I have nothing against the Queen personally but what she represents is a different matter.

Monarchy is a relic of the feudal past. It should not be around in the 21st Century.

European Monarchies were closely associated with Imperialism carried out by their Kingdoms. England, Spain, Holland, Belgium are some examples. Conquests of faraway lands were made in their names. They last till today. The Philippines was named after King Phillip of Spain. The name Victoria survived that Queen of England in many landmarks around the world which were previously British Colonies. Deaths, destruction and atrocities were carried out in their names. They were believed to be beyond human. The Japs believe their Emperor is descended from a Sun-goddess. In War, Japs willingly die for their Emperor.

It is absurd that at this stage of human civilisation when the ideal of "equality for all" is held up high there are still people who are born with power, wealth and special privileges. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise democracy where power is bestowed by the people. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise free enterprise where people have to compete equally for resources.

Monarchies should not be around anymore.

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:06:34 AM UTC, papa dumdum wrote:
> I have nothing against the Queen personally but what she represents is a different matter.
>
> Monarchy is a relic of the feudal past. It should not be around in the 21st Century.
>
> European Monarchies were closely associated with Imperialism carried out by their Kingdoms. England, Spain, Holland, Belgium are some examples. Conquests of faraway lands were made in their names. They last till today. The Philippines was named after King Phillip of Spain. The name Victoria survived that Queen of England in many landmarks around the world which were previously British Colonies. Deaths, destruction and atrocities were carried out in their names. They were believed to be beyond human. The Japs believe their Emperor is descended from a Sun-goddess. In War, Japs willingly die for their Emperor.
>
> It is absurd that at this stage of human civilisation when the ideal of "equality for all" is held up high there are still people who are born with power, wealth and special privileges. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise democracy where power is bestowed by the people. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise free enterprise where people have to compete equally for resources.
>
> Monarchies should not be around anymore.

Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong to the 21st Century.
I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:51:35 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:

> Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong to the 21st Century.
> I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.

Monarchy around the world should be removed and not reenacted again. Monarchy is for everyone.

ltlee1 <ltlee1@hotmail.com> wrote:
> […]
> Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong
> to the 21st Century.
> I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.

IMHO UK monarchy is quite like electoral college in USA.

Formally USA voters elect electors and electors elect the president.
In long standing practice voters elect the president directly
and it will most likely stay long this way without unusual++
circumstances. "Do not fix what is not broken".

Charles 1 is dead [A][B], longer liver Charles 3 ;-)

[A} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I
> The execution of Charles I by beheading occurred on Tuesday 30 January
> 1649[b] outside the Banqueting House on Whitehall. The execution was
> the culmination of political *and military* conflicts between the
> royalists and the parliamentarians in England during the English Civil
> War, leading to the capture and trial of Charles I, the King of
> England, Scotland, and Ireland. On Saturday 27 January 1649, the
> parliamentarian High Court of Justice had declared Charles guilty of
> attempting to "uphold in himself an unlimited and tyrannical power to
> rule according to his will, and to overthrow the rights and liberties
> of the people" and he was sentenced to death.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_England
> The Commonwealth was the political structure during the period from
> 1649 to 1660 when England and Wales, later along with Ireland and
> Scotland,[1] were governed as a republic […]

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stoney <papajoe168@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:51:35 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
>
>> Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong to the 21st Century.
>> I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.
>
> Monarchy around the world should be removed and not reenacted
> again. Monarchy is for everyone.

<irony> Everyone agrees. </irony>

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On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:06:34 AM UTC, papa dumdum wrote:
> I have nothing against the Queen personally but what she represents is a different matter.
>
> Monarchy is a relic of the feudal past. It should not be around in the 21st Century.
>
> European Monarchies were closely associated with Imperialism carried out by their Kingdoms. England, Spain, Holland, Belgium are some examples. Conquests of faraway lands were made in their names. They last till today. The Philippines was named after King Phillip of Spain. The name Victoria survived that Queen of England in many landmarks around the world which were previously British Colonies. Deaths, destruction and atrocities were carried out in their names. They were believed to be beyond human. The Japs believe their Emperor is descended from a Sun-goddess. In War, Japs willingly die for their Emperor.
>
> It is absurd that at this stage of human civilisation when the ideal of "equality for all" is held up high there are still people who are born with power, wealth and special privileges. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise democracy where power is bestowed by the people. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise free enterprise where people have to compete equally for resources.
>
> Monarchies should not be around anymore.
The Queen is dead. Long live the British Empire!

It’s quite perplexing, looking at the presence of national leaders paying their last respects to the Queen. Many of them are from countries which were victims of British Imperialism and Colonialism.

India is an interesting case. Indians intellectuals and officials accuse the Brits of wrecking India's economy under British Colonial Rule and calculate how much the Brits owe India to this day. Yet they do not hesitate to spend more money to attend the Queen’s funeral.

China is a worse case. The Brits were the first European Powers to open fire at China with their gunboats. This led to more European powers invading and colonising China and later cutting it up like a water melon. Yet the Chinese see it fit to send a high ranking official, its Vice-President. Not only did the Brits not appreciate his attendance, they wanted to insult China through him. He was initially not allowed to file past the Queen’s coffin. This was only corrected in the last minute. How despicable of the Brits. Using the corpse of their dead Queen as a political tool. Well, the Chinese bring this upon themselves.

Does the death of QEII bring British Imperialism and Colonialism to an end? NO! There are still small islands of British colonies in the Caribbean and the Pacific. There are big past colonies which have become independent nations but still attached to Britain via their colonial umbilical cord. Australia and Canada still pledge loyalty to the British Monarch. The Queen or King of Britain is the Head of State of these two supposedly independent nations.

The Queen may be dead but the British Empire lives on, though not in its old form. It is morphing and resurrecting as the Five Eyes. This is the 21 Century British Empire of Britain plus past British colonies with strong British heritage, namely US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. This new British Empire is more formidable than the old one. Just the US alone makes the Five Eyes the most powerful empire today. Its combined land mass makes it the largest empire by land size, so large that just like the old British Empire, the sun never set on this one too.

The world should watch out for the new British Empire of Five Eyes!

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:07:34 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > […]
> > Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong
> > to the 21st Century.
> > I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.
> IMHO UK monarchy is quite like electoral college in USA.
>
> Formally USA voters elect electors and electors elect the president.
This makes the USA a republic. Not the case of the UK monarch.

> In long standing practice voters elect the president directly
> and it will most likely stay long this way without unusual++
> circumstances. "Do not fix what is not broken".
>
> Charles 1 is dead [A][B], longer liver Charles 3 ;-)
>
> [A} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I
> > The execution of Charles I by beheading occurred on Tuesday 30 January
> > 1649[b] outside the Banqueting House on Whitehall. The execution was
> > the culmination of political *and military* conflicts between the
> > royalists and the parliamentarians in England during the English Civil
> > War, leading to the capture and trial of Charles I, the King of
> > England, Scotland, and Ireland. On Saturday 27 January 1649, the
> > parliamentarian High Court of Justice had declared Charles guilty of
> > attempting to "uphold in himself an unlimited and tyrannical power to
> > rule according to his will, and to overthrow the rights and liberties
> > of the people" and he was sentenced to death.[2]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_England
> > The Commonwealth was the political structure during the period from
> > 1649 to 1660 when England and Wales, later along with Ireland and
> > Scotland,[1] were governed as a republic […]
>
> --
> A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> | echo "ICK, NOTHING WORKED!!! You may have to diddle the
> | includes.";; (Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution)

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:24:02 PM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:06:34 AM UTC, papa dumdum wrote:
> > I have nothing against the Queen personally but what she represents is a different matter.
> >
> > Monarchy is a relic of the feudal past. It should not be around in the 21st Century.
> >
> > European Monarchies were closely associated with Imperialism carried out by their Kingdoms. England, Spain, Holland, Belgium are some examples. Conquests of faraway lands were made in their names. They last till today. The Philippines was named after King Phillip of Spain. The name Victoria survived that Queen of England in many landmarks around the world which were previously British Colonies. Deaths, destruction and atrocities were carried out in their names. They were believed to be beyond human. The Japs believe their Emperor is descended from a Sun-goddess. In War, Japs willingly die for their Emperor.
> >
> > It is absurd that at this stage of human civilisation when the ideal of "equality for all" is held up high there are still people who are born with power, wealth and special privileges. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise democracy where power is bestowed by the people. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise free enterprise where people have to compete equally for resources.
> >
> > Monarchies should not be around anymore.
> The Queen is dead. Long live the British Empire!
>
> It’s quite perplexing, looking at the presence of national leaders paying their last respects to the Queen. Many of them are from countries which were victims of British Imperialism and Colonialism.
>
> India is an interesting case. Indians intellectuals and officials accuse the Brits of wrecking India's economy under British Colonial Rule and calculate how much the Brits owe India to this day. Yet they do not hesitate to spend more money to attend the Queen’s funeral.
>
> China is a worse case. The Brits were the first European Powers to open fire at China with their gunboats. This led to more European powers invading and colonising China and later cutting it up like a water melon. Yet the Chinese see it fit to send a high ranking official, its Vice-President. Not only did the Brits not appreciate his attendance, they wanted to insult China through him. He was initially not allowed to file past the Queen’s coffin. This was only corrected in the last minute. How despicable of the Brits. Using the corpse of their dead Queen as a political tool. Well, the Chinese bring this upon themselves.

Diplomatic formality.

>
> Does the death of QEII bring British Imperialism and Colonialism to an end? NO! There are still small islands of British colonies in the Caribbean and the Pacific. There are big past colonies which have become independent nations but still attached to Britain via their colonial umbilical cord. Australia and Canada still pledge loyalty to the British Monarch. The Queen or King of Britain is the Head of State of these two supposedly independent nations.
>
> The Queen may be dead but the British Empire lives on, though not in its old form. It is morphing and resurrecting as the Five Eyes. This is the 21 Century British Empire of Britain plus past British colonies with strong British heritage, namely US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. This new British Empire is more formidable than the old one. Just the US alone makes the Five Eyes the most powerful empire today. Its combined land mass makes it the largest empire by land size, so large that just like the old British Empire, the sun never set on this one too.

The British Empire is becoming an imaginary one.
The English language however will remain powerful as a
global language.

>
>
> The world should watch out for the new British Empire of Five Eyes!
If the US continues its path of self-destruction, the imaginary UK empire could
become powerful again through behind the scene manipulation. Will new Australian,
Canadian, and New Zealand coins bear the image of the UK monarch?

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 3:51:35 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 9:06:34 AM UTC, papa dumdum wrote:
> > I have nothing against the Queen personally but what she represents is a different matter.
> >
> > Monarchy is a relic of the feudal past. It should not be around in the 21st Century.
> >
> > European Monarchies were closely associated with Imperialism carried out by their Kingdoms. England, Spain, Holland, Belgium are some examples. Conquests of faraway lands were made in their names. They last till today. The Philippines was named after King Phillip of Spain. The name Victoria survived that Queen of England in many landmarks around the world which were previously British Colonies. Deaths, destruction and atrocities were carried out in their names. They were believed to be beyond human. The Japs believe their Emperor is descended from a Sun-goddess. In War, Japs willingly die for their Emperor.
> >
> > It is absurd that at this stage of human civilisation when the ideal of "equality for all" is held up high there are still people who are born with power, wealth and special privileges. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise democracy where power is bestowed by the people. It is absurd when such people exist in countries which practise free enterprise where people have to compete equally for resources.
> >
> > Monarchies should not be around anymore.
> Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong to the 21st Century.
> I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.

I don't understand why you call China a democracy. So boring.

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:57:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:07:34 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > […]
> > > Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong
> > > to the 21st Century.
> > > I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.
> > IMHO UK monarchy is quite like electoral college in USA.
> >
> > Formally USA voters elect electors and electors elect the president.
> This makes the USA a republic. Not the case of the UK monarch.

A monarch is only a monarch because he or she rules. Diametrically
opposite to a democracy in which the people rule.

A related issue why the UK has yet to be a written constitution.
It cannot have one unless the monarch accept people's power and
hence associated rights. And British people are citizens not subjects
of the monarch.

> > In long standing practice voters elect the president directly
> > and it will most likely stay long this way without unusual++
> > circumstances. "Do not fix what is not broken".
> >
> > Charles 1 is dead [A][B], longer liver Charles 3 ;-)
> >
> > [A} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I
> > > The execution of Charles I by beheading occurred on Tuesday 30 January
> > > 1649[b] outside the Banqueting House on Whitehall. The execution was
> > > the culmination of political *and military* conflicts between the
> > > royalists and the parliamentarians in England during the English Civil
> > > War, leading to the capture and trial of Charles I, the King of
> > > England, Scotland, and Ireland. On Saturday 27 January 1649, the
> > > parliamentarian High Court of Justice had declared Charles guilty of
> > > attempting to "uphold in himself an unlimited and tyrannical power to
> > > rule according to his will, and to overthrow the rights and liberties
> > > of the people" and he was sentenced to death.[2]
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_England
> > > The Commonwealth was the political structure during the period from
> > > 1649 to 1660 when England and Wales, later along with Ireland and
> > > Scotland,[1] were governed as a republic […]
> >
> > --
> > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > | echo "ICK, NOTHING WORKED!!! You may have to diddle the
> > | includes.";; (Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution)

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 5:58:32 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 1:57:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 6:07:34 PM UTC, A. Filip wrote:
> > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > […]
> > > > Monarchy is certainly a relic of the feudal past. It does not belong
> > > > to the 21st Century.
> > > > I don't understand why the UK is called a democracy.
> > > IMHO UK monarchy is quite like electoral college in USA.
> > >
> > > Formally USA voters elect electors and electors elect the president.
> > This makes the USA a republic. Not the case of the UK monarch.
> A monarch is only a monarch because he or she rules. Diametrically
> opposite to a democracy in which the people rule.
>
> A related issue why the UK has yet to be a written constitution.
> It cannot have one unless the monarch accept people's power and
> hence associated rights. And British people are citizens not subjects
> of the monarch.
> > > In long standing practice voters elect the president directly
> > > and it will most likely stay long this way without unusual++
> > > circumstances. "Do not fix what is not broken".
> > >
> > > Charles 1 is dead [A][B], longer liver Charles 3 ;-)
> > >
> > > [A} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_Charles_I
> > > > The execution of Charles I by beheading occurred on Tuesday 30 January
> > > > 1649[b] outside the Banqueting House on Whitehall. The execution was
> > > > the culmination of political *and military* conflicts between the
> > > > royalists and the parliamentarians in England during the English Civil
> > > > War, leading to the capture and trial of Charles I, the King of
> > > > England, Scotland, and Ireland. On Saturday 27 January 1649, the
> > > > parliamentarian High Court of Justice had declared Charles guilty of
> > > > attempting to "uphold in himself an unlimited and tyrannical power to
> > > > rule according to his will, and to overthrow the rights and liberties
> > > > of the people" and he was sentenced to death.[2]
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_England
> > > > The Commonwealth was the political structure during the period from
> > > > 1649 to 1660 when England and Wales, later along with Ireland and
> > > > Scotland,[1] were governed as a republic […]
> > >
> > > --
> > > A. Filip : Big (Tech) Brother is watching you.
> > > | echo "ICK, NOTHING WORKED!!! You may have to diddle the
> > > | includes.";; (Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution)

The monarch is not like other countries of a puppet or titular title head, but is a ruler ruling over the people, and not the elected government ruling over the people.

papa dumdum, <news:7dc3c410-96e8-41e8-ba5c-7334b0bba236n@googlegroups.com>

> Monarchy is a relic of the feudal past. It should not be around in the 21st
> Century.
>
> European Monarchies were closely associated with Imperialism carried out by
> their Kingdoms. England, Spain, Holland, Belgium are some examples.
> Conquests of faraway lands were made in their names. They last till today.
> The Philippines was named after King Phillip of Spain.

The below remark isn't about imperialism as such, but merely historical.

....

When it comes to names of kings and other high aristocracy in the European
(and other) monarchies, there were some contemporary customs and rules (as
explicit as "unwritten") about how such names should be chosen. The topic
is a specific (although, marginal) field of historical knowledge. The name
"Philip" (Phillip, Fillip) had reached peak of "popularity" among the top
western Europe's aristocracy in the High Medieval period. However, it never
was in the regional aristocratic use until the 11th century. The story
about how it was introduced into the western-European nobles is linked with
Russia.

Philip is originally a Greek name, literally meaning "fan of horses". At
the first millennium BC, several rulers of the ancient Macedonia state (the
place where Alexander the Great emerged from) bore this name. In western
part of Europe, the name became known after the spread of Christianity (as
there are two Philips in the New Testament), but it was not seen as a name
worthy of nobles. Nowadays, the Westerners seek to link The West with those
ancient Romans/Greeks, but at the time the Greek things were not "theirs".

In the mid-11th century, Russian ruler Yaroslav Moodry (Sun-Glory the Wise)
gave his daughter Anna in marriage to Henry I, ruler of then Franks. Their
the first child (i.e. the crown prince) was named Philip. The reason for
the choice of such an unusual royal name was the fact that Anna belonged to
the Eastern Christian tradition, where the name Philip was well recognized
as regal not only from the Macedonian legacy, but also from the East Roman
Empire, that in the 11th century was alive and well <https://is.gd/O0hy8f>
(and more prominent vs. the Franks' state). This Philip I then turned out
quite a successful ruler, and thus the name had taken root as a regal name.

The very first Spanish Philip emerged in the late 15th century (he was
linked with the French Burgundy), then the second Spanish Philip ruled in
the mid-16th century, - and the Philippines were named after him.

I wrote above "western part of Europe", not "West Europe", because in the
11th century, there was no concept of The West somehow close to its modern
notion and connotion.