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Subject: Re: China, Uighurs and the West
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 by: bmoore - Mon, 10 Oct 2022 17:15 UTC

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:12:16 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:38:54 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:50:12 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:00:50 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:11:10 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:10:01 AM UTC, gera...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:14:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 5:21:46 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:49:24 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:22:02 PM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:57:16 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 7:14:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:43:25 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 2:01:16 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:29:17 AM UTC, wogw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:16:43 AM UTC, thiaw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/09/china-massive-crackdown-muslim-region
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Occasionally, the Wes would criticise Chinese treatment of the Uighurs. On each occasion, they do it to cover their own arse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most recent criticism immediately followed the slaughter of children in Yemen by USs' Muslim allies using US-supplied weapons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a bigger reason – to sour China's relationship with the Muslims world. China is getting closer to the Muslims. Its BRI covers many Muslim countries, from Pakistan through Central Asia to the Middle-east. The West sees this as an Achilles heel of the BRI. If it can mess up this relationship, a large portion of the BRI will flounder. It is not difficult. Just make up fake news about how China mistreats the Muslim within its territories, the Uighurs of Xinjiang in particular.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It never ends and never will, those US-led bullshits about the Uyghurs in China's Xinjiang. The people of Xinjiang will not be fooled. They know how lucky they are to be living in China. They are telling liar like Pompeo to F.O..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_oY0Kd6Q2s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy reveals a lot of US dirt on Xinjiang.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoyJEE_iwI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT1a-dCmv_I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Uighur activist Rushan Abbas is a US agent。 She had helped to interrogate Uighur prisoners held by the US in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Americans had killed Uighurs fighting in Afghanistan against the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An American General has admitted to using Uighur in Xinjiang to destabilise China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more of the US-led lies about the Uighurs in Xinjiang are being exposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2021/03/25/video-exposing-the-western-medias-lies-about-uyghur-genocide-in-china/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more people are expressing their disgusts at the US-led effort to demonise China
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2021-03/26/content_77349287.htm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its time the US stop its despicable act.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2kSjpF9HA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a typical US-trained Uighur used to smear China. She betrayed her own people by working with the US Army and against Uighurs held in the US torture center in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YufmvV6Gw
> > > > > > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west have learned nothing from the WMD invasion of Iraq on false pretense. Years later, they would admit their bullshit, but by then it'd be too late. Some observers have estimated the invasion of Iraq based on fraud and the ensuing trouble have killed a million people.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west think that any rubbish smears against China are acceptable. They are racists and dishonest.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/world/asia/china-xinjiang-women-births.html
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lengthy article, with many personal anecdotes of mistreatment by Han Chinese, without any pictures of those “victims” for verification.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One paragraph says it all.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > “To rights advocates and Western officials, the government’s repression in Xinjiang is tantamount to crimes against humanity and genocide, in large part because of the efforts to stem the population growth of Muslim minorities. The Trump administration in January was the first government to declare the crackdown a genocide, with reproductive oppression as a leading reason; the Biden administration affirmed the label in March.”
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If reproductive oppression is genocide, then so too would be marriage oppression. People marry to reproduce. Polygamy is one way to increase the reproduction rate. Islam permits polygamy. But polygamy is not allowed under US Federal Law. Muslims in US are not allowed to practice polygamy because it is banned under US Federal Law. This too is genocide of the Muslims.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Xinjiang is a region with large uninhabitable areas. It cannot sustain uncontrolled population growth. Allowing the Uigyur or any ethnic population to grow uninhibited will only endanger their existence. It will lead to geno-suicide, if there is such a word.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Its time to stop all those Western craps about Xinjiang. It is a well-governed Muslim majority region of China, much better than Islamic nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria which have all been turned into hell by the US-led West. The Muslims there have gone through so much deaths and destruction which continue to this day. Yet the US has not be hauled up to the UN to answer for genocides and crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least we have the Palestinians. Their sufferings are the worst among the Muslims. Right now, they are facing annihilation from the Israelis, again. If you want to know what is genocide, look at what the Palestinians are going through right now. They are being bombed to extinction. But the Americans say the Israelis are only defending themselves. If the Uighurs allow themselves to be manipulated by the Americans, they too will end up like the Palestinians.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is the US’s rule-based world we are all living in.
> > > > > > > > > > The Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang should open their eyes wide to look at what is happening to the Muslims in Palestine. Israel, a close ally of the US, is bombing the hell out of the Palestinians. The US reaction is that Israel has the right to defend itself. The US is not concerned about the lives of Muslim Palestinians, leave alone their “freedom and human rights”.
> > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well said. The US and the spineless EU, Canada and Australia care so much about the "plight" of Uighur Muslims, who are forced to enjoy their peace and prosperity, but the imperialist west do not give a shit and are complicit to Israel's slaughter of fellow Muslims in Israel and Gaza (grotesquely re-shaped as "self-defence"). This western bullshit stands out like a very sore thumb. The world have eyes and can see.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nearer home to Xinjiang, just across the border in Jammu-Kashmir, its the same story. India, another close ally of the US, has annexed Jammu-Kashmir by force. Muslims there have no “freedom and human rights”. They risk being killed by Indian soldiers everyday of their lives. Western reporters don’t write about it because they don’t want the world to know about it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Does the the US-led West really care about the “freedom and human rights” of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang when it doesn’t give a shit about Muslim lives anywhere in the world?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why should those Christian Whites in the West give a shit about Muslims in China? All that they want is to use those Muslims in their confrontation against China. They want to use the Uighurs to create trouble for China in order to weaken China. How much the Uighurs will suffer, how much Uighur blood will flow, how many Uighur lives will be lost, they don’t give a shit.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Uighurs better be smart. They must see through the evil intentions of the Westerners. Instead of being used by the Westerners to fight the Chinese, they should accept the training provided by the Chinese. They should use the opportunity to acquire knowledge and learn some skills to make themselves become useful human beings living fruitful lives. The alternative is to become cannon fodders for those Western scums.
> > > > > > > > The latest US narrative on Xinjiang is genocide. It is trying to stick the label on China. That's just another US big bullshit. The US is the most genocidal nation in the world. The world has not forgotten how it decimated its native Indians. The Uigyur population is increasing. In fact, that's true of all ethnic minorities. They were exempted when China pursued a one-child policy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese have big development plan for Xinjiang. Better infrastructure like roads, rails and HSRs. Solar energy farms. Turning deserts to arable land. Channeling water from other parts of China. All these, and more, will create massive number of jobs, which require skills. The Uighurs should go through government-initiated training programs to acquire these skills. These will lead them to a better life.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Damned Americans only think about how to agitate the Uigyurs to create trouble for the Chinese government. The Uigyurs will be damned fools to fall for that.
> > > > > > > In the Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century, the US will use all means to weaken China. One way is to create internal conflicts within China. Among the internal conflicts would be ethnic conflicts. This is especially easy in regions where the Hans are a minority. Just stir up the needs for independence and separation among the non-Han majorities. Xinjiang is one such region. Terrorism is one convenient tactic.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The West has been organising terrorism against China in Xinjiang for decades now. Their modus operandi - sneak in agents to train local terrorists, recruit Uighurs overseas for terrorists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After their trainees have carried out acts of terrorism in China, Westerners show no sympathy for the Chinese victims. Instead they warn the Chinese government against using terrorism as excuses to suppress the Uigyurs!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Chinese don’t give a shit about those warnings. They carry out their anti-terrorism campaigns in a large scale, well organised manner. They set up centers to provide education and trainings for the Uighurs. These provide the Uighurs with useful knowledge and skills. Anywhere else in the world this would be hailed as Human Capital Development. People in many parts of the world wish that their government too would have such programs for them. But not the Westerners because they realise that this is a very effective way to counter their ill-intentions against China. They are dead set against this because it kills off their sources of recruitment for terrorists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They work up the world against China. Their politicians and political press spew fake news, disinformation and all sorts of lies about the Chinese anti-terrorism campaigns. Those educational and training centers were first disparaged as internment camps and later demonised as concentration camps. This is not enough. To catch the world’s attention, they further accuse the Chinese of reducing Uigyurs population through ethnic cleansing and genocide.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Chinese could not leave such wild accusations unchallenged. National leaders from the Muslims World were invited to visit Xinjiang. They saw no such things. Instead of all those Western vicious lies, they witnessed political stability, economic developments, social harmony and religious freedom among the various ethnicity in Xinjiang. Instead of ethnic genocide, the Uighurs population continue to grow with new births and increasing life expectancy. They went away satisfied that their fellow Muslims in Xinjiang were well taken care of.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But not those evil Westerners. They were not satisfied. They continued to work through the UN. They forced the Chinese to accept visits by UN experts. Those who returned without evidence to fit those Westerners lies were dismissed as having been fooled by the Chinese.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After incessant efforts, they have found another UN official – the latest UN Commissioner for Human Rights. She visited Xinjiang, returned and made a report. Strange things happened. She announced her resignation from her post before her report went public. Why? Has she been forced to write the report against her conscience?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From her report, in line with the Western lies, China has committed violations of human rights and even a possible crime against humanity.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > People of the world will not be fooled. They know who have committed the most crimes against humanity. Europeans genocides against Native Indians in the Americas. In more recent history, Americans invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq like cake walks, resulting in deaths in the millions and destruction on a scale beyond imagination. But not a single American has been charged for any crime.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Western allies too are committing crimes against humanity while oppressing their Muslims. For examples, the Israelis in Palestine and the Indians in Jammu-Kashmir, which is just across the border from Xinjiang.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not forgetting America which itself today is a land of sufferings. Everyday, there are victims of crimes of all sorts. Many, including innocent children, are killed by guns. Over a million have been killed by the COVID-19 pandemic. Are these not violations of human rights and crimes against humanity?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is the kind of rule-based world order the West wants the world to live in. One where Westerners and their allies can do no wrong while others can do no right.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Chinese should have nothing to worry about this latest report. Or more to come. While being obsessed with weakening China, nations of the West are ignoring their own growing weaknesses. One day their nations will cave-in while China will remain standing tall.
> > > > > > Those bullshits of the Americans and their Western allies are getting bigger and stinkier. They may believe that they have the might to set a narrative on any nation and make it stick, but people in the world are not as ignorant as they would want to believe. Even when the world is two decades into the 21st century, the American and their Western allies still possess colonies around the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where in the world do people need independence, freedom and human rights today? Not in Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang. There are many other places. Let’s just consider three under US control and/or influence - Hawaii, Okinawa and Diego Garcia. People in the world, especially people in these three places, still remember their losses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Native Hawaiians have not forgotten how they have lost their land to the Americans. They still crave for those days when they had an independent kingdom.
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2MBnw6RlY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What is today referred to as the Japanese Prefecture of Okinawa was once an independent kingdom known as Luu Chuu(琉球) in local language and Ryukyu in Japanese. It was invaded by the Japs before WW1 and captured by the Americans during WW2. During that period, the people of Luu Chuu suffered atrocities of the most extreme type from their Japs occupiers. Despite this, the American handed the people of Luu Chuu back to their Japs tormentors in 1972 in exchange for the rights to establish military bases there. This was done without seeking any consent from the people of Luu Chuu.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWYNYjdAxDU
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Know more :
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+kajiwara
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Diego Garcia, the Brits and the Americans worked together to get rid of every one of the natives in the archipelago so that it could be used as a military base. The UN has ruled that the natives should be allowed to return to their original home. The Yanks and the Brits don’t give a shit about that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNfXK6QpqY
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EymGBTl-A
> > > > > > https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2022/08/the-last-colony-britain-colonial-legacy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the UN wants to look for violations of human rights and crime against humanity, they should start looking at the above places first. The Americans and their Western allies should stop their despicable lies and hypocrisies. What they are doing about Xinjiang now through the UN is no different from what they did to Iraq in 2003. Then, the American Secretary of State Colin Powell went to the UN to boldly lie to the whole world about Iraq being in possession of WMD. Failing that, even without UN approval, the Americans and their Western allies formed an armed coalition to invade Iraq and then boasted that it was as easy as a cakewalk. Now, again through the UN, they force the UN Commissioner on Human Rights to boldly lie to the whole world about what China has done to its minority Uighurs. If China today were to be as small and weak as Iraq then, based on a lie, the Americans and their Western allies would form another coalition, most appropriately “The Coalition of Lying Bastards”, to invade China. But they can’t. They are going to make China pay in other ways.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is time the Chinese stop fighting those damned lies diplomatically. China should abandon its defensive postures and go on the offensive instead. The Chinese should infiltrate existing Americans and Western colonies, train and arm the natives and organise them into a force to fight for their Freedom. It’s back to the Cold War days of Peoples’ Liberation Fronts and Peoples' Liberation Movements!
> > > > > Defeated. The UN Resolution to debate on Xinjiang, China.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly23ibPPnzY
> > > > >
> > > > > This should let the US and its faithful dogs know that the world cannot be easily fooled.
> > > > The UN Human Rights Council rejected a motion led by mostly western countries intending to
> > > > defame China's effort to improve the living-hood of Uyghur Muslims. The rejection signifies
> > > > world wide awareness on Western hypocrisy.
> > > And, as always... you're not fooling anyone.
> > Here's the actual vote. All of the abstainers are getting a lot of development money from China.
> >
> > https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330/photo/1
> Seriously, it is presumptuous to say this.


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 by: stoney - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 06:13 UTC

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:15:55 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:12:16 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:38:54 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:50:12 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:00:50 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:11:10 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:10:01 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:14:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 5:21:46 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:49:24 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:22:02 PM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:57:16 AM UTC, wakal....@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 7:14:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:43:25 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 2:01:16 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:29:17 AM UTC, wogw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:16:43 AM UTC, thiaw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/09/china-massive-crackdown-muslim-region
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Occasionally, the Wes would criticise Chinese treatment of the Uighurs. On each occasion, they do it to cover their own arse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most recent criticism immediately followed the slaughter of children in Yemen by USs' Muslim allies using US-supplied weapons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a bigger reason – to sour China's relationship with the Muslims world. China is getting closer to the Muslims. Its BRI covers many Muslim countries, from Pakistan through Central Asia to the Middle-east. The West sees this as an Achilles heel of the BRI. If it can mess up this relationship, a large portion of the BRI will flounder. It is not difficult. Just make up fake news about how China mistreats the Muslim within its territories, the Uighurs of Xinjiang in particular.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It never ends and never will, those US-led bullshits about the Uyghurs in China's Xinjiang. The people of Xinjiang will not be fooled. They know how lucky they are to be living in China. They are telling liar like Pompeo to F.O..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_oY0Kd6Q2s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy reveals a lot of US dirt on Xinjiang.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoyJEE_iwI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT1a-dCmv_I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Uighur activist Rushan Abbas is a US agent。 She had helped to interrogate Uighur prisoners held by the US in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Americans had killed Uighurs fighting in Afghanistan against the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An American General has admitted to using Uighur in Xinjiang to destabilise China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more of the US-led lies about the Uighurs in Xinjiang are being exposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2021/03/25/video-exposing-the-western-medias-lies-about-uyghur-genocide-in-china/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more people are expressing their disgusts at the US-led effort to demonise China
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2021-03/26/content_77349287.htm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its time the US stop its despicable act.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2kSjpF9HA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a typical US-trained Uighur used to smear China. She betrayed her own people by working with the US Army and against Uighurs held in the US torture center in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YufmvV6Gw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west have learned nothing from the WMD invasion of Iraq on false pretense. Years later, they would admit their bullshit, but by then it'd be too late. Some observers have estimated the invasion of Iraq based on fraud and the ensuing trouble have killed a million people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west think that any rubbish smears against China are acceptable. They are racists and dishonest.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/world/asia/china-xinjiang-women-births.html
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lengthy article, with many personal anecdotes of mistreatment by Han Chinese, without any pictures of those “victims” for verification.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > One paragraph says it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > “To rights advocates and Western officials, the government’s repression in Xinjiang is tantamount to crimes against humanity and genocide, in large part because of the efforts to stem the population growth of Muslim minorities. The Trump administration in January was the first government to declare the crackdown a genocide, with reproductive oppression as a leading reason; the Biden administration affirmed the label in March.”
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If reproductive oppression is genocide, then so too would be marriage oppression. People marry to reproduce. Polygamy is one way to increase the reproduction rate. Islam permits polygamy. But polygamy is not allowed under US Federal Law. Muslims in US are not allowed to practice polygamy because it is banned under US Federal Law. This too is genocide of the Muslims.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Xinjiang is a region with large uninhabitable areas.. It cannot sustain uncontrolled population growth. Allowing the Uigyur or any ethnic population to grow uninhibited will only endanger their existence. It will lead to geno-suicide, if there is such a word.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Its time to stop all those Western craps about Xinjiang. It is a well-governed Muslim majority region of China, much better than Islamic nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria which have all been turned into hell by the US-led West. The Muslims there have gone through so much deaths and destruction which continue to this day. Yet the US has not be hauled up to the UN to answer for genocides and crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least we have the Palestinians. Their sufferings are the worst among the Muslims. Right now, they are facing annihilation from the Israelis, again. If you want to know what is genocide, look at what the Palestinians are going through right now. They are being bombed to extinction. But the Americans say the Israelis are only defending themselves. If the Uighurs allow themselves to be manipulated by the Americans, they too will end up like the Palestinians.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is the US’s rule-based world we are all living in.
> > > > > > > > > > > The Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang should open their eyes wide to look at what is happening to the Muslims in Palestine. Israel, a close ally of the US, is bombing the hell out of the Palestinians. The US reaction is that Israel has the right to defend itself. The US is not concerned about the lives of Muslim Palestinians, leave alone their “freedom and human rights”.
> > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well said. The US and the spineless EU, Canada and Australia care so much about the "plight" of Uighur Muslims, who are forced to enjoy their peace and prosperity, but the imperialist west do not give a shit and are complicit to Israel's slaughter of fellow Muslims in Israel and Gaza (grotesquely re-shaped as "self-defence"). This western bullshit stands out like a very sore thumb. The world have eyes and can see.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nearer home to Xinjiang, just across the border in Jammu-Kashmir, its the same story. India, another close ally of the US, has annexed Jammu-Kashmir by force. Muslims there have no “freedom and human rights”. They risk being killed by Indian soldiers everyday of their lives. Western reporters don’t write about it because they don’t want the world to know about it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Does the the US-led West really care about the “freedom and human rights” of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang when it doesn’t give a shit about Muslim lives anywhere in the world?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Why should those Christian Whites in the West give a shit about Muslims in China? All that they want is to use those Muslims in their confrontation against China. They want to use the Uighurs to create trouble for China in order to weaken China. How much the Uighurs will suffer, how much Uighur blood will flow, how many Uighur lives will be lost, they don’t give a shit.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Uighurs better be smart. They must see through the evil intentions of the Westerners. Instead of being used by the Westerners to fight the Chinese, they should accept the training provided by the Chinese. They should use the opportunity to acquire knowledge and learn some skills to make themselves become useful human beings living fruitful lives. The alternative is to become cannon fodders for those Western scums.
> > > > > > > > > The latest US narrative on Xinjiang is genocide. It is trying to stick the label on China. That's just another US big bullshit. The US is the most genocidal nation in the world. The world has not forgotten how it decimated its native Indians. The Uigyur population is increasing. In fact, that's true of all ethnic minorities. They were exempted when China pursued a one-child policy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese have big development plan for Xinjiang. Better infrastructure like roads, rails and HSRs. Solar energy farms. Turning deserts to arable land. Channeling water from other parts of China. All these, and more, will create massive number of jobs, which require skills. The Uighurs should go through government-initiated training programs to acquire these skills. These will lead them to a better life.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Damned Americans only think about how to agitate the Uigyurs to create trouble for the Chinese government. The Uigyurs will be damned fools to fall for that.
> > > > > > > > In the Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century, the US will use all means to weaken China. One way is to create internal conflicts within China. Among the internal conflicts would be ethnic conflicts. This is especially easy in regions where the Hans are a minority. Just stir up the needs for independence and separation among the non-Han majorities. Xinjiang is one such region. Terrorism is one convenient tactic.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The West has been organising terrorism against China in Xinjiang for decades now. Their modus operandi - sneak in agents to train local terrorists, recruit Uighurs overseas for terrorists.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After their trainees have carried out acts of terrorism in China, Westerners show no sympathy for the Chinese victims. Instead they warn the Chinese government against using terrorism as excuses to suppress the Uigyurs!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese don’t give a shit about those warnings. They carry out their anti-terrorism campaigns in a large scale, well organised manner. They set up centers to provide education and trainings for the Uighurs. These provide the Uighurs with useful knowledge and skills. Anywhere else in the world this would be hailed as Human Capital Development. People in many parts of the world wish that their government too would have such programs for them. But not the Westerners because they realise that this is a very effective way to counter their ill-intentions against China. They are dead set against this because it kills off their sources of recruitment for terrorists.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They work up the world against China. Their politicians and political press spew fake news, disinformation and all sorts of lies about the Chinese anti-terrorism campaigns. Those educational and training centers were first disparaged as internment camps and later demonised as concentration camps. This is not enough. To catch the world’s attention, they further accuse the Chinese of reducing Uigyurs population through ethnic cleansing and genocide.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese could not leave such wild accusations unchallenged. National leaders from the Muslims World were invited to visit Xinjiang.. They saw no such things. Instead of all those Western vicious lies, they witnessed political stability, economic developments, social harmony and religious freedom among the various ethnicity in Xinjiang. Instead of ethnic genocide, the Uighurs population continue to grow with new births and increasing life expectancy. They went away satisfied that their fellow Muslims in Xinjiang were well taken care of.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But not those evil Westerners. They were not satisfied. They continued to work through the UN. They forced the Chinese to accept visits by UN experts. Those who returned without evidence to fit those Westerners lies were dismissed as having been fooled by the Chinese.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After incessant efforts, they have found another UN official – the latest UN Commissioner for Human Rights. She visited Xinjiang, returned and made a report. Strange things happened. She announced her resignation from her post before her report went public. Why? Has she been forced to write the report against her conscience?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From her report, in line with the Western lies, China has committed violations of human rights and even a possible crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > People of the world will not be fooled. They know who have committed the most crimes against humanity. Europeans genocides against Native Indians in the Americas. In more recent history, Americans invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq like cake walks, resulting in deaths in the millions and destruction on a scale beyond imagination. But not a single American has been charged for any crime.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Western allies too are committing crimes against humanity while oppressing their Muslims. For examples, the Israelis in Palestine and the Indians in Jammu-Kashmir, which is just across the border from Xinjiang..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not forgetting America which itself today is a land of sufferings. Everyday, there are victims of crimes of all sorts. Many, including innocent children, are killed by guns. Over a million have been killed by the COVID-19 pandemic. Are these not violations of human rights and crimes against humanity?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is the kind of rule-based world order the West wants the world to live in. One where Westerners and their allies can do no wrong while others can do no right.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese should have nothing to worry about this latest report. Or more to come. While being obsessed with weakening China, nations of the West are ignoring their own growing weaknesses. One day their nations will cave-in while China will remain standing tall.
> > > > > > > Those bullshits of the Americans and their Western allies are getting bigger and stinkier. They may believe that they have the might to set a narrative on any nation and make it stick, but people in the world are not as ignorant as they would want to believe. Even when the world is two decades into the 21st century, the American and their Western allies still possess colonies around the world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where in the world do people need independence, freedom and human rights today? Not in Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang. There are many other places. Let’s just consider three under US control and/or influence - Hawaii, Okinawa and Diego Garcia. People in the world, especially people in these three places, still remember their losses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Native Hawaiians have not forgotten how they have lost their land to the Americans. They still crave for those days when they had an independent kingdom.
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2MBnw6RlY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is today referred to as the Japanese Prefecture of Okinawa was once an independent kingdom known as Luu Chuu(琉球) in local language and Ryukyu in Japanese. It was invaded by the Japs before WW1 and captured by the Americans during WW2. During that period, the people of Luu Chuu suffered atrocities of the most extreme type from their Japs occupiers. Despite this, the American handed the people of Luu Chuu back to their Japs tormentors in 1972 in exchange for the rights to establish military bases there. This was done without seeking any consent from the people of Luu Chuu.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWYNYjdAxDU
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Know more :
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+kajiwara
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Diego Garcia, the Brits and the Americans worked together to get rid of every one of the natives in the archipelago so that it could be used as a military base. The UN has ruled that the natives should be allowed to return to their original home. The Yanks and the Brits don’t give a shit about that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNfXK6QpqY
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EymGBTl-A
> > > > > > > https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2022/08/the-last-colony-britain-colonial-legacy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the UN wants to look for violations of human rights and crime against humanity, they should start looking at the above places first. The Americans and their Western allies should stop their despicable lies and hypocrisies. What they are doing about Xinjiang now through the UN is no different from what they did to Iraq in 2003. Then, the American Secretary of State Colin Powell went to the UN to boldly lie to the whole world about Iraq being in possession of WMD. Failing that, even without UN approval, the Americans and their Western allies formed an armed coalition to invade Iraq and then boasted that it was as easy as a cakewalk. Now, again through the UN, they force the UN Commissioner on Human Rights to boldly lie to the whole world about what China has done to its minority Uighurs. If China today were to be as small and weak as Iraq then, based on a lie, the Americans and their Western allies would form another coalition, most appropriately “The Coalition of Lying Bastards”, to invade China. But they can’t. They are going to make China pay in other ways.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is time the Chinese stop fighting those damned lies diplomatically. China should abandon its defensive postures and go on the offensive instead. The Chinese should infiltrate existing Americans and Western colonies, train and arm the natives and organise them into a force to fight for their Freedom. It’s back to the Cold War days of Peoples’ Liberation Fronts and Peoples' Liberation Movements!
> > > > > > Defeated. The UN Resolution to debate on Xinjiang, China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly23ibPPnzY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This should let the US and its faithful dogs know that the world cannot be easily fooled.
> > > > > The UN Human Rights Council rejected a motion led by mostly western countries intending to
> > > > > defame China's effort to improve the living-hood of Uyghur Muslims. The rejection signifies
> > > > > world wide awareness on Western hypocrisy.
> > > > And, as always... you're not fooling anyone.
> > > Here's the actual vote. All of the abstainers are getting a lot of development money from China.
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330/photo/1
> > Seriously, it is presumptuous to say this.
> Why? Do you deny that China gives out a lot of money to get allies?
>
> If China hadn't bought off the abstainers it would have passed easily. Money talks.
> >If you look at EU, the entire EU voted "yes".
> Yes, China could not buy them off.
>
> >It goes to show those EU countries in EU voted "yes" were ordered by EU and EU was forced by US as NATO.
>
> No evidence of that.


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 by: stoney - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 17:23 UTC

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:15:55 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:12:16 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:38:54 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:50:12 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:00:50 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:11:10 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:10:01 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:14:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 5:21:46 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:49:24 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:22:02 PM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:57:16 AM UTC, wakal....@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 7:14:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:43:25 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 2:01:16 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:29:17 AM UTC, wogw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:16:43 AM UTC, thiaw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/09/china-massive-crackdown-muslim-region
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Occasionally, the Wes would criticise Chinese treatment of the Uighurs. On each occasion, they do it to cover their own arse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most recent criticism immediately followed the slaughter of children in Yemen by USs' Muslim allies using US-supplied weapons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a bigger reason – to sour China's relationship with the Muslims world. China is getting closer to the Muslims. Its BRI covers many Muslim countries, from Pakistan through Central Asia to the Middle-east. The West sees this as an Achilles heel of the BRI. If it can mess up this relationship, a large portion of the BRI will flounder. It is not difficult. Just make up fake news about how China mistreats the Muslim within its territories, the Uighurs of Xinjiang in particular.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It never ends and never will, those US-led bullshits about the Uyghurs in China's Xinjiang. The people of Xinjiang will not be fooled. They know how lucky they are to be living in China. They are telling liar like Pompeo to F.O..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_oY0Kd6Q2s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy reveals a lot of US dirt on Xinjiang.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoyJEE_iwI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT1a-dCmv_I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Uighur activist Rushan Abbas is a US agent。 She had helped to interrogate Uighur prisoners held by the US in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Americans had killed Uighurs fighting in Afghanistan against the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An American General has admitted to using Uighur in Xinjiang to destabilise China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more of the US-led lies about the Uighurs in Xinjiang are being exposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2021/03/25/video-exposing-the-western-medias-lies-about-uyghur-genocide-in-china/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more people are expressing their disgusts at the US-led effort to demonise China
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2021-03/26/content_77349287.htm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its time the US stop its despicable act.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2kSjpF9HA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a typical US-trained Uighur used to smear China. She betrayed her own people by working with the US Army and against Uighurs held in the US torture center in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YufmvV6Gw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west have learned nothing from the WMD invasion of Iraq on false pretense. Years later, they would admit their bullshit, but by then it'd be too late. Some observers have estimated the invasion of Iraq based on fraud and the ensuing trouble have killed a million people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west think that any rubbish smears against China are acceptable. They are racists and dishonest.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/world/asia/china-xinjiang-women-births.html
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lengthy article, with many personal anecdotes of mistreatment by Han Chinese, without any pictures of those “victims” for verification.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > One paragraph says it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > “To rights advocates and Western officials, the government’s repression in Xinjiang is tantamount to crimes against humanity and genocide, in large part because of the efforts to stem the population growth of Muslim minorities. The Trump administration in January was the first government to declare the crackdown a genocide, with reproductive oppression as a leading reason; the Biden administration affirmed the label in March.”
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If reproductive oppression is genocide, then so too would be marriage oppression. People marry to reproduce. Polygamy is one way to increase the reproduction rate. Islam permits polygamy. But polygamy is not allowed under US Federal Law. Muslims in US are not allowed to practice polygamy because it is banned under US Federal Law. This too is genocide of the Muslims.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Xinjiang is a region with large uninhabitable areas.. It cannot sustain uncontrolled population growth. Allowing the Uigyur or any ethnic population to grow uninhibited will only endanger their existence. It will lead to geno-suicide, if there is such a word.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Its time to stop all those Western craps about Xinjiang. It is a well-governed Muslim majority region of China, much better than Islamic nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria which have all been turned into hell by the US-led West. The Muslims there have gone through so much deaths and destruction which continue to this day. Yet the US has not be hauled up to the UN to answer for genocides and crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least we have the Palestinians. Their sufferings are the worst among the Muslims. Right now, they are facing annihilation from the Israelis, again. If you want to know what is genocide, look at what the Palestinians are going through right now. They are being bombed to extinction. But the Americans say the Israelis are only defending themselves. If the Uighurs allow themselves to be manipulated by the Americans, they too will end up like the Palestinians.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is the US’s rule-based world we are all living in.
> > > > > > > > > > > The Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang should open their eyes wide to look at what is happening to the Muslims in Palestine. Israel, a close ally of the US, is bombing the hell out of the Palestinians. The US reaction is that Israel has the right to defend itself. The US is not concerned about the lives of Muslim Palestinians, leave alone their “freedom and human rights”.
> > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well said. The US and the spineless EU, Canada and Australia care so much about the "plight" of Uighur Muslims, who are forced to enjoy their peace and prosperity, but the imperialist west do not give a shit and are complicit to Israel's slaughter of fellow Muslims in Israel and Gaza (grotesquely re-shaped as "self-defence"). This western bullshit stands out like a very sore thumb. The world have eyes and can see.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Nearer home to Xinjiang, just across the border in Jammu-Kashmir, its the same story. India, another close ally of the US, has annexed Jammu-Kashmir by force. Muslims there have no “freedom and human rights”. They risk being killed by Indian soldiers everyday of their lives. Western reporters don’t write about it because they don’t want the world to know about it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Does the the US-led West really care about the “freedom and human rights” of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang when it doesn’t give a shit about Muslim lives anywhere in the world?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Why should those Christian Whites in the West give a shit about Muslims in China? All that they want is to use those Muslims in their confrontation against China. They want to use the Uighurs to create trouble for China in order to weaken China. How much the Uighurs will suffer, how much Uighur blood will flow, how many Uighur lives will be lost, they don’t give a shit.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Uighurs better be smart. They must see through the evil intentions of the Westerners. Instead of being used by the Westerners to fight the Chinese, they should accept the training provided by the Chinese. They should use the opportunity to acquire knowledge and learn some skills to make themselves become useful human beings living fruitful lives. The alternative is to become cannon fodders for those Western scums.
> > > > > > > > > The latest US narrative on Xinjiang is genocide. It is trying to stick the label on China. That's just another US big bullshit. The US is the most genocidal nation in the world. The world has not forgotten how it decimated its native Indians. The Uigyur population is increasing. In fact, that's true of all ethnic minorities. They were exempted when China pursued a one-child policy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese have big development plan for Xinjiang. Better infrastructure like roads, rails and HSRs. Solar energy farms. Turning deserts to arable land. Channeling water from other parts of China. All these, and more, will create massive number of jobs, which require skills. The Uighurs should go through government-initiated training programs to acquire these skills. These will lead them to a better life.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Damned Americans only think about how to agitate the Uigyurs to create trouble for the Chinese government. The Uigyurs will be damned fools to fall for that.
> > > > > > > > In the Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century, the US will use all means to weaken China. One way is to create internal conflicts within China. Among the internal conflicts would be ethnic conflicts. This is especially easy in regions where the Hans are a minority. Just stir up the needs for independence and separation among the non-Han majorities. Xinjiang is one such region. Terrorism is one convenient tactic.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The West has been organising terrorism against China in Xinjiang for decades now. Their modus operandi - sneak in agents to train local terrorists, recruit Uighurs overseas for terrorists.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After their trainees have carried out acts of terrorism in China, Westerners show no sympathy for the Chinese victims. Instead they warn the Chinese government against using terrorism as excuses to suppress the Uigyurs!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese don’t give a shit about those warnings. They carry out their anti-terrorism campaigns in a large scale, well organised manner. They set up centers to provide education and trainings for the Uighurs. These provide the Uighurs with useful knowledge and skills. Anywhere else in the world this would be hailed as Human Capital Development. People in many parts of the world wish that their government too would have such programs for them. But not the Westerners because they realise that this is a very effective way to counter their ill-intentions against China. They are dead set against this because it kills off their sources of recruitment for terrorists.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They work up the world against China. Their politicians and political press spew fake news, disinformation and all sorts of lies about the Chinese anti-terrorism campaigns. Those educational and training centers were first disparaged as internment camps and later demonised as concentration camps. This is not enough. To catch the world’s attention, they further accuse the Chinese of reducing Uigyurs population through ethnic cleansing and genocide.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese could not leave such wild accusations unchallenged. National leaders from the Muslims World were invited to visit Xinjiang.. They saw no such things. Instead of all those Western vicious lies, they witnessed political stability, economic developments, social harmony and religious freedom among the various ethnicity in Xinjiang. Instead of ethnic genocide, the Uighurs population continue to grow with new births and increasing life expectancy. They went away satisfied that their fellow Muslims in Xinjiang were well taken care of.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But not those evil Westerners. They were not satisfied. They continued to work through the UN. They forced the Chinese to accept visits by UN experts. Those who returned without evidence to fit those Westerners lies were dismissed as having been fooled by the Chinese.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > After incessant efforts, they have found another UN official – the latest UN Commissioner for Human Rights. She visited Xinjiang, returned and made a report. Strange things happened. She announced her resignation from her post before her report went public. Why? Has she been forced to write the report against her conscience?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From her report, in line with the Western lies, China has committed violations of human rights and even a possible crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > People of the world will not be fooled. They know who have committed the most crimes against humanity. Europeans genocides against Native Indians in the Americas. In more recent history, Americans invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq like cake walks, resulting in deaths in the millions and destruction on a scale beyond imagination. But not a single American has been charged for any crime.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Western allies too are committing crimes against humanity while oppressing their Muslims. For examples, the Israelis in Palestine and the Indians in Jammu-Kashmir, which is just across the border from Xinjiang..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not forgetting America which itself today is a land of sufferings. Everyday, there are victims of crimes of all sorts. Many, including innocent children, are killed by guns. Over a million have been killed by the COVID-19 pandemic. Are these not violations of human rights and crimes against humanity?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is the kind of rule-based world order the West wants the world to live in. One where Westerners and their allies can do no wrong while others can do no right.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Chinese should have nothing to worry about this latest report. Or more to come. While being obsessed with weakening China, nations of the West are ignoring their own growing weaknesses. One day their nations will cave-in while China will remain standing tall.
> > > > > > > Those bullshits of the Americans and their Western allies are getting bigger and stinkier. They may believe that they have the might to set a narrative on any nation and make it stick, but people in the world are not as ignorant as they would want to believe. Even when the world is two decades into the 21st century, the American and their Western allies still possess colonies around the world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where in the world do people need independence, freedom and human rights today? Not in Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang. There are many other places. Let’s just consider three under US control and/or influence - Hawaii, Okinawa and Diego Garcia. People in the world, especially people in these three places, still remember their losses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Native Hawaiians have not forgotten how they have lost their land to the Americans. They still crave for those days when they had an independent kingdom.
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2MBnw6RlY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What is today referred to as the Japanese Prefecture of Okinawa was once an independent kingdom known as Luu Chuu(琉球) in local language and Ryukyu in Japanese. It was invaded by the Japs before WW1 and captured by the Americans during WW2. During that period, the people of Luu Chuu suffered atrocities of the most extreme type from their Japs occupiers. Despite this, the American handed the people of Luu Chuu back to their Japs tormentors in 1972 in exchange for the rights to establish military bases there. This was done without seeking any consent from the people of Luu Chuu.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWYNYjdAxDU
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Know more :
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+kajiwara
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Diego Garcia, the Brits and the Americans worked together to get rid of every one of the natives in the archipelago so that it could be used as a military base. The UN has ruled that the natives should be allowed to return to their original home. The Yanks and the Brits don’t give a shit about that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNfXK6QpqY
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EymGBTl-A
> > > > > > > https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2022/08/the-last-colony-britain-colonial-legacy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the UN wants to look for violations of human rights and crime against humanity, they should start looking at the above places first. The Americans and their Western allies should stop their despicable lies and hypocrisies. What they are doing about Xinjiang now through the UN is no different from what they did to Iraq in 2003. Then, the American Secretary of State Colin Powell went to the UN to boldly lie to the whole world about Iraq being in possession of WMD. Failing that, even without UN approval, the Americans and their Western allies formed an armed coalition to invade Iraq and then boasted that it was as easy as a cakewalk. Now, again through the UN, they force the UN Commissioner on Human Rights to boldly lie to the whole world about what China has done to its minority Uighurs. If China today were to be as small and weak as Iraq then, based on a lie, the Americans and their Western allies would form another coalition, most appropriately “The Coalition of Lying Bastards”, to invade China. But they can’t. They are going to make China pay in other ways.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is time the Chinese stop fighting those damned lies diplomatically. China should abandon its defensive postures and go on the offensive instead. The Chinese should infiltrate existing Americans and Western colonies, train and arm the natives and organise them into a force to fight for their Freedom. It’s back to the Cold War days of Peoples’ Liberation Fronts and Peoples' Liberation Movements!
> > > > > > Defeated. The UN Resolution to debate on Xinjiang, China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly23ibPPnzY
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This should let the US and its faithful dogs know that the world cannot be easily fooled.
> > > > > The UN Human Rights Council rejected a motion led by mostly western countries intending to
> > > > > defame China's effort to improve the living-hood of Uyghur Muslims. The rejection signifies
> > > > > world wide awareness on Western hypocrisy.
> > > > And, as always... you're not fooling anyone.
> > > Here's the actual vote. All of the abstainers are getting a lot of development money from China.
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330/photo/1
> > Seriously, it is presumptuous to say this.
> Why? Do you deny that China gives out a lot of money to get allies?
>
> If China hadn't bought off the abstainers it would have passed easily. Money talks.
> >If you look at EU, the entire EU voted "yes".
> Yes, China could not buy them off.
>
> >It goes to show those EU countries in EU voted "yes" were ordered by EU and EU was forced by US as NATO.
>
> No evidence of that.


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 by: bmoore - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 17:43 UTC

On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:23:57 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:15:55 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:12:16 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:38:54 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:50:12 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:00:50 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:11:10 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:10:01 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:14:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 5:21:46 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:49:24 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:22:02 PM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:57:16 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 7:14:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:43:25 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 2:01:16 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:29:17 AM UTC, wogw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:16:43 AM UTC, thiaw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/09/china-massive-crackdown-muslim-region
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Occasionally, the Wes would criticise Chinese treatment of the Uighurs. On each occasion, they do it to cover their own arse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most recent criticism immediately followed the slaughter of children in Yemen by USs' Muslim allies using US-supplied weapons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a bigger reason – to sour China's relationship with the Muslims world. China is getting closer to the Muslims. Its BRI covers many Muslim countries, from Pakistan through Central Asia to the Middle-east. The West sees this as an Achilles heel of the BRI. If it can mess up this relationship, a large portion of the BRI will flounder. It is not difficult. Just make up fake news about how China mistreats the Muslim within its territories, the Uighurs of Xinjiang in particular.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It never ends and never will, those US-led bullshits about the Uyghurs in China's Xinjiang. The people of Xinjiang will not be fooled. They know how lucky they are to be living in China. They are telling liar like Pompeo to F.O..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_oY0Kd6Q2s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy reveals a lot of US dirt on Xinjiang.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoyJEE_iwI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT1a-dCmv_I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Uighur activist Rushan Abbas is a US agent。 She had helped to interrogate Uighur prisoners held by the US in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Americans had killed Uighurs fighting in Afghanistan against the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An American General has admitted to using Uighur in Xinjiang to destabilise China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more of the US-led lies about the Uighurs in Xinjiang are being exposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2021/03/25/video-exposing-the-western-medias-lies-about-uyghur-genocide-in-china/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more people are expressing their disgusts at the US-led effort to demonise China
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2021-03/26/content_77349287.htm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its time the US stop its despicable act.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2kSjpF9HA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a typical US-trained Uighur used to smear China. She betrayed her own people by working with the US Army and against Uighurs held in the US torture center in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YufmvV6Gw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west have learned nothing from the WMD invasion of Iraq on false pretense. Years later, they would admit their bullshit, but by then it'd be too late. Some observers have estimated the invasion of Iraq based on fraud and the ensuing trouble have killed a million people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west think that any rubbish smears against China are acceptable. They are racists and dishonest.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/world/asia/china-xinjiang-women-births.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lengthy article, with many personal anecdotes of mistreatment by Han Chinese, without any pictures of those “victims” for verification.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > One paragraph says it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > “To rights advocates and Western officials, the government’s repression in Xinjiang is tantamount to crimes against humanity and genocide, in large part because of the efforts to stem the population growth of Muslim minorities. The Trump administration in January was the first government to declare the crackdown a genocide, with reproductive oppression as a leading reason; the Biden administration affirmed the label in March.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If reproductive oppression is genocide, then so too would be marriage oppression. People marry to reproduce. Polygamy is one way to increase the reproduction rate. Islam permits polygamy. But polygamy is not allowed under US Federal Law. Muslims in US are not allowed to practice polygamy because it is banned under US Federal Law. This too is genocide of the Muslims.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Xinjiang is a region with large uninhabitable areas. It cannot sustain uncontrolled population growth. Allowing the Uigyur or any ethnic population to grow uninhibited will only endanger their existence. It will lead to geno-suicide, if there is such a word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Its time to stop all those Western craps about Xinjiang. It is a well-governed Muslim majority region of China, much better than Islamic nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria which have all been turned into hell by the US-led West. The Muslims there have gone through so much deaths and destruction which continue to this day. Yet the US has not be hauled up to the UN to answer for genocides and crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least we have the Palestinians. Their sufferings are the worst among the Muslims. Right now, they are facing annihilation from the Israelis, again. If you want to know what is genocide, look at what the Palestinians are going through right now. They are being bombed to extinction. But the Americans say the Israelis are only defending themselves. If the Uighurs allow themselves to be manipulated by the Americans, they too will end up like the Palestinians.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the US’s rule-based world we are all living in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang should open their eyes wide to look at what is happening to the Muslims in Palestine. Israel, a close ally of the US, is bombing the hell out of the Palestinians. The US reaction is that Israel has the right to defend itself. The US is not concerned about the lives of Muslim Palestinians, leave alone their “freedom and human rights”.
> > > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Well said. The US and the spineless EU, Canada and Australia care so much about the "plight" of Uighur Muslims, who are forced to enjoy their peace and prosperity, but the imperialist west do not give a shit and are complicit to Israel's slaughter of fellow Muslims in Israel and Gaza (grotesquely re-shaped as "self-defence"). This western bullshit stands out like a very sore thumb. The world have eyes and can see.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Nearer home to Xinjiang, just across the border in Jammu-Kashmir, its the same story. India, another close ally of the US, has annexed Jammu-Kashmir by force. Muslims there have no “freedom and human rights”. They risk being killed by Indian soldiers everyday of their lives. Western reporters don’t write about it because they don’t want the world to know about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Does the the US-led West really care about the “freedom and human rights” of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang when it doesn’t give a shit about Muslim lives anywhere in the world?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Why should those Christian Whites in the West give a shit about Muslims in China? All that they want is to use those Muslims in their confrontation against China. They want to use the Uighurs to create trouble for China in order to weaken China. How much the Uighurs will suffer, how much Uighur blood will flow, how many Uighur lives will be lost, they don’t give a shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Uighurs better be smart. They must see through the evil intentions of the Westerners. Instead of being used by the Westerners to fight the Chinese, they should accept the training provided by the Chinese. They should use the opportunity to acquire knowledge and learn some skills to make themselves become useful human beings living fruitful lives.. The alternative is to become cannon fodders for those Western scums.
> > > > > > > > > > The latest US narrative on Xinjiang is genocide. It is trying to stick the label on China. That's just another US big bullshit. The US is the most genocidal nation in the world. The world has not forgotten how it decimated its native Indians. The Uigyur population is increasing. In fact, that's true of all ethnic minorities. They were exempted when China pursued a one-child policy.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Chinese have big development plan for Xinjiang. Better infrastructure like roads, rails and HSRs. Solar energy farms. Turning deserts to arable land. Channeling water from other parts of China. All these, and more, will create massive number of jobs, which require skills. The Uighurs should go through government-initiated training programs to acquire these skills. These will lead them to a better life.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Damned Americans only think about how to agitate the Uigyurs to create trouble for the Chinese government. The Uigyurs will be damned fools to fall for that.
> > > > > > > > > In the Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century, the US will use all means to weaken China. One way is to create internal conflicts within China. Among the internal conflicts would be ethnic conflicts. This is especially easy in regions where the Hans are a minority. Just stir up the needs for independence and separation among the non-Han majorities. Xinjiang is one such region. Terrorism is one convenient tactic.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The West has been organising terrorism against China in Xinjiang for decades now. Their modus operandi - sneak in agents to train local terrorists, recruit Uighurs overseas for terrorists.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > After their trainees have carried out acts of terrorism in China, Westerners show no sympathy for the Chinese victims. Instead they warn the Chinese government against using terrorism as excuses to suppress the Uigyurs!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese don’t give a shit about those warnings. They carry out their anti-terrorism campaigns in a large scale, well organised manner. They set up centers to provide education and trainings for the Uighurs. These provide the Uighurs with useful knowledge and skills. Anywhere else in the world this would be hailed as Human Capital Development. People in many parts of the world wish that their government too would have such programs for them. But not the Westerners because they realise that this is a very effective way to counter their ill-intentions against China. They are dead set against this because it kills off their sources of recruitment for terrorists.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They work up the world against China. Their politicians and political press spew fake news, disinformation and all sorts of lies about the Chinese anti-terrorism campaigns. Those educational and training centers were first disparaged as internment camps and later demonised as concentration camps. This is not enough. To catch the world’s attention, they further accuse the Chinese of reducing Uigyurs population through ethnic cleansing and genocide.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese could not leave such wild accusations unchallenged. National leaders from the Muslims World were invited to visit Xinjiang. They saw no such things. Instead of all those Western vicious lies, they witnessed political stability, economic developments, social harmony and religious freedom among the various ethnicity in Xinjiang. Instead of ethnic genocide, the Uighurs population continue to grow with new births and increasing life expectancy. They went away satisfied that their fellow Muslims in Xinjiang were well taken care of.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But not those evil Westerners. They were not satisfied. They continued to work through the UN. They forced the Chinese to accept visits by UN experts. Those who returned without evidence to fit those Westerners lies were dismissed as having been fooled by the Chinese.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > After incessant efforts, they have found another UN official – the latest UN Commissioner for Human Rights. She visited Xinjiang, returned and made a report. Strange things happened. She announced her resignation from her post before her report went public. Why? Has she been forced to write the report against her conscience?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From her report, in line with the Western lies, China has committed violations of human rights and even a possible crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > People of the world will not be fooled. They know who have committed the most crimes against humanity. Europeans genocides against Native Indians in the Americas. In more recent history, Americans invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq like cake walks, resulting in deaths in the millions and destruction on a scale beyond imagination. But not a single American has been charged for any crime.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Western allies too are committing crimes against humanity while oppressing their Muslims. For examples, the Israelis in Palestine and the Indians in Jammu-Kashmir, which is just across the border from Xinjiang.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not forgetting America which itself today is a land of sufferings. Everyday, there are victims of crimes of all sorts. Many, including innocent children, are killed by guns. Over a million have been killed by the COVID-19 pandemic. Are these not violations of human rights and crimes against humanity?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is the kind of rule-based world order the West wants the world to live in. One where Westerners and their allies can do no wrong while others can do no right.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese should have nothing to worry about this latest report. Or more to come. While being obsessed with weakening China, nations of the West are ignoring their own growing weaknesses. One day their nations will cave-in while China will remain standing tall.
> > > > > > > > Those bullshits of the Americans and their Western allies are getting bigger and stinkier. They may believe that they have the might to set a narrative on any nation and make it stick, but people in the world are not as ignorant as they would want to believe. Even when the world is two decades into the 21st century, the American and their Western allies still possess colonies around the world.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where in the world do people need independence, freedom and human rights today? Not in Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang. There are many other places. Let’s just consider three under US control and/or influence - Hawaii, Okinawa and Diego Garcia. People in the world, especially people in these three places, still remember their losses.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Native Hawaiians have not forgotten how they have lost their land to the Americans. They still crave for those days when they had an independent kingdom.
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2MBnw6RlY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What is today referred to as the Japanese Prefecture of Okinawa was once an independent kingdom known as Luu Chuu(琉球) in local language and Ryukyu in Japanese. It was invaded by the Japs before WW1 and captured by the Americans during WW2. During that period, the people of Luu Chuu suffered atrocities of the most extreme type from their Japs occupiers. Despite this, the American handed the people of Luu Chuu back to their Japs tormentors in 1972 in exchange for the rights to establish military bases there. This was done without seeking any consent from the people of Luu Chuu.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWYNYjdAxDU
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Know more :
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+kajiwara
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In Diego Garcia, the Brits and the Americans worked together to get rid of every one of the natives in the archipelago so that it could be used as a military base. The UN has ruled that the natives should be allowed to return to their original home. The Yanks and the Brits don’t give a shit about that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNfXK6QpqY
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EymGBTl-A
> > > > > > > > https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2022/08/the-last-colony-britain-colonial-legacy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the UN wants to look for violations of human rights and crime against humanity, they should start looking at the above places first.. The Americans and their Western allies should stop their despicable lies and hypocrisies. What they are doing about Xinjiang now through the UN is no different from what they did to Iraq in 2003. Then, the American Secretary of State Colin Powell went to the UN to boldly lie to the whole world about Iraq being in possession of WMD. Failing that, even without UN approval, the Americans and their Western allies formed an armed coalition to invade Iraq and then boasted that it was as easy as a cakewalk. Now, again through the UN, they force the UN Commissioner on Human Rights to boldly lie to the whole world about what China has done to its minority Uighurs. If China today were to be as small and weak as Iraq then, based on a lie, the Americans and their Western allies would form another coalition, most appropriately “The Coalition of Lying Bastards”, to invade China. But they can’t. They are going to make China pay in other ways.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is time the Chinese stop fighting those damned lies diplomatically. China should abandon its defensive postures and go on the offensive instead. The Chinese should infiltrate existing Americans and Western colonies, train and arm the natives and organise them into a force to fight for their Freedom. It’s back to the Cold War days of Peoples’ Liberation Fronts and Peoples' Liberation Movements!
> > > > > > > Defeated. The UN Resolution to debate on Xinjiang, China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly23ibPPnzY
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This should let the US and its faithful dogs know that the world cannot be easily fooled.
> > > > > > The UN Human Rights Council rejected a motion led by mostly western countries intending to
> > > > > > defame China's effort to improve the living-hood of Uyghur Muslims. The rejection signifies
> > > > > > world wide awareness on Western hypocrisy.
> > > > > And, as always... you're not fooling anyone.
> > > > Here's the actual vote. All of the abstainers are getting a lot of development money from China.
> > > >
> > > > https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330/photo/1
> > > Seriously, it is presumptuous to say this.
> > Why? Do you deny that China gives out a lot of money to get allies?
> >
> > If China hadn't bought off the abstainers it would have passed easily. Money talks.
> > >If you look at EU, the entire EU voted "yes".
> > Yes, China could not buy them off.
> >
> > >It goes to show those EU countries in EU voted "yes" were ordered by EU and EU was forced by US as NATO.
> >
> > No evidence of that.
> China doesn't give out money to them. The money is loan with low interest that include of the building of infrastructures for them. There is no free money at all. There is contracture return from the profits earned from it. Hence, their decision in their votes is based on their views that the vocational training and education will immensely beneficial to them than nothing to achieve for them in work contribution back to society and for themselves and family, too.


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 by: stoney - Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:36 UTC

On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 1:43:46 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:23:57 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 1:15:55 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:42:10 AM UTC-7, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:12:16 AM UTC+8, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:38:54 AM UTC-7, bmoore wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 6:50:12 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 7, 2022 at 10:00:50 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:11:10 AM UTC, paul polikos wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 4:10:01 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 2:14:58 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 5:21:46 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:49:24 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:22:02 PM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:57:16 AM UTC, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 8:58:36 PM UTC+8, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 7:14:34 AM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:43:25 AM UTC, gerard jud wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 2:01:16 PM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 6:29:17 AM UTC, wogw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:16:43 AM UTC, thiaw...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/09/09/china-massive-crackdown-muslim-region
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Occasionally, the Wes would criticise Chinese treatment of the Uighurs. On each occasion, they do it to cover their own arse.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most recent criticism immediately followed the slaughter of children in Yemen by USs' Muslim allies using US-supplied weapons.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a bigger reason – to sour China's relationship with the Muslims world. China is getting closer to the Muslims. Its BRI covers many Muslim countries, from Pakistan through Central Asia to the Middle-east. The West sees this as an Achilles heel of the BRI. If it can mess up this relationship, a large portion of the BRI will flounder. It is not difficult. Just make up fake news about how China mistreats the Muslim within its territories, the Uighurs of Xinjiang in particular.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It never ends and never will, those US-led bullshits about the Uyghurs in China's Xinjiang. The people of Xinjiang will not be fooled. They know how lucky they are to be living in China.. They are telling liar like Pompeo to F.O..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_oY0Kd6Q2s
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy reveals a lot of US dirt on Xinjiang.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFoyJEE_iwI
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT1a-dCmv_I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Uighur activist Rushan Abbas is a US agent。 She had helped to interrogate Uighur prisoners held by the US in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Americans had killed Uighurs fighting in Afghanistan against the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An American General has admitted to using Uighur in Xinjiang to destabilise China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more of the US-led lies about the Uighurs in Xinjiang are being exposed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://schillerinstitute.com/blog/2021/03/25/video-exposing-the-western-medias-lies-about-uyghur-genocide-in-china/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More and more people are expressing their disgusts at the US-led effort to demonise China
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_Wire/2021-03/26/content_77349287.htm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its time the US stop its despicable act..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's one more.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v2kSjpF9HA
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a typical US-trained Uighur used to smear China. She betrayed her own people by working with the US Army and against Uighurs held in the US torture center in Guantanamo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4YufmvV6Gw
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west have learned nothing from the WMD invasion of Iraq on false pretense. Years later, they would admit their bullshit, but by then it'd be too late. Some observers have estimated the invasion of Iraq based on fraud and the ensuing trouble have killed a million people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans and the west think that any rubbish smears against China are acceptable. They are racists and dishonest.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/10/world/asia/china-xinjiang-women-births.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lengthy article, with many personal anecdotes of mistreatment by Han Chinese, without any pictures of those “victims” for verification.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One paragraph says it all.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > “To rights advocates and Western officials, the government’s repression in Xinjiang is tantamount to crimes against humanity and genocide, in large part because of the efforts to stem the population growth of Muslim minorities. The Trump administration in January was the first government to declare the crackdown a genocide, with reproductive oppression as a leading reason; the Biden administration affirmed the label in March.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If reproductive oppression is genocide, then so too would be marriage oppression. People marry to reproduce. Polygamy is one way to increase the reproduction rate. Islam permits polygamy. But polygamy is not allowed under US Federal Law. Muslims in US are not allowed to practice polygamy because it is banned under US Federal Law. This too is genocide of the Muslims.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Xinjiang is a region with large uninhabitable areas. It cannot sustain uncontrolled population growth. Allowing the Uigyur or any ethnic population to grow uninhibited will only endanger their existence. It will lead to geno-suicide, if there is such a word.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its time to stop all those Western craps about Xinjiang. It is a well-governed Muslim majority region of China, much better than Islamic nations like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria which have all been turned into hell by the US-led West. The Muslims there have gone through so much deaths and destruction which continue to this day. Yet the US has not be hauled up to the UN to answer for genocides and crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least we have the Palestinians. Their sufferings are the worst among the Muslims. Right now, they are facing annihilation from the Israelis, again. If you want to know what is genocide, look at what the Palestinians are going through right now. They are being bombed to extinction. But the Americans say the Israelis are only defending themselves. If the Uighurs allow themselves to be manipulated by the Americans, they too will end up like the Palestinians.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the US’s rule-based world we are all living in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang should open their eyes wide to look at what is happening to the Muslims in Palestine. Israel, a close ally of the US, is bombing the hell out of the Palestinians. The US reaction is that Israel has the right to defend itself. The US is not concerned about the lives of Muslim Palestinians, leave alone their “freedom and human rights”.
> > > > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well said. The US and the spineless EU, Canada and Australia care so much about the "plight" of Uighur Muslims, who are forced to enjoy their peace and prosperity, but the imperialist west do not give a shit and are complicit to Israel's slaughter of fellow Muslims in Israel and Gaza (grotesquely re-shaped as "self-defence"). This western bullshit stands out like a very sore thumb. The world have eyes and can see.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wakalukong
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --------
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nearer home to Xinjiang, just across the border in Jammu-Kashmir, its the same story. India, another close ally of the US, has annexed Jammu-Kashmir by force. Muslims there have no “freedom and human rights”. They risk being killed by Indian soldiers everyday of their lives. Western reporters don’t write about it because they don’t want the world to know about it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does the the US-led West really care about the “freedom and human rights” of Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang when it doesn’t give a shit about Muslim lives anywhere in the world?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should those Christian Whites in the West give a shit about Muslims in China? All that they want is to use those Muslims in their confrontation against China. They want to use the Uighurs to create trouble for China in order to weaken China. How much the Uighurs will suffer, how much Uighur blood will flow, how many Uighur lives will be lost, they don’t give a shit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Uighurs better be smart. They must see through the evil intentions of the Westerners. Instead of being used by the Westerners to fight the Chinese, they should accept the training provided by the Chinese. They should use the opportunity to acquire knowledge and learn some skills to make themselves become useful human beings living fruitful lives. The alternative is to become cannon fodders for those Western scums.
> > > > > > > > > > > The latest US narrative on Xinjiang is genocide. It is trying to stick the label on China. That's just another US big bullshit. The US is the most genocidal nation in the world. The world has not forgotten how it decimated its native Indians. The Uigyur population is increasing.. In fact, that's true of all ethnic minorities. They were exempted when China pursued a one-child policy.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Chinese have big development plan for Xinjiang. Better infrastructure like roads, rails and HSRs. Solar energy farms. Turning deserts to arable land. Channeling water from other parts of China. All these, and more, will create massive number of jobs, which require skills. The Uighurs should go through government-initiated training programs to acquire these skills. These will lead them to a better life.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Damned Americans only think about how to agitate the Uigyurs to create trouble for the Chinese government. The Uigyurs will be damned fools to fall for that.
> > > > > > > > > > In the Big Power Conflict of the 21st Century, the US will use all means to weaken China. One way is to create internal conflicts within China. Among the internal conflicts would be ethnic conflicts. This is especially easy in regions where the Hans are a minority. Just stir up the needs for independence and separation among the non-Han majorities. Xinjiang is one such region. Terrorism is one convenient tactic.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The West has been organising terrorism against China in Xinjiang for decades now. Their modus operandi - sneak in agents to train local terrorists, recruit Uighurs overseas for terrorists.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > After their trainees have carried out acts of terrorism in China, Westerners show no sympathy for the Chinese victims. Instead they warn the Chinese government against using terrorism as excuses to suppress the Uigyurs!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Chinese don’t give a shit about those warnings. They carry out their anti-terrorism campaigns in a large scale, well organised manner. They set up centers to provide education and trainings for the Uighurs. These provide the Uighurs with useful knowledge and skills. Anywhere else in the world this would be hailed as Human Capital Development.. People in many parts of the world wish that their government too would have such programs for them. But not the Westerners because they realise that this is a very effective way to counter their ill-intentions against China.. They are dead set against this because it kills off their sources of recruitment for terrorists.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > They work up the world against China. Their politicians and political press spew fake news, disinformation and all sorts of lies about the Chinese anti-terrorism campaigns. Those educational and training centers were first disparaged as internment camps and later demonised as concentration camps. This is not enough. To catch the world’s attention, they further accuse the Chinese of reducing Uigyurs population through ethnic cleansing and genocide.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Chinese could not leave such wild accusations unchallenged. National leaders from the Muslims World were invited to visit Xinjiang. They saw no such things. Instead of all those Western vicious lies, they witnessed political stability, economic developments, social harmony and religious freedom among the various ethnicity in Xinjiang. Instead of ethnic genocide, the Uighurs population continue to grow with new births and increasing life expectancy. They went away satisfied that their fellow Muslims in Xinjiang were well taken care of.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But not those evil Westerners. They were not satisfied. They continued to work through the UN. They forced the Chinese to accept visits by UN experts. Those who returned without evidence to fit those Westerners lies were dismissed as having been fooled by the Chinese.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > After incessant efforts, they have found another UN official – the latest UN Commissioner for Human Rights. She visited Xinjiang, returned and made a report. Strange things happened. She announced her resignation from her post before her report went public. Why? Has she been forced to write the report against her conscience?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From her report, in line with the Western lies, China has committed violations of human rights and even a possible crime against humanity.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > People of the world will not be fooled. They know who have committed the most crimes against humanity. Europeans genocides against Native Indians in the Americas. In more recent history, Americans invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq like cake walks, resulting in deaths in the millions and destruction on a scale beyond imagination. But not a single American has been charged for any crime.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Western allies too are committing crimes against humanity while oppressing their Muslims. For examples, the Israelis in Palestine and the Indians in Jammu-Kashmir, which is just across the border from Xinjiang.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Not forgetting America which itself today is a land of sufferings. Everyday, there are victims of crimes of all sorts. Many, including innocent children, are killed by guns. Over a million have been killed by the COVID-19 pandemic. Are these not violations of human rights and crimes against humanity?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is the kind of rule-based world order the West wants the world to live in. One where Westerners and their allies can do no wrong while others can do no right.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Chinese should have nothing to worry about this latest report. Or more to come. While being obsessed with weakening China, nations of the West are ignoring their own growing weaknesses. One day their nations will cave-in while China will remain standing tall.
> > > > > > > > > Those bullshits of the Americans and their Western allies are getting bigger and stinkier. They may believe that they have the might to set a narrative on any nation and make it stick, but people in the world are not as ignorant as they would want to believe. Even when the world is two decades into the 21st century, the American and their Western allies still possess colonies around the world.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Where in the world do people need independence, freedom and human rights today? Not in Taiwan, Tibet or Xinjiang. There are many other places. Let’s just consider three under US control and/or influence - Hawaii, Okinawa and Diego Garcia. People in the world, especially people in these three places, still remember their losses.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Native Hawaiians have not forgotten how they have lost their land to the Americans. They still crave for those days when they had an independent kingdom.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2MBnw6RlY
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What is today referred to as the Japanese Prefecture of Okinawa was once an independent kingdom known as Luu Chuu(琉球) in local language and Ryukyu in Japanese. It was invaded by the Japs before WW1 and captured by the Americans during WW2. During that period, the people of Luu Chuu suffered atrocities of the most extreme type from their Japs occupiers. Despite this, the American handed the people of Luu Chuu back to their Japs tormentors in 1972 in exchange for the rights to establish military bases there. This was done without seeking any consent from the people of Luu Chuu.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWYNYjdAxDU
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Know more :
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+kajiwara
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In Diego Garcia, the Brits and the Americans worked together to get rid of every one of the natives in the archipelago so that it could be used as a military base. The UN has ruled that the natives should be allowed to return to their original home. The Yanks and the Brits don’t give a shit about that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjNfXK6QpqY
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1EymGBTl-A
> > > > > > > > > https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/book-of-the-day/2022/08/the-last-colony-britain-colonial-legacy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the UN wants to look for violations of human rights and crime against humanity, they should start looking at the above places first. The Americans and their Western allies should stop their despicable lies and hypocrisies. What they are doing about Xinjiang now through the UN is no different from what they did to Iraq in 2003. Then, the American Secretary of State Colin Powell went to the UN to boldly lie to the whole world about Iraq being in possession of WMD. Failing that, even without UN approval, the Americans and their Western allies formed an armed coalition to invade Iraq and then boasted that it was as easy as a cakewalk. Now, again through the UN, they force the UN Commissioner on Human Rights to boldly lie to the whole world about what China has done to its minority Uighurs. If China today were to be as small and weak as Iraq then, based on a lie, the Americans and their Western allies would form another coalition, most appropriately “The Coalition of Lying Bastards”, to invade China. But they can’t. They are going to make China pay in other ways.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is time the Chinese stop fighting those damned lies diplomatically. China should abandon its defensive postures and go on the offensive instead. The Chinese should infiltrate existing Americans and Western colonies, train and arm the natives and organise them into a force to fight for their Freedom. It’s back to the Cold War days of Peoples’ Liberation Fronts and Peoples' Liberation Movements!
> > > > > > > > Defeated. The UN Resolution to debate on Xinjiang, China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly23ibPPnzY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This should let the US and its faithful dogs know that the world cannot be easily fooled.
> > > > > > > The UN Human Rights Council rejected a motion led by mostly western countries intending to
> > > > > > > defame China's effort to improve the living-hood of Uyghur Muslims. The rejection signifies
> > > > > > > world wide awareness on Western hypocrisy.
> > > > > > And, as always... you're not fooling anyone.
> > > > > Here's the actual vote. All of the abstainers are getting a lot of development money from China.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://twitter.com/UN_HRC/status/1578003299827171330/photo/1
> > > > Seriously, it is presumptuous to say this.
> > > Why? Do you deny that China gives out a lot of money to get allies?
> > >
> > > If China hadn't bought off the abstainers it would have passed easily.. Money talks.
> > > >If you look at EU, the entire EU voted "yes".
> > > Yes, China could not buy them off.
> > >
> > > >It goes to show those EU countries in EU voted "yes" were ordered by EU and EU was forced by US as NATO.
> > >
> > > No evidence of that.
> > China doesn't give out money to them. The money is loan with low interest that include of the building of infrastructures for them. There is no free money at all. There is contracture return from the profits earned from it. Hence, their decision in their votes is based on their views that the vocational training and education will immensely beneficial to them than nothing to achieve for them in work contribution back to society and for themselves and family, too.
> Low interest loan == free money in exchange for favors.


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