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Subject: [Living with Covid] We're starting to understand 'long COVID.' We can
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1. Scale
"The condition of long COVID, also known as post-acute sequelae of SARS CoV-2 infection, is rife with mysteries. While its incidence among adults who have been infected has been estimated at 5% to 40%, a recent study that tracked symptoms before infections and compared participants to controls has given us one of the best snapshots to date. It indicated that 1 in 8 people who have had COVID experience prolonged symptoms over many months.

With vaccinations and different variants, the incidence may be lower, but even if it were half as many (6% of adults who have been infected), and we assume two-thirds of adults have had COVID, that would equate to more than 10 million Americans who have endured persistent symptoms that interfere with their daily life activities, frequently impairing their ability to return to work."

2. Scope
"One of the mysteries: As opposed to those most likely to get severe COVID, the vast majority of people affected by long COVID are younger (30 to 50 years old) and previously healthy. The typical symptoms include marked fatigue, exercise intolerance, difficulty breathing, brain fog, muscle pain and weakness, chest pain, headaches and fast heart rate."

3. Effective therapy
"While the list of troubling symptoms is long, the number of proven therapies is very short — zero."

4. Start to Understand
"A combined team from Yale and Mount Sinai used artificial intelligence to determine what, of so many factors, may be of central importance in determining whether a COVID patient develops lingering symptoms. There was a singular driver — low cortisol in the blood — a particularly intriguing finding.

This hormone, produced by the adrenal gland in response to stress, has diverse functions. When it is below healthy levels, as has also been found in chronic fatigue syndrome, it could be tied to some of the symptoms of long COVID. ...

The “long” in long COVID has not been emphasized enough. A new report from more than 1.25 million people with COVID showed an increased risk of developing brain fog, dementia, seizures and psychosis over two years. Similarly, follow-up at one year or longer has shown an increased risk of heart and blood vessel diseases, diabetes, clotting disorders, and lung and kidney damage, even among people who had only mild to moderate COVID and were not hospitalized. Such risk appears to be cumulatively increased with reinfections, including infections that break through vaccinations."

5. We Can fight it
There are more than 25 trials that have been launched with many different types of drugs or supplements, but all of them are quite small. The trials have generally not been partitioned by the cluster of patient symptoms, such as those with lightheadedness or people who are predominantly suffering from difficulty breathing and brain fog. With so many millions of people impaired, the need for accelerating clinical trials with promising immune-system modulating or virus-inactivating agents is beyond urgent."

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-21/long-covid-treatment-research

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 by: stoney - Thu, 1 Sep 2022 16:13 UTC

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:45:30 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> 1. Scale
> "The condition of long COVID, also known as post-acute sequelae of SARS CoV-2 infection, is rife with mysteries. While its incidence among adults who have been infected has been estimated at 5% to 40%, a recent study that tracked symptoms before infections and compared participants to controls has given us one of the best snapshots to date. It indicated that 1 in 8 people who have had COVID experience prolonged symptoms over many months.
>
> With vaccinations and different variants, the incidence may be lower, but even if it were half as many (6% of adults who have been infected), and we assume two-thirds of adults have had COVID, that would equate to more than 10 million Americans who have endured persistent symptoms that interfere with their daily life activities, frequently impairing their ability to return to work."
>
> 2. Scope
> "One of the mysteries: As opposed to those most likely to get severe COVID, the vast majority of people affected by long COVID are younger (30 to 50 years old) and previously healthy. The typical symptoms include marked fatigue, exercise intolerance, difficulty breathing, brain fog, muscle pain and weakness, chest pain, headaches and fast heart rate."
>
> 3. Effective therapy
> "While the list of troubling symptoms is long, the number of proven therapies is very short — zero."
>
> 4. Start to Understand
> "A combined team from Yale and Mount Sinai used artificial intelligence to determine what, of so many factors, may be of central importance in determining whether a COVID patient develops lingering symptoms. There was a singular driver — low cortisol in the blood — a particularly intriguing finding.
>
> This hormone, produced by the adrenal gland in response to stress, has diverse functions. When it is below healthy levels, as has also been found in chronic fatigue syndrome, it could be tied to some of the symptoms of long COVID. ...
>
> The “long” in long COVID has not been emphasized enough. A new report from more than 1.25 million people with COVID showed an increased risk of developing brain fog, dementia, seizures and psychosis over two years. Similarly, follow-up at one year or longer has shown an increased risk of heart and blood vessel diseases, diabetes, clotting disorders, and lung and kidney damage, even among people who had only mild to moderate COVID and were not hospitalized. Such risk appears to be cumulatively increased with reinfections, including infections that break through vaccinations."
>
> 5. We Can fight it
> There are more than 25 trials that have been launched with many different types of drugs or supplements, but all of them are quite small. The trials have generally not been partitioned by the cluster of patient symptoms, such as those with lightheadedness or people who are predominantly suffering from difficulty breathing and brain fog. With so many millions of people impaired, the need for accelerating clinical trials with promising immune-system modulating or virus-inactivating agents is beyond urgent."
>
> https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-21/long-covid-treatment-research

Long Covid treatment might not help as the damage is already done to our brain cells and nervous system, too. New medical treatment cannot reverse what is changed and outcome that done to our body. New medical treatment can only relieve the symptoms of it. Hence, people who get tired prefer to work on part home and part office. They get to rest on their own and at their own time, as long as their schedule is approved.

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 by: ltlee1 - Fri, 2 Sep 2022 15:22 UTC

On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:45:30 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > 1. Scale
> > "The condition of long COVID, also known as post-acute sequelae of SARS CoV-2 infection, is rife with mysteries. While its incidence among adults who have been infected has been estimated at 5% to 40%, a recent study that tracked symptoms before infections and compared participants to controls has given us one of the best snapshots to date. It indicated that 1 in 8 people who have had COVID experience prolonged symptoms over many months.
> >
> > With vaccinations and different variants, the incidence may be lower, but even if it were half as many (6% of adults who have been infected), and we assume two-thirds of adults have had COVID, that would equate to more than 10 million Americans who have endured persistent symptoms that interfere with their daily life activities, frequently impairing their ability to return to work."
> >
> > 2. Scope
> > "One of the mysteries: As opposed to those most likely to get severe COVID, the vast majority of people affected by long COVID are younger (30 to 50 years old) and previously healthy. The typical symptoms include marked fatigue, exercise intolerance, difficulty breathing, brain fog, muscle pain and weakness, chest pain, headaches and fast heart rate."
> >
> > 3. Effective therapy
> > "While the list of troubling symptoms is long, the number of proven therapies is very short — zero."
> >
> > 4. Start to Understand
> > "A combined team from Yale and Mount Sinai used artificial intelligence to determine what, of so many factors, may be of central importance in determining whether a COVID patient develops lingering symptoms. There was a singular driver — low cortisol in the blood — a particularly intriguing finding.
> >
> > This hormone, produced by the adrenal gland in response to stress, has diverse functions. When it is below healthy levels, as has also been found in chronic fatigue syndrome, it could be tied to some of the symptoms of long COVID. ...
> >
> > The “long” in long COVID has not been emphasized enough.. A new report from more than 1.25 million people with COVID showed an increased risk of developing brain fog, dementia, seizures and psychosis over two years. Similarly, follow-up at one year or longer has shown an increased risk of heart and blood vessel diseases, diabetes, clotting disorders, and lung and kidney damage, even among people who had only mild to moderate COVID and were not hospitalized. Such risk appears to be cumulatively increased with reinfections, including infections that break through vaccinations."
> >
> > 5. We Can fight it
> > There are more than 25 trials that have been launched with many different types of drugs or supplements, but all of them are quite small. The trials have generally not been partitioned by the cluster of patient symptoms, such as those with lightheadedness or people who are predominantly suffering from difficulty breathing and brain fog. With so many millions of people impaired, the need for accelerating clinical trials with promising immune-system modulating or virus-inactivating agents is beyond urgent."
> >
> > https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-21/long-covid-treatment-research
> Long Covid treatment might not help as the damage is already done to our brain cells and nervous system, too. New medical treatment cannot reverse what is changed and outcome that done to our body. New medical treatment can only relieve the symptoms of it. Hence, people who get tired prefer to work on part home and part office. They get to rest on their own and at their own time, as long as their schedule is approved.

Although brain cells can repair but in general the brain does not regenerate like in other organs.
So you are right. The fight is more in the future and may be in the form of preventive medicine.

At present, high level of cortisol was found to be associated with more COVID death. This
certainly explains why more black and hispanic Americans were killed by COVID. Being
minorities in the US are in general more stressful.

Low level of cortisol is associated with long COVID could then be viewed as this group of
patients were on the whole beating back the virus but paying a price.

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 by: stoney - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 04:31 UTC

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 11:22:19 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:45:30 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > 1. Scale
> > > "The condition of long COVID, also known as post-acute sequelae of SARS CoV-2 infection, is rife with mysteries. While its incidence among adults who have been infected has been estimated at 5% to 40%, a recent study that tracked symptoms before infections and compared participants to controls has given us one of the best snapshots to date. It indicated that 1 in 8 people who have had COVID experience prolonged symptoms over many months.
> > >
> > > With vaccinations and different variants, the incidence may be lower, but even if it were half as many (6% of adults who have been infected), and we assume two-thirds of adults have had COVID, that would equate to more than 10 million Americans who have endured persistent symptoms that interfere with their daily life activities, frequently impairing their ability to return to work."
> > >
> > > 2. Scope
> > > "One of the mysteries: As opposed to those most likely to get severe COVID, the vast majority of people affected by long COVID are younger (30 to 50 years old) and previously healthy. The typical symptoms include marked fatigue, exercise intolerance, difficulty breathing, brain fog, muscle pain and weakness, chest pain, headaches and fast heart rate."
> > >
> > > 3. Effective therapy
> > > "While the list of troubling symptoms is long, the number of proven therapies is very short — zero."
> > >
> > > 4. Start to Understand
> > > "A combined team from Yale and Mount Sinai used artificial intelligence to determine what, of so many factors, may be of central importance in determining whether a COVID patient develops lingering symptoms. There was a singular driver — low cortisol in the blood — a particularly intriguing finding.
> > >
> > > This hormone, produced by the adrenal gland in response to stress, has diverse functions. When it is below healthy levels, as has also been found in chronic fatigue syndrome, it could be tied to some of the symptoms of long COVID. ...
> > >
> > > The “long” in long COVID has not been emphasized enough. A new report from more than 1.25 million people with COVID showed an increased risk of developing brain fog, dementia, seizures and psychosis over two years. Similarly, follow-up at one year or longer has shown an increased risk of heart and blood vessel diseases, diabetes, clotting disorders, and lung and kidney damage, even among people who had only mild to moderate COVID and were not hospitalized. Such risk appears to be cumulatively increased with reinfections, including infections that break through vaccinations."
> > >
> > > 5. We Can fight it
> > > There are more than 25 trials that have been launched with many different types of drugs or supplements, but all of them are quite small. The trials have generally not been partitioned by the cluster of patient symptoms, such as those with lightheadedness or people who are predominantly suffering from difficulty breathing and brain fog. With so many millions of people impaired, the need for accelerating clinical trials with promising immune-system modulating or virus-inactivating agents is beyond urgent."
> > >
> > > https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-21/long-covid-treatment-research
> > Long Covid treatment might not help as the damage is already done to our brain cells and nervous system, too. New medical treatment cannot reverse what is changed and outcome that done to our body. New medical treatment can only relieve the symptoms of it. Hence, people who get tired prefer to work on part home and part office. They get to rest on their own and at their own time, as long as their schedule is approved.
> Although brain cells can repair but in general the brain does not regenerate like in other organs.
> So you are right. The fight is more in the future and may be in the form of preventive medicine.
>
> At present, high level of cortisol was found to be associated with more COVID death. This
> certainly explains why more black and hispanic Americans were killed by COVID. Being
> minorities in the US are in general more stressful.
>
> Low level of cortisol is associated with long COVID could then be viewed as this group of
> patients were on the whole beating back the virus but paying a price.

The Covid vaccine from the West that sold to the majority of countries in the world could cause rise in high level of cortisol, to which this hormone produced to regulate and function the body's organ functions has gone up and fatigued the body's sensors and controllers. Hence, the vaccine may have changed the cortisol in the body.

The vaccine could be engineered by those bad actors called as "dark invisible forces" hidden in the lower echelon of vaccine companies to produce vaccine to fatigue people. This is so that they can permanently make them to obey them forever. They will make to become lethargic, sluggish, confused, foggy, lifeless, languid, stagnant, dull, slow-moving, and unenergetic, etc.

These fatigue syndromes will eventually turn them like zombie, moron, alien, or a fool of circumstances. Hence, the Western vaccine is the cause of it.. Those people who refused to take Western Covid vaccine did not have these syndromic problems at all. Hence, big countries should build their own vaccines to protect their people, instead. Poor and small countries have no choice but to sacrifice them to them.

Their perceived change in some function, sensation or appearance of a person that indicates a disease or disorder, such as fever, headache or rash, and alteration of behavior will require long term syndromic treatment from vaccine producers again. They will make again make long term revenue of billions and trillions of dollar from the world of people, instead.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sat, 3 Sep 2022 12:29 UTC

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 12:31:09 AM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 11:22:19 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 12:13:10 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 9:45:30 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > 1. Scale
> > > > "The condition of long COVID, also known as post-acute sequelae of SARS CoV-2 infection, is rife with mysteries. While its incidence among adults who have been infected has been estimated at 5% to 40%, a recent study that tracked symptoms before infections and compared participants to controls has given us one of the best snapshots to date. It indicated that 1 in 8 people who have had COVID experience prolonged symptoms over many months.
> > > >
> > > > With vaccinations and different variants, the incidence may be lower, but even if it were half as many (6% of adults who have been infected), and we assume two-thirds of adults have had COVID, that would equate to more than 10 million Americans who have endured persistent symptoms that interfere with their daily life activities, frequently impairing their ability to return to work."
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> > > > 2. Scope
> > > > "One of the mysteries: As opposed to those most likely to get severe COVID, the vast majority of people affected by long COVID are younger (30 to 50 years old) and previously healthy. The typical symptoms include marked fatigue, exercise intolerance, difficulty breathing, brain fog, muscle pain and weakness, chest pain, headaches and fast heart rate."
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> > > > 3. Effective therapy
> > > > "While the list of troubling symptoms is long, the number of proven therapies is very short — zero."
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> > > > 4. Start to Understand
> > > > "A combined team from Yale and Mount Sinai used artificial intelligence to determine what, of so many factors, may be of central importance in determining whether a COVID patient develops lingering symptoms. There was a singular driver — low cortisol in the blood — a particularly intriguing finding.
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> > > > This hormone, produced by the adrenal gland in response to stress, has diverse functions. When it is below healthy levels, as has also been found in chronic fatigue syndrome, it could be tied to some of the symptoms of long COVID. ...
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> > > > The “long” in long COVID has not been emphasized enough. A new report from more than 1.25 million people with COVID showed an increased risk of developing brain fog, dementia, seizures and psychosis over two years. Similarly, follow-up at one year or longer has shown an increased risk of heart and blood vessel diseases, diabetes, clotting disorders, and lung and kidney damage, even among people who had only mild to moderate COVID and were not hospitalized. Such risk appears to be cumulatively increased with reinfections, including infections that break through vaccinations."
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> > > > 5. We Can fight it
> > > > There are more than 25 trials that have been launched with many different types of drugs or supplements, but all of them are quite small. The trials have generally not been partitioned by the cluster of patient symptoms, such as those with lightheadedness or people who are predominantly suffering from difficulty breathing and brain fog. With so many millions of people impaired, the need for accelerating clinical trials with promising immune-system modulating or virus-inactivating agents is beyond urgent."
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> > > > https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-21/long-covid-treatment-research
> > > Long Covid treatment might not help as the damage is already done to our brain cells and nervous system, too. New medical treatment cannot reverse what is changed and outcome that done to our body. New medical treatment can only relieve the symptoms of it. Hence, people who get tired prefer to work on part home and part office. They get to rest on their own and at their own time, as long as their schedule is approved.
> > Although brain cells can repair but in general the brain does not regenerate like in other organs.
> > So you are right. The fight is more in the future and may be in the form of preventive medicine.
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> > At present, high level of cortisol was found to be associated with more COVID death. This
> > certainly explains why more black and hispanic Americans were killed by COVID. Being
> > minorities in the US are in general more stressful.
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> > Low level of cortisol is associated with long COVID could then be viewed as this group of
> > patients were on the whole beating back the virus but paying a price.
> The Covid vaccine from the West that sold to the majority of countries in the world could cause rise in high level of cortisol, to which this hormone produced to regulate and function the body's organ functions has gone up and fatigued the body's sensors and controllers. Hence, the vaccine may have changed the cortisol in the body.

In some sense, it is a trade off.
Vaccines are as effective as they simulate real viral attacks. The more effective a vaccine, the more
it will stress the body. With a clearer picture of long COVID and its association with low cortisol level.
It is time to re-evaluate the effectiveness of COVID vaccine, not just in rendering immunity, but also
in its effect on long Covid.

And of course, when to live with COVID.
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> The vaccine could be engineered by those bad actors called as "dark invisible forces" hidden in the lower echelon of vaccine companies to produce vaccine to fatigue people. This is so that they can permanently make them to obey them forever. They will make to become lethargic, sluggish, confused, foggy, lifeless, languid, stagnant, dull, slow-moving, and unenergetic, etc..
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> These fatigue syndromes will eventually turn them like zombie, moron, alien, or a fool of circumstances. Hence, the Western vaccine is the cause of it. Those people who refused to take Western Covid vaccine did not have these syndromic problems at all. Hence, big countries should build their own vaccines to protect their people, instead. Poor and small countries have no choice but to sacrifice them to them.
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> Their perceived change in some function, sensation or appearance of a person that indicates a disease or disorder, such as fever, headache or rash, and alteration of behavior will require long term syndromic treatment from vaccine producers again. They will make again make long term revenue of billions and trillions of dollar from the world of people, instead.


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