> Ukrainian Clergy Say Russian Occupiers Target Them With Threats,
> Violence
> By Ian Lovett, Aug. 13, 2022, WSJ
>
> KROPYVNYTSKIY, Ukraine-The Russian soldiers who showed up at Rev.
> Sergey Chudinovich's church put a bag over his head, took him to
> the police station, then made him an offer.
>
> Let us distribute aid at your church, they said, which is located
> in Russian-occupied Kherson in the south of Ukraine. Or make a
> video telling residents to accept Russian aid.

The Westerners are accustomed to associate "charity" with "church".
But in the present Ukraine-related events church means little. The
Russia's humanitarian aid in the areas like Kherson is distributed
without any links to any religion. It would be silly to believe a
priest in "a video telling residents to accept Russian aid" might
be so important. The one more WSJ article is just one more nonsense
intended for ignorant readers who have no idea about real life.

....

<https://youtu.be/uALWy67oXTI> bonus link

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > Ukrainian Clergy Say Russian Occupiers Target Them With Threats,
> > Violence
> > By Ian Lovett, Aug. 13, 2022, WSJ
> >
> > KROPYVNYTSKIY, Ukraine-The Russian soldiers who showed up at Rev.
> > Sergey Chudinovich's church put a bag over his head, took him to
> > the police station, then made him an offer.
> >
> > Let us distribute aid at your church, they said, which is located
> > in Russian-occupied Kherson in the south of Ukraine. Or make a
> > video telling residents to accept Russian aid.
> The Westerners are accustomed to associate "charity" with "church".
> But in the present Ukraine-related events church means little. The
> Russia's humanitarian aid in the areas like Kherson is distributed
> without any links to any religion. It would be silly to believe a
> priest in "a video telling residents to accept Russian aid" might
> be so important. The one more WSJ article is just one more nonsense
> intended for ignorant readers who have no idea about real life.

No, troll.

The key point you snipped:
“They’ve tried to find those who have power and authority among the local people—who are able to be leaders of resistance,” said Archbishop Evstratiy of Chernihiv, a spokesman for the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. “Clergy of the Ukrainian church, unfortunately, are in the first row.”

bmoore, <news:dc4212f8-acd8-403b-9c15-b141bc83001an@googlegroups.com>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>>> Ukrainian Clergy Say Russian Occupiers Target Them With Threats,
>>> Violence
>>> By Ian Lovett, Aug. 13, 2022, WSJ
>>>
>>> KROPYVNYTSKIY, Ukraine-The Russian soldiers who showed up at Rev.
>>> Sergey Chudinovich's church put a bag over his head, took him to
>>> the police station, then made him an offer.
>>>
>>> Let us distribute aid at your church, they said, which is located
>>> in Russian-occupied Kherson in the south of Ukraine. Or make a
>>> video telling residents to accept Russian aid.
>>
>> The Westerners are accustomed to associate "charity" with "church".
>> But in the present Ukraine-related events church means little.
-- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> The
>> Russia's humanitarian aid in the areas like Kherson is distributed
>> without any links to any religion. It would be silly to believe a
>> priest in "a video telling residents to accept Russian aid" might
>> be so important. The one more WSJ article is just one more nonsense
>> intended for ignorant readers who have no idea about real life.
>
> No, troll.
>
> The key point you snipped:
> â?oTheyâ?Tve tried to find those who have power and authority among the
> local peopleâ?"who are able to be leaders of resistance,â? said Archbishop
> Evstratiy of Chernihiv, a spokesman for the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.
> â?oClergy of the Ukrainian church, unfortunately, are in the first row.â?

The emphasized above.

This is China-related newsgroup, and with your
unhealthy obsession with Russia you dumb American
morons are jamming ontopic talks.

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:54:51 AM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> bmoore, <news:dc4212f8-acd8-403b...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> >>> Ukrainian Clergy Say Russian Occupiers Target Them With Threats,
> >>> Violence
> >>> By Ian Lovett, Aug. 13, 2022, WSJ
> >>>
> >>> KROPYVNYTSKIY, Ukraine-The Russian soldiers who showed up at Rev.
> >>> Sergey Chudinovich's church put a bag over his head, took him to
> >>> the police station, then made him an offer.
> >>>
> >>> Let us distribute aid at your church, they said, which is located
> >>> in Russian-occupied Kherson in the south of Ukraine. Or make a
> >>> video telling residents to accept Russian aid.
> >>
> >> The Westerners are accustomed to associate "charity" with "church".
> >> But in the present Ukraine-related events church means little.
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> The
> >> Russia's humanitarian aid in the areas like Kherson is distributed
> >> without any links to any religion. It would be silly to believe a
> >> priest in "a video telling residents to accept Russian aid" might
> >> be so important. The one more WSJ article is just one more nonsense
> >> intended for ignorant readers who have no idea about real life.
> >
> > No, troll.
> >
> > The key point you snipped:
> > â?oTheyâ?Tve tried to find those who have power and authority among the
> > local peopleâ?"who are able to be leaders of resistance,â?ť said Archbishop
> > Evstratiy of Chernihiv, a spokesman for the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.
> > â?oClergy of the Ukrainian church, unfortunately, are in the first row.â?ť
>
> The emphasized above.
>
> This is China-related newsgroup, and with your
> unhealthy obsession with Russia you dumb American
> morons are jamming ontopic talks.

Nothing about China in any of the words you used above, just Russia, Ukraine,.

Don't lie.

bmoore, <news:8af85478-b9df-45fb-8680-5d013c6ca010n@googlegroups.com>
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:54:51 AM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>> bmoore, <news:dc4212f8-acd8-403b...@googlegroups.com>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:41:51 PM UTC-7, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>>>>> Ukrainian Clergy Say Russian Occupiers Target Them With Threats,
>>>>> Violence
>>>>> By Ian Lovett, Aug. 13, 2022, WSJ
>>>>>
>>>>> KROPYVNYTSKIY, Ukraine-The Russian soldiers who showed up at Rev.
>>>>> Sergey Chudinovich's church put a bag over his head, took him to
>>>>> the police station, then made him an offer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us distribute aid at your church, they said, which is located
>>>>> in Russian-occupied Kherson in the south of Ukraine. Or make a
>>>>> video telling residents to accept Russian aid.
>>>>
>>>> The Westerners are accustomed to associate "charity" with "church".
>>>> But in the present Ukraine-related events church means little.
>> -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> The
>>>> Russia's humanitarian aid in the areas like Kherson is distributed
>>>> without any links to any religion. It would be silly to believe a
>>>> priest in "a video telling residents to accept Russian aid" might
>>>> be so important. The one more WSJ article is just one more nonsense
>>>> intended for ignorant readers who have no idea about real life.
>>>
>>> No, troll.
>>>
>>> The key point you snipped:
>>> â?oTheyâ?Tve tried to find those who have power and authority among the
>>> local peopleâ?"who are able to be leaders of resistance,â?t said
>>> Archbishop
>>> Evstratiy of Chernihiv, a spokesman for the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.
>>> â?oClergy of the Ukrainian church, unfortunately, are in the first row.â?t
>>
>> The emphasized above.
>>
>> This is China-related newsgroup, and with your
>> unhealthy obsession with Russia you dumb American
>> morons are jamming ontopic talks.
>
> Nothing about China in any of the words you used above, just Russia,
> Ukraine,.
>
> Don't lie.

The best you can do is to kill your worthless self.

It would improve environment and help solve the food shortage problem.

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 5:41:51 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > Ukrainian Clergy Say Russian Occupiers Target Them With Threats,
> > Violence
> > By Ian Lovett, Aug. 13, 2022, WSJ
> >
> > KROPYVNYTSKIY, Ukraine-The Russian soldiers who showed up at Rev.
> > Sergey Chudinovich's church put a bag over his head, took him to
> > the police station, then made him an offer.
> >
> > Let us distribute aid at your church, they said, which is located
> > in Russian-occupied Kherson in the south of Ukraine. Or make a
> > video telling residents to accept Russian aid.
> The Westerners are accustomed to associate "charity" with "church".
> But in the present Ukraine-related events church means little. The
> Russia's humanitarian aid in the areas like Kherson is distributed
> without any links to any religion. It would be silly to believe a
> priest in "a video telling residents to accept Russian aid" might
> be so important. The one more WSJ article is just one more nonsense
> intended for ignorant readers who have no idea about real life.
>

> <https://youtu.be/uALWy67oXTI> bonus link

Ukrainian government is under fire with the recent Amnesty International
report.
"Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians

Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm’s way by establishing bases and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in February, Amnesty International said today.

Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure.

“We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas,” said Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International’s Secretary General.

“Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from respecting international humanitarian law.”"
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

ltlee1, <news:bd546cb5-b36f-4366-b9a0-0a26b83b4b44n@googlegroups.com>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 5:41:51 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

> Ukrainian government is under fire with the recent Amnesty International
> report.
>
> "Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians
>
> Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm's way by establishing bases
> and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in
> schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in
> February, Amnesty International said today.
>
> Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians,
> as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian
> strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian
> infrastructure.
>
> "We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk
> and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas," said
> Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International's Secretary General.
>
> "Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from
> respecting international humanitarian law.""
> https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

After this report, the Amnesty was heavily pressured, and after few
days of such pressure it said it has submitted it to some "independent
experts" for review. The AI is basically a pro-Western organization,
although they seek to look universal and above everything, but they
aren't really so. They still make things less primitive, nevertheless.

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 4:31:57 AM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> ltlee1, <news:bd546cb5-b36f-4366...@googlegroups.com>
> > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 5:41:51 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
> > Ukrainian government is under fire with the recent Amnesty International
> > report.
> >
> > "Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians
> >
> > Ukrainian forces have put civilians in harm's way by establishing bases
> > and operating weapons systems in populated residential areas, including in
> > schools and hospitals, as they repelled the Russian invasion that began in
> > February, Amnesty International said today.
> >
> > Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians,
> > as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian
> > strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > "We have documented a pattern of Ukrainian forces putting civilians at risk
> > and violating the laws of war when they operate in populated areas," said
> > Agnès Callamard, Amnesty International's Secretary General.
> >
> > "Being in a defensive position does not exempt the Ukrainian military from
> > respecting international humanitarian law.""
> > https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
> After this report, the Amnesty was heavily pressured, and after few
> days of such pressure it said it has submitted it to some "independent
> experts" for review. The AI is basically a pro-Western organization,
> although they seek to look universal and above everything, but they
> aren't really so. They still make things less primitive, nevertheless.

AI is basically a "some people had said ..." but influential reporting Western organization.
In the case of Ukraine, the report is a "some people who AI trusted had said..."
Implication: Some, presumably influential people were not pleased by the Zelenskyy
government's action.