Are there any examples of "grudge the <subject>" forms? I spotted two on
lexico but it's not clear they show what I want

I'm looking for constructs like "don't grudge the muslims for their
beards" or "don't grudge the devils for their sense of humour" - i
suspect this usage is peculiar to indian english (or is archaic and was
retained in indian english)

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:36:14 PM UTC-7, Madhu wrote:
> Are there any examples of "grudge the <subject>" forms? I spotted two on
> lexico but it's not clear they show what I want
>
> I'm looking for constructs like "don't grudge the muslims for their
> beards" or "don't grudge the devils for their sense of humour" - i
> suspect this usage is peculiar to indian english (or is archaic and was
> retained in indian english)

You might look up "begrudge" and see if that has the meaning you're thinking of.

bill

On 3/17/2022 11:46 PM, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> Madhu wrote:

>> Are there any examples of "grudge the <subject>" forms? I spotted
>> two on lexico but it's not clear they show what I want

>> I'm looking for constructs like "don't grudge the muslims for
>> their beards" or "don't grudge the devils for their sense of
>> humour" - i suspect this usage is peculiar to indian english (or is
>> archaic and was retained in indian english)

> You might look up "begrudge" and see if that has the meaning you're
> thinking of.

Keeping in mind that the somewhat old-fashioned standard use of
"begrudge" gives it an indirect and a direct object: "Don't begrudge the
Muslims their sense of humour".

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:36:14 PM UTC-6, Madhu wrote:
> Are there any examples of "grudge the <subject>" forms? I spotted two on
> lexico but it's not clear they show what I want
>
> I'm looking for constructs like "don't grudge the muslims for their
> beards" or "don't grudge the devils for their sense of humour" - i
> suspect this usage is peculiar to indian english (or is archaic and was
> retained in indian english)

With "for" it's probably just Indian. The OED has

2.
a. transitive. To be unwilling to give, grant, or allow (something); to
begrudge. Also with infinitive as object.

c1500 Three Kings' Sons (1895) 110 For the symplesse & pouert
of his persone, he gruggid the lesse his deliueraunce.

1549 M. Coverdale et al. tr. Erasmus Paraphr. Newe Test. II. Jas. ii.
f. xxxiiv Shall his faythe auaile him, that at Goddes commaundement
grudgeth to geue a cote to hys neyghbour that starueth for colde.

1596 Raigne of Edward III sig. F4v The garrison of Genoaes..weary
with their march, Grudging to be soddenly imployd.

1608 Bp. J. Hall Epist. I. i. ix. 93 What if God had called mee to
Heauen? would you haue grudged my departure?

1618 J. Bulloker in E. Farr Sel. Poetry Reign James I (1848) 291 His
owne disciples, too, that sate at bord, Do grudge such cost bestow'd
vpon their Lord.

1687 A. Lovell tr. J. de Thévenot Trav. into Levant i. 268 The English
are very good Sea-men..never grudging their labour.

1711 J. Addison Spectator No. 10. ¶6 I hope these my gentle Readers..
will not grudge throwing away a Quarter of an Hour in a Day on this Paper.

1755 E. Young Centaur v, in Wks. (1757) IV. 236 Shall we grudge to pay
half that pains for an eternity?

1759 S. Johnson Idler 27 Oct. 337 [She] tells how she grudges every
moment of delay.

1830 I. D'Israeli Comm. Life Charles I III. ix. 198 Some..were jealous to
obtain the distinction of a royal visit, though they grudged the cost.

1845 J. R. McCulloch Treat. Taxation ii. ii. 165 The duties on spirits and
tobacco..are paid without being grudged.

1846 J. Keble Lyra Innocentium 260 Why should we grudge the hour
and house of prayer?

1848 Baroness Bunsen in A. J. C. Hare Life & Lett. Baroness Bunsen
(1879) II. iii. 120 I grudge your being disturbed in the composure you
had re-conquered.

1873 R. Browning Red Cotton Night-cap Country iii. 199 And as
with body, so proceed with soul: Nor less discerningly..grudge To play
the doctor.

b. Const. /t/o or /dative/.

1639 T. Fuller Hist. Holy Warre v. iii. 233 The world..never grudged
them great wages who did good work.

1697 J. Dryden tr. Virgil Georgics i, in tr. Virgil Wks. 69 Long the Gods..
Have grudg'd thee, Cæsar, to the World below.

1719 E. Young Busiris ii. 22 I'd grudge her Beauties to the Gods that
gave them.

1855 T. B. Macaulay Hist. Eng. III. xv. 508 Even zealous Royalists
might not have grudged the old Republican a grave in his native soil.

1871 R. Ellis tr. Catullus Poems lxiv. 170 Thus to my utmost need
chance..Grudges an ear.

1873 A. Helps Some Talk about Animals & their Masters iii. 63 I don't
grudge these people their pleasure.

--
Jerry Friedman

On 18/03/22 22:58, CDB wrote:
> On 3/17/2022 11:46 PM, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>> Madhu wrote:
>
>>> Are there any examples of "grudge the <subject>" forms? I
>>> spotted two on lexico but it's not clear they show what I want
>
>>> I'm looking for constructs like "don't grudge the muslims for
>>> their beards" or "don't grudge the devils for their sense of
>>> humour" - i suspect this usage is peculiar to indian english (or
>>> is archaic and was retained in indian english)
>
>> You might look up "begrudge" and see if that has the meaning
>> you're thinking of.
>
> Keeping in mind that the somewhat old-fashioned standard use of
> "begrudge" gives it an indirect and a direct object: "Don't begrudge
> the Muslims their sense of humour".

The structure Madhu gave us has the direct and indirect objects swapped:
don't grudge <direct object> for <indirect object>.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:06:03 +0530, Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

>
> Are there any examples of "grudge the <subject>" forms? I spotted two on
> lexico but it's not clear they show what I want
>
> I'm looking for constructs like "don't grudge the muslims for their
> beards" or "don't grudge the devils for their sense of humour" - i
> suspect this usage is peculiar to indian english (or is archaic and was
> retained in indian english)

When talking about pre-war events, Mother once said "I grudged
(name)the five dollars that we paid him."

(This was the thirties; five dollars was extremely hard to come by.)

I am very annoyed that I cannot remember the name, because I'm told
that I cried and could not be comforted when our hand was drafted. The
adults wondered how I knew that this time he wasn't coming back.

Mom said that she felt very bad that she and Dad couldn't drive him to
town that last day.

Louie! It was Louie! I've no idea how he spelled it.

--
Joy Beeson, U.S.A., mostly central Hoosier,
some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at centurylink dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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