Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
>>>Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>
>>>>The fact is that if you or I (or any other ordinary Joe) was playing around
>>>>with a loaded gun (whether or not we knew it was loaded or not - that is,
>>>>in fact, totally irrelevant) and something happens, and somebody dies as a
>>>>result of that something, then we are guilty of some level of manslaughter.
>>>>And it is basically a slam dunk prosecution. This sort of thing *IS*
>>>>routinely prosecuted (against ordinary Joes) and people are routinely sent
>>>>to prison for it.
>
>>What about civil prosecution?
>
> You mean a tort lawsuit for P.I.?

"General negligence" is cited by the old friend in whose arms she died...
with "inury,including severe emotional distress,as a direct and proximate
result of this incident."

> Of course that's going to happen.
Here's the lawsuit described:
https://deadline.com/2021/11/alec-baldwin-rust-lawsuit-fatal-shooting-halyna-hutchins-serge-svetnoy-1234871615/
and the complaint itself in PDF
https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/rust-lawsuit.pdf
Direct details of the shooting are included.

I suppose other suits will follow.

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On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 9:35:40 AM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Topic Cop <Beaver...@live.com> wrote:
> >On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 2:09:26 AM UTC-7, radioacti...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>Early reports make it sure look like legendary showbiz bad boy Alec Baldwin was here a victim of unfortunate circumstance; the late lady Hutchins, born Ukrainian, seems clearly a victim of some sort.
>
> >>Joel Souza, the director of "Rust" on location in New Mexico near Santa Fe, was also wounded in the on-set incident on Thursday.
>
> >>BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
> >>https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/sheriffs-office-alec-baldwins-prop-firearm-kills-one-injures-another/article_9612afc6-32c5-11ec-9e2e-e3cc47b69ce5.html
>
> >This seems to happen every once in awhile.
>
> >I think we need stronger gun laws. Or at least stricter rules on movie sets.
> There are extremely strict rules on movie sets, which is why this
> happens decades apart. It's just that Baldwin violated every one of
> them. I can say that because he wasn't just the star but the producer.
>
> As I said in another newsgroup, I was appalled to learn that this wasn't
> another actor during production, but it was the D.P. and the
> director/writer between takes. Baldwin shouldn't have even had the gun.
>
> Actors are stupid. Actors are not sober. Actors are very stupid when
> sober and not sober. Therefore, all guns are to be in control of the
> armorer on set at all times during breaks in production. They are not to
> be held by actors except during scenes. A prop gun, even if loaded with
> blanks, is still a gun and is to be treated like a gun. It's not to be
> aimed at another person. The actor holding the gun isn't to put his
> finger on the trigger when not discharging it.
>
> Actors are not allowed to load or unload their weapons. That's the
> armorer's job. The armorer is responsible for putting live ammunition
> instead of blanks, but everyone knows that deadly mistakes can be made
> which is why you don't play around with guns even if you believe they
> are loaded with blanks.
>
> It's still Baldwin's responsibility for aiming and pulling the trigger.
> And it's still Baldwin's responsibility for supervising the armorer as
> producer.

Lawsuits filed this week by close friend of halyna

Sounds as if the armorer was Tom sawyering her duties

mk5000

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Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
>>>>Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>The fact is that if you or I (or any other ordinary Joe) was playing around
>>>>>with a loaded gun (whether or not we knew it was loaded or not - that is,
>>>>>in fact, totally irrelevant) and something happens, and somebody dies as a
>>>>>result of that something, then we are guilty of some level of manslaughter.
>>>>>And it is basically a slam dunk prosecution. This sort of thing *IS*
>>>>>routinely prosecuted (against ordinary Joes) and people are routinely sent
>>>>>to prison for it.
>>
>>>What about civil prosecution?
>>
>> You mean a tort lawsuit for P.I.?
>
> "General negligence" is cited by the old friend in whose arms she died...
> with "injury,including severe emotional distress,as a direct and proximate
> result of this incident."
>
>> Of course that's going to happen.
>
> Here's the lawsuit described:
> https://deadline.com/2021/11/alec-baldwin-rust-lawsuit-fatal-shooting-halyna-hutchins-serge-svetnoy-1234871615/
> and the complaint itself in PDF
> https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/rust-lawsuit.pdf
> Direct details of the shooting are included.
>
> I suppose other suits will follow.

And yes,script supervisor Mamie Mitchell,who called 911,
has also sued,with Gloria Allred representing her.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10213389/
The complaint itself in PDF:
https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/RUST-mitchell-allred-complaint.pdf
The script supervisor says the script for the scene
being rehearsed did not call for a gun to be fired.

Per CNN and Fox,the assistant director's lawyer says checking the gun
was not his responsibility.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/entertainment/rust-shooting-assistant-director-gun/index.html
(So if he hands someone a gun and says it's not loaded,he has no responsibility
for telling the truth?)

> -=-=-
> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:

>. . .

>Per CNN and Fox,the assistant director's lawyer says checking the gun
>was not his responsibility.
>https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/entertainment/rust-shooting-assistant-director-gun/index.html
>(So if he hands someone a gun and says it's not loaded,he has no responsibility
>for telling the truth?)

Then the fuckhead shouldn't have touched the weapon. He should have been
the armourer take responsibility for her job and had the weapon to
Baldwin.

On a stage play or movie set, I've just never heard of people who aren't
the propmaster or part of the props crew hand anything to actors.

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
>
>>. . .
>
>>Per CNN and Fox,the assistant director's lawyer says checking the gun
>>was not his responsibility.
>>https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/01/entertainment/rust-shooting-assistant-director-gun/index.html
>>(So if he hands someone a gun and says it's not loaded,he has no responsibility
>>for telling the truth?)
>
> Then the fuckhead shouldn't have touched the weapon. He should have been
> the armourer take responsibility for her job and had the weapon to
> Baldwin.
>
> On a stage play or movie set, I've just never heard of people who aren't
> the propmaster or part of the props crew hand anything to actors.

I'd still like to hear more about these "CoViD precautions" that
involved the weapons being left unattended on a table for the AD
to pick up rather than letting the armorer onto the set.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.