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* Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]A. Filip
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Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]

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Subject: Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]
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 by: A. Filip - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 12:56 UTC

https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/03/23/185257/china-reminds-us-that-it-can-and-will-kill-a-forced-tiktok-sale
> Thursday March 23, 2023
>
> […] TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew appeared before Congress on Thursday morning,
> facing questions from U.S. lawmakers that centered around concerns
> that the Chinese government *could* leverage the app's data to surveil
> American citizens or otherwise undermine national interests. […]

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| "If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem."
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Subject: Re: Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]
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 by: ltlee1 - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:09 UTC

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:56:35 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/03/23/185257/china-reminds-us-that-it-can-and-will-kill-a-forced-tiktok-sale
> > Thursday March 23, 2023
> >
> > […] TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew appeared before Congress on Thursday morning,
> > facing questions from U.S. lawmakers that centered around concerns
> > that the Chinese government *could* leverage the app's data to surveil
> > American citizens or otherwise undermine national interests. […]
>

Yes.
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Subject: Re: Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]
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 by: jim gavon - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 13:22 UTC

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:56:35 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/03/23/185257/china-reminds-us-that-it-can-and-will-kill-a-forced-tiktok-sale
> > Thursday March 23, 2023
> >
> > […] TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew appeared before Congress on Thursday morning,
> > facing questions from U.S. lawmakers that centered around concerns
> > that the Chinese government *could* leverage the app's data to surveil
> > American citizens or otherwise undermine national interests. […]
>
> --
> A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> | "If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem."
> | (C. Durance, Computer Science 234)

The Congressional Hearing is a typical bullying session.

Every details are carefully thought out to diminish the opponent. It's many against one. Those "many" are seated high above the "one". While the single person has to raise his head up to speak to the Congressmen/women, they will look down on on him ,literally, when they speak to him. Psychological advantage for the lawmakers. He was warned of the consequences if caught lying. This should apply to the lawmakers too. He can only answer

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Subject: Re: Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]
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 by: jim gavon - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 13:30 UTC

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:22:32 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:56:35 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/03/23/185257/china-reminds-us-that-it-can-and-will-kill-a-forced-tiktok-sale
> > > Thursday March 23, 2023
> > >
> > > […] TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew appeared before Congress on Thursday morning,
> > > facing questions from U.S. lawmakers that centered around concerns
> > > that the Chinese government *could* leverage the app's data to surveil
> > > American citizens or otherwise undermine national interests. […]
> >
> > --
> > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > | "If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem."
> > | (C. Durance, Computer Science 234)
> The Congressional Hearing is a typical bullying session.
>
> Every details are carefully thought out to diminish the opponent. It's many against one. Those "many" are seated high above the "one". While the single person has to raise his head up to speak to the Congressmen/women, they will look down on on him ,literally, when they speak to him. Psychological advantage for the lawmakers. He was warned of the consequences if caught lying. This should apply to the lawmakers too. He can only answer
(cont.) but not ask question.
It was just an occasion for the American politicians to criticise and condemn China.

The issue of TikTok is obvious. Like Huawei, ByteDance, Tik Tok's parent company, is another Chinese company which is a world beater. Therefore it has to be cut down to size, better still, obliterated. This is American way of competition. It's not about how to be better than the competition. It's about how to thwart the competition, or better still, kill it. The Americans just cannot compete anymore.

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Subject: Re: Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]
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 by: ltlee1 - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 17:06 UTC

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:22:32 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:56:35 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/03/23/185257/china-reminds-us-that-it-can-and-will-kill-a-forced-tiktok-sale
> > > Thursday March 23, 2023
> > >
> > > […] TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew appeared before Congress on Thursday morning,
> > > facing questions from U.S. lawmakers that centered around concerns
> > > that the Chinese government *could* leverage the app's data to surveil
> > > American citizens or otherwise undermine national interests. […]
> >
> > --
> > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > | "If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem."
> > | (C. Durance, Computer Science 234)
> The Congressional Hearing is a typical bullying session.
>
> Every details are carefully thought out to diminish the opponent. It's many against one. Those "many" are seated high above the "one". While the single person has to raise his head up to speak to the Congressmen/women, they will look down on on him ,literally, when they speak to him. Psychological advantage for the lawmakers. He was warned of the consequences if caught lying. This should apply to the lawmakers too. He can only answer

Congressional hearing, like other institutions, could be used to increase transparency.
But not in the US nowadays. It is mostly used as a gaming tool deployed by one party
to attack the other party and unfavorable policies in domestic politics.

And, in this case, a bullying tool.

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Subject: Re: Does US judge PRC by what US does? [TikTok]
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 by: ltlee1 - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 17:12 UTC

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:30:50 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:22:32 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 12:56:35 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > > https://news.slashdot.org/story/23/03/23/185257/china-reminds-us-that-it-can-and-will-kill-a-forced-tiktok-sale
> > > > Thursday March 23, 2023
> > > >
> > > > […] TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew appeared before Congress on Thursday morning,
> > > > facing questions from U.S. lawmakers that centered around concerns
> > > > that the Chinese government *could* leverage the app's data to surveil
> > > > American citizens or otherwise undermine national interests. […]
> > >
> > > --
> > > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > > | "If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem."
> > > | (C. Durance, Computer Science 234)
> > The Congressional Hearing is a typical bullying session.
> >
> > Every details are carefully thought out to diminish the opponent. It's many against one. Those "many" are seated high above the "one". While the single person has to raise his head up to speak to the Congressmen/women, they will look down on on him ,literally, when they speak to him. Psychological advantage for the lawmakers. He was warned of the consequences if caught lying. This should apply to the lawmakers too. He can only answer
> (cont.) but not ask question.
> It was just an occasion for the American politicians to criticise and condemn China.

American political leaders may not be able to delivery real benefit to the people. However,
as long as China is considered an enemy, criticising /condemning China is considered a
good substitute. Typical China's loss = US gain zero-sum mentally.
>
> The issue of TikTok is obvious. Like Huawei, ByteDance, Tik Tok's parent company, is another Chinese company which is a world beater. Therefore it has to be cut down to size, better still, obliterated. This is American way of competition. It's not about how to be better than the competition. It's about how to thwart the competition, or better still, kill it. The Americans just cannot compete anymore.


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