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* much disturbedarthurvv vart
`* Re: much disturbedlar3ryca
 +* Re: much disturbedbruce bowser
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 | |`- Re: much disturbedKen Blake
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1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received.
2) Tom was very much disturbed by the news he received.

Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number of times by the news he received?

Could they mean:

3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news he received.

or do they only mean

4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he received.

I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news or if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in rapid succession. Basically, we have one occasion.

Is that correct?

Gratefully,
Navi

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 05:15 UTC

On 2022-04-16 22:54, arthurvv vart wrote:
> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received.
> 2) Tom was very much disturbed by the news he received.
>
> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number of times by the news he received?

No.

> Could they mean:
>
> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news he received.

No.

> or do they only mean
>
> 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he received.

Yes.

> I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news or if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in rapid succession. Basically, we have one occasion.
>
> Is that correct?

Yes.

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On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 1:15:10 AM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-04-16 22:54, arthurvv vart wrote:
> > 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received.
> > 2) Tom was very much disturbed by the news he received.
> >
> > Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number of times by the news he received?
> No.

Sure, they could.

> > Could they mean:
> >
> > 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news he received.
> No.

Sure, they could.

> > or do they only mean
> >
> > 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he received.
> Yes.

Agreed.

> > I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news or if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in rapid succession. Basically, we have one occasion.
> >
> > Is that correct?
> Yes.

No. Remember physics class. Time is not a quantity.

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 by: CDB - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:21 UTC

On 4/17/2022 4:15 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> lar3ryca wrote:
>> arthurvv vart wrote:

>>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom was
>>> very much disturbed by the news he received.

>>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number
>>> of times by the news he received?
>> No.

> Sure, they could.

Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
"mean" them.

>>> Could they mean:

>>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news
>>> he received.
>> No.

> Sure, they could.

See above.

>>> or do they only mean

>>> 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he received.
>> Yes.

> Agreed.

>>> I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news or
>>> if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in rapid
>>> succession. Basically, we have one occasion.

>>> Is that correct?
>> Yes.

> No. Remember physics class. Time is not a quantity.

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 by: arthurvv vart - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:02 UTC

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
> On 4/17/2022 4:15 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > lar3ryca wrote:
> >> arthurvv vart wrote:
>
> >>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom was
> >>> very much disturbed by the news he received.
>
> >>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number
> >>> of times by the news he received?
> >> No.
>
> > Sure, they could.
> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
> "mean" them.
> >>> Could they mean:
>
> >>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news
> >>> he received.
> >> No.
>
> > Sure, they could.
> See above.
> >>> or do they only mean
>
> >>> 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he received.
> >> Yes.
>
> > Agreed.
>
> >>> I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news or
> >>> if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in rapid
> >>> succession. Basically, we have one occasion.
>
> >>> Is that correct?
> >> Yes.
>
> > No. Remember physics class. Time is not a quantity.

Thank you all very much,

I think I am getting three different replies here. That is fine. Language sometimes works in strange ways.

The question is whether the sentence could only indicate the intensity of the emotion, or could also mean something different and refer to the number of occasions.

When you say
Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't "mean" them.

Do you mean that 'much' could mean 'on a great number of occasions', or that it could indicate that the cumulative effect of news received on a number of occasions was great?

Gratefully,
Navi

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 by: CDB - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:53 UTC

On 4/17/2022 9:02 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>> lar3ryca wrote:
>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:

>>>>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom
>>>>> was very much disturbed by the news he received.

>>>>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great
>>>>> number of times by the news he received?
>>>> No.

>>> Sure, they could.
>> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
>> "mean" them.
>>>>> Could they mean:

>>>>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the
>>>>> news he received.
>>>> No.

>>> Sure, they could.
>> See above.
>>>>> or do they only mean

>>>>> 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he
>>>>> received.
>>>> Yes.

>>> Agreed.

>>>>> I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news
>>>>> or if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in
>>>>> rapid succession. Basically, we have one occasion.

>>>>> Is that correct?
>>>> Yes.

>>> No. Remember physics class. Time is not a quantity.

> Thank you all very much,

> I think I am getting three different replies here. That is fine.
> Language sometimes works in strange ways.

> The question is whether the sentence could only indicate the
> intensity of the emotion, or could also mean something different and
> refer to the number of occasions.

> When you say Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but
> they don't "mean" them.

> Do you mean that 'much' could mean 'on a great number of occasions',
> or that it could indicate that the cumulative effect of news received
> on a number of occasions was great?

I take "much" in that phrase to mean "strongly", but there is nothing in
the phrase as a whole that rules out more than one news-item.

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 by: arthurvv vart - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 14:11 UTC

On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 6:53:41 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
> On 4/17/2022 9:02 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
> > CDB wrote:
> >> bruce bowser wrote:
> >>> lar3ryca wrote:
> >>>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>
> >>>>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom
> >>>>> was very much disturbed by the news he received.
>
> >>>>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great
> >>>>> number of times by the news he received?
> >>>> No.
>
> >>> Sure, they could.
> >> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
> >> "mean" them.
> >>>>> Could they mean:
>
> >>>>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the
> >>>>> news he received.
> >>>> No.
>
> >>> Sure, they could.
> >> See above.
> >>>>> or do they only mean
>
> >>>>> 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he
> >>>>> received.
> >>>> Yes.
>
> >>> Agreed.
>
> >>>>> I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news
> >>>>> or if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in
> >>>>> rapid succession. Basically, we have one occasion.
>
> >>>>> Is that correct?
> >>>> Yes.
>
> >>> No. Remember physics class. Time is not a quantity.
>
> > Thank you all very much,
>
> > I think I am getting three different replies here. That is fine.
> > Language sometimes works in strange ways.
>
> > The question is whether the sentence could only indicate the
> > intensity of the emotion, or could also mean something different and
> > refer to the number of occasions.
>
> > When you say Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but
> > they don't "mean" them.
>
> > Do you mean that 'much' could mean 'on a great number of occasions',
> > or that it could indicate that the cumulative effect of news received
> > on a number of occasions was great?
> I take "much" in that phrase to mean "strongly", but there is nothing in
> the phrase as a whole that rules out more than one news-item.

Thank you very much, CDB,
I really appreciate this.

Respectfully,
Navi

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:42 UTC

On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:15:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-04-16 22:54, arthurvv vart wrote:
>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received.
>> 2) Tom was very much disturbed by the news he received.
>>
>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number of times by the news he received?
>
>No.
>
>> Could they mean:
>>
>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news he received.
>
>No.
>
>> or do they only mean
>>
>> 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he received.
>
>Yes.
>
>> I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news or if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in rapid succession. Basically, we have one occasion.
>>
>> Is that correct?
>
>Yes.

Ditto to everything you said.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:44 UTC

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 06:02:47 -0700 (PDT), arthurvv vart
<arthurvarr@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:21:33 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
>> On 4/17/2022 4:15 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
>> > lar3ryca wrote:
>> >> arthurvv vart wrote:
>>
>> >>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom was
>> >>> very much disturbed by the news he received.
>>
>> >>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number
>> >>> of times by the news he received?
>> >> No.
>>
>> > Sure, they could.
>> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
>> "mean" them.

As far as I'm concerned, it *does* rule out multiple occasions.

>> >>> Could they mean:
>>
>> >>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news
>> >>> he received.
>> >> No.
>>
>> > Sure, they could.
>> See above.
>> >>> or do they only mean
>>
>> >>> 4) He was disturbed to a great extent by the news he received.
>> >> Yes.
>>
>> > Agreed.
>>
>> >>> I'd think that in this case there was only one piece of news or
>> >>> if there were multiple pieces of news, they arrived in rapid
>> >>> succession. Basically, we have one occasion.
>>
>> >>> Is that correct?
>> >> Yes.
>>
>> > No. Remember physics class. Time is not a quantity.
>
>Thank you all very much,
>
>I think I am getting three different replies here. That is fine. Language sometimes works in strange ways.
>
>The question is whether the sentence could only indicate the intensity of the emotion, or could also mean something different and refer to the number of occasions.
>
>When you say
>Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't "mean" them.
>
>Do you mean that 'much' could mean 'on a great number of occasions', or that it could indicate that the cumulative effect of news received on a number of occasions was great?
>
>Gratefully,
>Navi

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On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 8:21:33 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 4/17/2022 4:15 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > lar3ryca wrote:
> >> arthurvv vart wrote:
>
> >>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom was
> >>> very much disturbed by the news he received.
>
> >>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number
> >>> of times by the news he received?
> >> No.
>
> > Sure, they could.
> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
> "mean" them.
> >>> Could they mean:
>
> >>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news
> >>> he received.
> >> No.
>
> > Sure, they could.
> See above.

Then, its a confusing question to me.

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On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 4:43:12 PM UTC-7, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 8:21:33 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> > On 4/17/2022 4:15 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > lar3ryca wrote:
> > >> arthurvv vart wrote:
> >
> > >>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom was
> > >>> very much disturbed by the news he received.
> >
> > >>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great number
> > >>> of times by the news he received?
> > >> No.
> >
> > > Sure, they could.
> > Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
> > "mean" them.
> > >>> Could they mean:
> >
> > >>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the news
> > >>> he received.
> > >> No.
> >
> > > Sure, they could.
> > See above.
> Then, its a confusing question to me.

Thank you very much, Ken and Bruce,

Maybe this is a case where different native speakers have differing viewpoints. That can happen.

If I have understood things correctly here.

Respectfully,
Navi

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 by: CDB - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:46 UTC

On 4/17/2022 7:43 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>> lar3ryca wrote:
>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:

>>>>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom
>>>>> was very much disturbed by the news he received.

>>>>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great
>>>>> number of times by the news he received?
>>>> No.

>>> Sure, they could.
>> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
>> "mean" them.
>>>>> Could they mean:

>>>>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the
>>>>> news he received.
>>>> No.

>>> Sure, they could.
>> See above.

> Then, its a confusing question to me.

I may have been too hasty. The question was whether "they" - the
sentences as a whole - could have meant (3). I suppose they could.

I was still thinking about the implications of "much", which couldn't
include (3).

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On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 4:46:17 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
> On 4/17/2022 7:43 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > CDB wrote:
> >> bruce bowser wrote:
> >>> lar3ryca wrote:
> >>>> arthurvv vart wrote:
>
> >>>>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom
> >>>>> was very much disturbed by the news he received.
>
> >>>>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great
> >>>>> number of times by the news he received?
> >>>> No.
>
> >>> Sure, they could.
> >> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
> >> "mean" them.
> >>>>> Could they mean:
>
> >>>>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the
> >>>>> news he received.
> >>>> No.
>
> >>> Sure, they could.
> >> See above.
>
> > Then, its a confusing question to me.
> I may have been too hasty. The question was whether "they" - the
> sentences as a whole - could have meant (3). I suppose they could.
>
> I was still thinking about the implications of "much", which couldn't
> include (3).

Thank you very much, CDB,

I think you and Bruce are extremely gracious. I am very grateful to both of you.

Respectfully,
Navi

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 by: CDB - Mon, 18 Apr 2022 13:53 UTC

On 4/18/2022 8:45 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>> lar3ryca wrote:
>>>>>> arthurvv vart wrote:

>>>>>>> 1) Tom was much disturbed by the news he received. 2) Tom
>>>>>>> was very much disturbed by the news he received.

>>>>>>> Could these sentences mean that he was disturbed a great
>>>>>>> number of times by the news he received?
>>>>>> No.

>>>>> Sure, they could.
>>>> Their phrasing doesn't rule out multiple occasions, but they don't
>>>> "mean" them.
>>>>>>> Could they mean:

>>>>>>> 3) He was disturbed on a great number of occasions by the
>>>>>>> news he received.
>>>>>> No.

>>>>> Sure, they could.
>>>> See above.

>>> Then, its a confusing question to me.
>> I may have been too hasty. The question was whether "they" - the
>> sentences as a whole - could have meant (3). I suppose they could.

>> I was still thinking about the implications of "much", which couldn't
>> include (3).

> Thank you very much, CDB,

> I think you and Bruce are extremely gracious. I am very grateful to both of you.

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