I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".

I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?

Thanks in advance.

chandelle <rama@samura.ai> writes:
>I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer:
>"The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of
>the contractor's claims as at the date of signature of the
>agreement".

"As at" is ok.

"The agreement serves for full and final settlement of all
claims of the Contractor at the time of signing the agreement."

On 2022-02-28 12:44:46 +0000, chandelle said:

> I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The
> agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the
> contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".
>
> I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly.
> Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at"
> correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?

Legal English is intended to be unambiguous, and not necessarily
elegant. I think "as at" is needed here.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

chandelle <rama@samura.ai> wrote:

> I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement
> is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor's claims as
> at the date of signature of the agreement".
>
> I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't
> either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct
> usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?

You can read it as
"...all of the contractor's claims as (they are) at the date of..."

Jan

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:44:52 AM UTC-5, chandelle wrote:

> I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".
>
> I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?
>
> Thanks in advance.

Presumably a centuries-old formula, from which you deviate at your peril.

On 28-Feb-22 17:03, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:44:52 AM UTC-5, chandelle wrote:
>
>> I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".
>>
>> I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> Presumably a centuries-old formula, from which you deviate at your peril.

Good old boilerplate.

--
Sam Plusnet

Le lundi 28 février 2022 à 18:03:09 UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:44:52 AM UTC-5, chandelle wrote:
>
> > I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".
> >
> > I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> Presumably a centuries-old formula, from which you deviate at your peril.

Not much peril apparently, as the regular "as of" is much more common in a
similar legal context.

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:52:47 PM UTC-5, Bebercito wrote:
> Le lundi 28 février 2022 à 18:03:09 UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> > On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:44:52 AM UTC-5, chandelle wrote:

> > > I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".
> > > I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > Presumably a centuries-old formula, from which you deviate at your peril.
>
> Not much peril apparently, as the regular "as of" is much more common in a
> similar legal context.

No doubt you've done a Lexis-Nexis (or whatever the British equivalent is)
search and can back up your assertion with data.

The books are full of examples of disastrous consequences stemming
from inadvertent deviations from formulae in drafting contracts or,
worse, laws.

On 1/03/22 11:27 am, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:52:47 PM UTC-5, Bebercito wrote:
>> Le lundi 28 février 2022 à 18:03:09 UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:44:52 AM UTC-5, chandelle wrote:
>
>>>> I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".
>>>> I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Presumably a centuries-old formula, from which you deviate at your peril.
>>
>> Not much peril apparently, as the regular "as of" is much more common in a
>> similar legal context.
>
> No doubt you've done a Lexis-Nexis (or whatever the British equivalent is)
> search and can back up your assertion with data.
>
> The books are full of examples of disastrous consequences stemming
> from inadvertent deviations from formulae in drafting contracts or,
> worse, laws.

I think "as of" means "from that time forward", while "as at" means "at
that particular time">

--brian

--
Wellington
New Zealand

On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 10:47:17 PM UTC-5, Stoat wrote:
> On 1/03/22 11:27 am, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 4:52:47 PM UTC-5, Bebercito wrote:
> >> Le lundi 28 février 2022 à 18:03:09 UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
> >>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:44:52 AM UTC-5, chandelle wrote:

> >>>> I came across this sentence written by an English lawyer: "The agreement is made in full and final settlement of all of the contractor’s claims as at the date of signature of the agreement".
> >>>> I could be the only one but "as at" doesn't somehow read correctly. Won't either of "as on" or simply "on" work better? And is "as at" correct usage? Is "as of" an alternative as well, even if inelegant?
> >>>> Thanks in advance.

I forgot to put "You will be welcome." Haven't seen TIA in a while.

> >>> Presumably a centuries-old formula, from which you deviate at your peril.
> >> Not much peril apparently, as the regular "as of" is much more common in a
> >> similar legal context.
> > No doubt you've done a Lexis-Nexis (or whatever the British equivalent is)
> > search and can back up your assertion with data.
> > The books are full of examples of disastrous consequences stemming
> > from inadvertent deviations from formulae in drafting contracts or,
> > worse, laws.
>
> I think "as of" means "from that time forward", while "as at" means "at
> that particular time"

In that case, chandelle's suggestion is really cruisin' for a bruisin'!