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[Free Speech/Press required for self governing] What to know about the Tucker Carlson January 6 footage

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Subject: [Free Speech/Press required for self governing] What to know about
the Tucker Carlson January 6 footage
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 by: ltlee1 - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 16:13 UTC

Free speech and free press are, theoretically, required for self governing and self flourishing. Are they? Let us considered three CNN articles related to the death of a Capitol policeman Sicknick.

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1.https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/politics/tucker-carlson-january-6-footage/index.html
" Sicknick’s death
The video shows Sicknick in the crypt of the Capitol, appearing to give instructions to some of the nearby rioters who are milling around the area, repeatedly waving his arms. Carlson argued that Sicknick looks “healthy and vigorous” in the video, and therefore “it’s hard to imagine” that he was severely injured by the rioters or that he died because of the insurrection.

On January 6, Sicknick was attacked with pepper spray and physically fought with members of the mob. An officer testified that she saw Sicknick in significant distress after he was sprayed. He died one day later after suffering a series of strokes. The DC medical examiner ruled that he died of natural causes but said, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition.”

2. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/brian-sicknick-death-us-capitol-riot/index.html

"The medical examiner, Francisco Diaz, didn’t note any evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemical spray or list any internal or external injuries, according to The Washington Post, which first reported the ruling. Still, Diaz told the newspaper that “all that transpired” on January 6 “played a role in his condition.

3. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/health/sicknick-death-natural-strokes/index.html

"Sicknick had what the medical examiner called acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis – a specific type of blood clot in the brain. "
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Taking all 3 together, only the Medical Examiner's "all that transpired ...play a role" suggests a linkage between Sicknick's death and Jan 6.

How strong is the linkage?
It is a matter of how to interpret "all that transpired". And more important, whether the phrase should be read negatively or positively.

If a bullet punctures a person heart or brain and kills him, one can say "all that transpired before the bullet has entered the body play NO role. Can one say the same on thrombosis with well established long term causes?

"Thrombosis can happen for many reasons, but certain conditions are more likely to cause clots to form. These conditions fall under the following types or categories.
Circulatory and heart problems:
Conditions like atherosclerosis, where arteries stiffen because of a buildup of plaque (a waxy substance related to cholesterol) inside them, often cause clots.
....
Blood clotting problems
Several conditions and problems can cause your blood to clot more easily. These conditions can happen for the following reasons:..."

If one cannot talk about thrombosis death like gunshot death, the "all that transpired ...play a role" obviously meant to be used negatively. It is not meant to establish a positive link. As a matte of FACT, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition” is as true as "“all that transpired during the past X years played a role in his condition.”

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 by: Ezimene nimi Teine n - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:52 UTC

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On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 6:13:29 PM UTC+2, ltlee1 wrote:
> Free speech and free press are, theoretically, required for self governing and self flourishing. Are they? Let us considered three CNN articles related to the death of a Capitol policeman Sicknick.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 1.https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/politics/tucker-carlson-january-6-footage/index.html
> " Sicknick’s death
> The video shows Sicknick in the crypt of the Capitol, appearing to give instructions to some of the nearby rioters who are milling around the area, repeatedly waving his arms. Carlson argued that Sicknick looks “healthy and vigorous” in the video, and therefore “it’s hard to imagine” that he was severely injured by the rioters or that he died because of the insurrection.
>
> On January 6, Sicknick was attacked with pepper spray and physically fought with members of the mob. An officer testified that she saw Sicknick in significant distress after he was sprayed. He died one day later after suffering a series of strokes. The DC medical examiner ruled that he died of natural causes but said, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition.”
>
> 2. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/brian-sicknick-death-us-capitol-riot/index.html
>
> "The medical examiner, Francisco Diaz, didn’t note any evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemical spray or list any internal or external injuries, according to The Washington Post, which first reported the ruling. Still, Diaz told the newspaper that “all that transpired” on January 6 “played a role in his condition.
>
> 3. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/health/sicknick-death-natural-strokes/index.html
>
> "Sicknick had what the medical examiner called acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis – a specific type of blood clot in the brain. "
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Taking all 3 together, only the Medical Examiner's "all that transpired ....play a role" suggests a linkage between Sicknick's death and Jan 6.
>
> How strong is the linkage?
> It is a matter of how to interpret "all that transpired". And more important, whether the phrase should be read negatively or positively.
>
> If a bullet punctures a person heart or brain and kills him, one can say "all that transpired before the bullet has entered the body play NO role. Can one say the same on thrombosis with well established long term causes?
>
> "Thrombosis can happen for many reasons, but certain conditions are more likely to cause clots to form. These conditions fall under the following types or categories.
> Circulatory and heart problems:
> Conditions like atherosclerosis, where arteries stiffen because of a buildup of plaque (a waxy substance related to cholesterol) inside them, often cause clots.
> ...
> Blood clotting problems
> Several conditions and problems can cause your blood to clot more easily. These conditions can happen for the following reasons:..."
>
> If one cannot talk about thrombosis death like gunshot death, the "all that transpired ...play a role" obviously meant to be used negatively. It is not meant to establish a positive link. As a matte of FACT, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition” is as true as "“all that transpired during the past X years played a role in his condition.”

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 by: ltlee1 - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 12:55 UTC

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:13:29 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> Free speech and free press are, theoretically, required for self governing and self flourishing. Are they? Let us considered three CNN articles related to the death of a Capitol policeman Sicknick.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 1.https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/politics/tucker-carlson-january-6-footage/index.html
> " Sicknick’s death
> The video shows Sicknick in the crypt of the Capitol, appearing to give instructions to some of the nearby rioters who are milling around the area, repeatedly waving his arms. Carlson argued that Sicknick looks “healthy and vigorous” in the video, and therefore “it’s hard to imagine” that he was severely injured by the rioters or that he died because of the insurrection.
>
> On January 6, Sicknick was attacked with pepper spray and physically fought with members of the mob. An officer testified that she saw Sicknick in significant distress after he was sprayed. He died one day later after suffering a series of strokes. The DC medical examiner ruled that he died of natural causes but said, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition.”
>
> 2. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/brian-sicknick-death-us-capitol-riot/index.html
>
> "The medical examiner, Francisco Diaz, didn’t note any evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemical spray or list any internal or external injuries, according to The Washington Post, which first reported the ruling. Still, Diaz told the newspaper that “all that transpired” on January 6 “played a role in his condition.
>
> 3. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/health/sicknick-death-natural-strokes/index.html
>
> "Sicknick had what the medical examiner called acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis – a specific type of blood clot in the brain. "
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Taking all 3 together, only the Medical Examiner's "all that transpired ....play a role" suggests a linkage between Sicknick's death and Jan 6.
>
> How strong is the linkage?
> It is a matter of how to interpret "all that transpired". And more important, whether the phrase should be read negatively or positively.
>
> If a bullet punctures a person heart or brain and kills him, one can say "all that transpired before the bullet has entered the body play NO role. Can one say the same on thrombosis with well established long term causes?
>
> "Thrombosis can happen for many reasons, but certain conditions are more likely to cause clots to form. These conditions fall under the following types or categories.
> Circulatory and heart problems:
> Conditions like atherosclerosis, where arteries stiffen because of a buildup of plaque (a waxy substance related to cholesterol) inside them, often cause clots.
> ...
> Blood clotting problems
> Several conditions and problems can cause your blood to clot more easily. These conditions can happen for the following reasons:..."
>
> If one cannot talk about thrombosis death like gunshot death, the "all that transpired ...play a role" obviously meant to be used negatively. It is not meant to establish a positive link. As a matte of FACT, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition” is as true as "“all that transpired during the past X years played a role in his condition.”

Free speech and free press begin with people who are willing to think critically and independently. As long as people still hold on to “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition” as a positive link between Officer Sicknick'sunfortunate death and Jan 6th, free press is not working as promised.

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 by: ltlee1 - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 14:08 UTC

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 4:13:29 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> Free speech and free press are, theoretically, required for self governing and self flourishing. Are they? Let us considered three CNN articles related to the death of a Capitol policeman Sicknick.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 1.https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/06/politics/tucker-carlson-january-6-footage/index.html
> " Sicknick’s death
> The video shows Sicknick in the crypt of the Capitol, appearing to give instructions to some of the nearby rioters who are milling around the area, repeatedly waving his arms. Carlson argued that Sicknick looks “healthy and vigorous” in the video, and therefore “it’s hard to imagine” that he was severely injured by the rioters or that he died because of the insurrection.
>
> On January 6, Sicknick was attacked with pepper spray and physically fought with members of the mob. An officer testified that she saw Sicknick in significant distress after he was sprayed. He died one day later after suffering a series of strokes. The DC medical examiner ruled that he died of natural causes but said, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition.”
>
> 2. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/brian-sicknick-death-us-capitol-riot/index.html
>
> "The medical examiner, Francisco Diaz, didn’t note any evidence that Sicknick had an allergic reaction to chemical spray or list any internal or external injuries, according to The Washington Post, which first reported the ruling. Still, Diaz told the newspaper that “all that transpired” on January 6 “played a role in his condition.
>
> 3. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/health/sicknick-death-natural-strokes/index.html
>
> "Sicknick had what the medical examiner called acute brainstem and cerebellar infarcts due to acute basilar artery thrombosis – a specific type of blood clot in the brain. "
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Taking all 3 together, only the Medical Examiner's "all that transpired ....play a role" suggests a linkage between Sicknick's death and Jan 6.
>
> How strong is the linkage?
> It is a matter of how to interpret "all that transpired". And more important, whether the phrase should be read negatively or positively.
>
> If a bullet punctures a person heart or brain and kills him, one can say "all that transpired before the bullet has entered the body play NO role. Can one say the same on thrombosis with well established long term causes?
>
> "Thrombosis can happen for many reasons, but certain conditions are more likely to cause clots to form. These conditions fall under the following types or categories.
> Circulatory and heart problems:
> Conditions like atherosclerosis, where arteries stiffen because of a buildup of plaque (a waxy substance related to cholesterol) inside them, often cause clots.
> ...
> Blood clotting problems
> Several conditions and problems can cause your blood to clot more easily. These conditions can happen for the following reasons:..."
>
> If one cannot talk about thrombosis death like gunshot death, the "all that transpired ...play a role" obviously meant to be used negatively. It is not meant to establish a positive link. As a matte of FACT, “all that transpired (on January 6) played a role in his condition” is as true as "“all that transpired during the past X years played a role in his condition.”

---------------------------------------------
Another CNN reporting, article entitled
"Prosecutors refute claims Tucker Carlson’s airing of security footage exonerates January 6 defendants".
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/12/politics/jacob-chansley-footage-tucker-carlson/index.html
The article has embedded video without a separate URL.

Prosecutors refute claims exonerating the so-called “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley, yet they showed
no evidence of Jacob Chansley engaging in any act of violence. The guest of the show suggested that
Tucker Carlson's video was selective. And Kevin McCarthy is not fair in making the tape available to all.
But then why was the tape not available to all including Chansley's lawyer in the beginning?

The commentator also tried to link Officer Sicknick's death to Jan 6th. But again he is hiding the fact that
Sicknick's death was caused by thrombosis which has well established long term causes. The Medical
Examiner could not scientifically preclude causation on what had transpired Jan 6. Similarly he could not
scientifically preclude causation on what had transpired before Jan 6.


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