On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-5, CDB wrote:
> On 2/9/2022 10:23 PM, Snidely wrote:
> > Dingbat declared ...
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:

[no, he didn't]
> >>>> 1867 H. Latham Black & White 127 Niggers (they are not
> >>>> ‘coloured persons’ yet in the South) are most artful
> >>>> flatterers. 1897 Outing 29 333/1 What is wanted is a genuine
> >>>> nigger— not a colored person, or an Afro-American, or a
> >>>> darkey—and one who has been there before [i.e. game fishing in
> >>>> Florida]. https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/126934
> >>> Dies that answer your initial question?
> >> Not at all. I don't see what an N* who was not Afro-American could
> >> have meant in the US South.
> > It's a comment that everyone is getting all mealy-mouthed and
> > euphemistic.
> > The N word was being applied to exactly the same population as
> > Afro-American in that quote, but asserting there was only one correct
> > term.
>
> Somewhere earlier in this thread, I was moved to look up Dingbat's use
> of "N-word duck". It's a duck that is all black.
>
> There must have been a time when the word simply referred to colour.

And in England, it persisted well into the lifetime of many posting
here today -- the notorious Agatha Christie title, and at least one
of the Alec Guinness "Ealing comedies." (I can't say which one; one
of our TV stations did a series of maybe all of them in a week or
two, and they blend together, like Marx Brothers movies.)
> --
> And then there was that Labrador retriever.

?

On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 05:47:30 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-5, CDB wrote:
>> On 2/9/2022 10:23 PM, Snidely wrote:
>> > Dingbat declared ...
>> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>[no, he didn't]
>> >>>> 1867 H. Latham Black & White 127 Niggers (they are not
>> >>>> ‘coloured persons’ yet in the South) are most artful
>> >>>> flatterers. 1897 Outing 29 333/1 What is wanted is a genuine
>> >>>> nigger— not a colored person, or an Afro-American, or a
>> >>>> darkey—and one who has been there before [i.e. game fishing in
>> >>>> Florida]. https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/126934
>> >>> Dies that answer your initial question?
>> >> Not at all. I don't see what an N* who was not Afro-American could
>> >> have meant in the US South.
>> > It's a comment that everyone is getting all mealy-mouthed and
>> > euphemistic.
>> > The N word was being applied to exactly the same population as
>> > Afro-American in that quote, but asserting there was only one correct
>> > term.
>>
>> Somewhere earlier in this thread, I was moved to look up Dingbat's use
>> of "N-word duck". It's a duck that is all black.
>>
>> There must have been a time when the word simply referred to colour.
>
>And in England, it persisted well into the lifetime of many posting
>here today -- the notorious Agatha Christie title, and at least one
>of the Alec Guinness "Ealing comedies." (I can't say which one; one
>of our TV stations did a series of maybe all of them in a week or
>two, and they blend together, like Marx Brothers movies.)
>> --
>> And then there was that Labrador retriever.
>
>?

The RAF Wing Commander Guy Gibson's dog that was the mascot of the 617
Squadron.

Nigger was featured in the 1955 movie "The Dam Busters", but will be
re-named "Digger" in the re-make of the movie.

--

Tony Cooper Orlando Florida

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 8:23:58 PM UTC-7, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday or thereabouts, Dingbat declared ...
> > On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 6:10:09 AM UTC-8, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> 1867 H. Latham Black & White 127 Niggers (they are not
> >>> ‘coloured persons’ yet in the South) are most artful flatterers.
> >>> 1897 Outing 29 333/1 What is wanted is a genuine nigger—
> >>> not a colored person, or an Afro-American, or a darkey—and
> >>> one who has been there before [i.e. game fishing in Florida].
> >>> https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/126934
> >
> >> Dies that answer your initial question?
> >
> > Not at all. I don't see what an N* who was not Afro-American
> > could have meant in the US South.
> It's a comment that everyone is getting all mealy-mouthed and
> euphemistic.
>
> The N word was being applied to exactly the same population as
> Afro-American in that quote, but asserting there was only one correct
> term.

Or that the person wanted was the kind who wouldn't prefer a more
polite term, or who wouldn't be so well educated or whatever that one
might be tempted into politeness.

--
Jerry Friedman

On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 5:01:18 AM UTC-8, CDB wrote:
> On 2/9/2022 10:23 PM, Snidely wrote:
> > Dingbat declared ...
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >>>> 1867 H. Latham Black & White 127 Niggers (they are not
> >>>> ‘coloured persons’ yet in the South) are most artful
> >>>> flatterers. 1897 Outing 29 333/1 What is wanted is a genuine
> >>>> nigger— not a colored person, or an Afro-American, or a
> >>>> darkey—and one who has been there before [i.e. game fishing in
> >>>> Florida]. https://www.oed.com/viewdictionaryentry/Entry/126934
>
> >>> Dies that answer your initial question?
>
> >> Not at all. I don't see what an N* who was not Afro-American could
> >> have meant in the US South.
>
> > It's a comment that everyone is getting all mealy-mouthed and
> > euphemistic.
>
> > The N word was being applied to exactly the same population as
> > Afro-American in that quote, but asserting there was only one correct
> > term.
> Somewhere earlier in this thread, I was moved to look up Dingbat's use
> of "N-word duck". It's a duck that is all black.
>
.... or idiotic person.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=niggerduck
It's dumb cluck in India.
>
> There must have been a time when the word simply referred to colour.
>
> --
> And then there was that Labrador retriever.

On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 6:11:25 AM UTC-8, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:26:01 AM UTC-5, Dingbat wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:30:44 AM UTC-8, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> > > There's a current post in which the use of "Moron" is described as a
> > > "perfectly ordinary term" to use when referring to someone. The
> > > justification is that the term can be used if the writer feels that
> > > the "Moron" has posted something that the writer considers to be based
> > > on "astonishing stupidity".
> >
> > The best positive spin that can be put on that is that "moron" is
> > more ordinary than "nigger duck".
>
> You sure talk weird in India.
>
Nah; Americans talk funny. They pronounce Volte-face as
"volt face".When they have occasion to pronounce it, that is.
If you can't say [vɒlt] or [vɔlt] with a short [ɔ], just say
about-face.
>
> Again, what is the connection?
>
Degrees of ordinariness have a connection to ordinary. Calling some one a
moron would be ordinary only relative to more outre terms like the regional
slang term introduced, even in the region where such slang is used.