I have created a small collection.

|No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the
|initial encounter with the main enemy force.
Helmuth von Moltke (translated), 1871

|Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives.
|That's why he's called the enemy.
Modern variant of Moltke

|We know what his initial war plan was, right? It involved
|airstrikes combined with sending vehicle columns deep into
|Ukraine. Now, this plan crashed immediately, as soon as it
|faced reality on the battleground.
Andrei Soldatov, 2022

|Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth.
Mike Tyson, 1996

Supersedes: <Holyfield-20220403031232@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>
["tor"->"ter"]

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>|Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth.
>Mike Tyson, 1996

A commenter on why Holyfield won:

|This person had a plan for when they got punched in the mouth.

.

On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> I have created a small collection.
>
> |No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
> 1871
>
> |Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke

Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?

> |We know what his initial war plan was, right? It involved
> |airstrikes combined with sending vehicle columns deep into |Ukraine.
> Now, this plan crashed immediately, as soon as it |faced reality on
> the battleground. Andrei Soldatov, 2022
>
> |Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth. Mike Tyson,
> 1996
>
>

On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> I have created a small collection.
>>
>> |No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
>> 1871
>>
>> |Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>
> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>

Fouled perhaps. My variant would be:
"Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:52:08 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> > I have created a small collection.
> >
> > |No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
> > encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
> > 1871
> >
> > |Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
> > he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>
> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?

Das erste Tag für den Anfänger des Angriffskriegs muss immer das beste tag sein. Nicht?

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
> > On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >> I have created a small collection.
> >>
> >> |No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
> >> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
> >> 1871
> >>
> >> |Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
> >> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
> >
> > Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
> >
>
> Fouled perhaps. My variant would be:
> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."

You should have a plan for whatever he does,

Jan

Sun, 3 Apr 2022 14:02:31 -0700 (PDT): bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 7:52:08 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> > I have created a small collection.
>> >
>> > |No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
>> > encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
>> > 1871
>> >
>> > |Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
>> > he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>>
>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>
>Das erste Tag für den Anfänger des Angriffskriegs muss immer das beste tag sein. Nicht?

DER erste Tag, masculin.

Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
>>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>> I have created a small collection.
>>>>
>>>>> No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
>>>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
>>>> 1871
>>>>
>>>>> Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
>>>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>>>
>>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>>>
>>
>> Fouled perhaps. My variant would be:
>> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."
>
> You should have a plan for whatever he does,

Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than 32
pieces.

/dps

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Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
> >>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>>> I have created a small collection.
> >>>>
> >>>>> No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
> >>>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
> >>>> 1871
> >>>>
> >>>>> Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
> >>>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
> >>>
> >>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Fouled perhaps. My variant would be:
> >> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."
> >
> > You should have a plan for whatever he does,
>
> Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than 32
> pieces.

Yes. I already mentioned a comment by Anish Giri on Carlsen
at some tournament; "now he is pretending to think".
(at move 23 or so, before accepting a draw)
Giri implied that Carlsen must have seen the whole game on his computer
before the start.

As for Von Moltke: knowing what your enemy is actually doing
also helps enormously.
Effective and encrypted radio communication using Enigma
was one of the things that helped Rommel and Guderian
to succeed where Von Moltke had failed,

Jan

On 4/3/2022 2:57 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Stefan Ram wrote:

>>> I have created a small collection.

>>> |No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the
>>> |initial encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke
>>> (translated), 1871

>>> |Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's
>>> why he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke

>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?

> Fouled perhaps. My variant would be: "Never rely on the enemy
> cooperating with your plan."

"Fouled" would be for "fucked". This was "fooled". QED.

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:36 PM UTC-4, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
> > On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:

> >> I have created a small collection.
> >> |No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
> >> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
> >> 1871
> >> |Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
> >> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
> > Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>
> Fouled perhaps. My variant would be:
> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."

Or, more concisely, "Don't be a Putin."

On 4/4/2022 12:50 AM, Snidely wrote:
> Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
>>>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>>> I have created a small collection.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
>>>>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
>>>>> 1871
>>>>>
>>>>>> Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
>>>>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>>>>
>>>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fouled perhaps. My variant would be:
>>> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."
>>
>> You should have a plan for whatever he does,
>
> Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than 32
> pieces.

16, but who's counting.

--
Ken

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

> On 4/4/2022 12:50 AM, Snidely wrote:
> > Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
> >> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
> >>>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> >>>>> I have created a small collection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
> >>>>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
> >>>>> 1871
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
> >>>>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Fouled perhaps. My variant would be:
> >>> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."
> >>
> >> You should have a plan for whatever he does,
> >
> > Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than 32
> > pieces.
>
>
> 16, but who's counting.

Yes, but a win is far more likely if you play 32 pieces,

Jan

--
"Black to give mate in five"

On 04/04/2022 4:48 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/4/2022 12:50 AM, Snidely wrote:
>> Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
>>>>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>>>> I have created a small collection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
>>>>>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
>>>>>> 1871
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
>>>>>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fouled perhaps.  My variant would be:
>>>> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."
>>>
>>> You should have a plan for whatever he does,
>>
>> Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than 32
>> pieces.
>
>
> 16, but who's counting.

Apparently you are.

--
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Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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On 4/4/2022 9:15 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 04/04/2022 4:48 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 4/4/2022 12:50 AM, Snidely wrote:
>>> Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
>>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>>>>> I have created a small collection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
>>>>>>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
>>>>>>> 1871
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
>>>>>>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fouled perhaps.  My variant would be:
>>>>> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."
>>>>
>>>> You should have a plan for whatever he does,
>>>
>>> Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than 32
>>> pieces.
>>
>>
>> 16, but who's counting.
>
> Apparently you are.

Nope. I knew the number without having to count.

--
Ken

On 05/04/22 02:06, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/4/2022 12:50 AM, Snidely wrote:
>>> Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...

>>>> You should have a plan for whatever he does,
>>>
>>> Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than
>>> 32 pieces.
>>
>>
>> 16, but who's counting.
>
> Yes, but a win is far more likely if you play 32 pieces,

That's not obvious. With 32 pieces per side, there are no blank spaces
on the board. But I guess there will be an initial massacre of pawns,
after which the board has thinned out a bit.

I'm guessing a guaranteed win for the first player to move.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 05/04/22 02:06, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/4/2022 12:50 AM, Snidely wrote:
> >>> Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
>
> >>>> You should have a plan for whatever he does,
> >>>
> >>> Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than
> >>> 32 pieces.
> >>
> >>
> >> 16, but who's counting.
> >
> > Yes, but a win is far more likely if you play 32 pieces,
>
> That's not obvious.

It is, with 32 pieces on the board.

> With 32 pieces per side, there are no blank spaces
> on the board.

Who said per side?

> But I guess there will be an initial massacre of pawns,
> after which the board has thinned out a bit.
>
> I'm guessing a guaranteed win for the first player to move.

White always won, when I played both sides,
no matter how hard I tried,

Jan
(so much younger then)

Monday, Ken Blake quipped:
> On 4/4/2022 9:15 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 04/04/2022 4:48 pm, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 4/4/2022 12:50 AM, Snidely wrote:
>>>> Just this Sunday, J. J. Lodder explained that ...
>>>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03-Apr-22 12:52, CDB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/2/2022 9:42 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have created a small collection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No operational plan extends with any certainty beyond the |initial
>>>>>>>> encounter with the main enemy force. Helmuth von Moltke (translated),
>>>>>>>> 1871
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every plan gets fooled up the moment the enemy arrives. |That's why
>>>>>>>> he's called the enemy. Modern variant of Moltke
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that a minced form of "fooked up"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fouled perhaps.  My variant would be:
>>>>>> "Never rely on the enemy cooperating with your plan."
>>>>>
>>>>> You should have a plan for whatever he does,
>>>>
>>>> Easier with chess; it's only an 8x8 board and he has no more than 32
>>>> pieces.
>>>
>>>
>>> 16, but who's counting.
>>
>> Apparently you are.
>
>
> Nope. I knew the number without having to count.

I multiplied. Twice, apparently.

/dps

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