably that it should be "a novel one."

Three other points:

"Collaboration is a strange word to use there. "Collaboration normally
refers to people,.

What follows the semi-colon needs to be a complete sentence. It's not.
The verb is missing. Better would be "rather it is regarded...

Such long sentences should almost always be avoided. It's much better
to split it into several sentences.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:24 UTC

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 8:35:11 PM UTC-4, hongy...@gmail.com wrote:

> I see the following description in the monograph "Computer Algebra and Materials Physics" [1]:
>
> ```
> The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation and the computer algebra is not novel one; rather being regarded as the modernization of the union of the quantum dynamics and the group theory, the success of which was brilliantly displayed in the former half of last century.
> ```
>
> Is the wording "rather being regarded as" used above correct?

That may be the only piece of that sentence that _isn't_ badly problematic.

> [1] https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-94226-1

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 by: Peter Moylan - Fri, 22 Apr 2022 00:38 UTC

On 22/04/22 01:18, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 22:59:34 -0700 (PDT), "hongy...@gmail.com"
> <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 1:52:40 PM UTC+8, Peter Moylan
>> wrote:
>>>> hongy...@gmail.com suggested that ...
>>>>> I see the following description in the monograph "Computer
>>>>> Algebra and Materials Physics" [1]:
>>>>>
>>>>> ``` The collaboration of the electronic structure calculation
>>>>> and the computer algebra is not novel one; rather being
>>>>> regarded as the modernization of the union of the quantum
>>>>> dynamics and the group theory, the success of which was
>>>>> brilliantly displayed in the former half of last century.
>>>>> ```
>>> This is obviously written by someone whose native language does
>>> not have articles.
>>
>> The author is a Japanese scientist. What's your advice of wording?
>
> Peter's point is presumably that it should be "a novel one."

Also, "the union of quantum dynamics and group theory" should have only
one "the".

Possibly a couple of "the"s should also be removed from the first
clause, but I'm not sure about that because I don't know what is meant
by "collaboration" in this context.

> Three other points:
>
> "Collaboration is a strange word to use there. "Collaboration
> normally refers to people,.

I thought at first that "correlation" was meant, but maybe not.
"Combination"?

> What follows the semi-colon needs to be a complete sentence. It's
> not. The verb is missing. Better would be "rather it is regarded...
>
> Such long sentences should almost always be avoided. It's much
> better to split it into several sentences.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org


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